India: caste, gotra, brahmins, kings and culture

Old Brahma used to have four heads. Previously he had five heads but he was talking against Shiva so one head was cut off. And I think because Brahma had four heads only four Varnas are there: Brahma, Kshatri, Vaishia, Shudra. But now Hanuman is Brahma, he has five heads, so the fifth Varna will come. And I observe all over the world that there was one Varna almost killed by Europeans – that is red Indians from America. So maybe they will come to surface, their number will increase and they will be the dominating force in times to come. Five Varnas we’ll definitely have after some time. Whatever Mother Earth will decide – will happen.

Most of the native Americans were killed. I have a book sent to me by one of my disciples – “Five Hundred Nations” – in which a very extensive study on native Indians is given. There were more than five hundred tribes. Systematically they were all finished by Europeans. But some still exist, they are still surviving.

Holy Place Priest Story I feel it is appropriate to share an anecdote. Whatever maybe the reason for it, but most people believe that Hindu priests cheat and loot general public. but my experience is somewhat different. After seeing Anandmayi Maa we stayed in Vrindavan for one day. The next day we left for Vrindavan's darshan early in the morning. We met a very old Pandit ji (Priest). He said come children, I will take you to different places. He took us on foot. He showed us places in Vrindavan for four to five hours. almost all famous places, around Bihariji and far away, on the banks

of the Jamuna and Gyan Gudri, we walked everywhere with him. He made us do Pranam etc. and he did not do any such setting. But one incident became very memorable. It was summertime around 12:30, in July. The sky was clear without clouds. Darshans of holy places had been done. We returned to our hotel. Pandit Ji said, brother, now you Go home. I will go to my home. If you want to give something to me then give. And I'll leave The same doctor who asked very smart question to Anandmayi Maa, I thank him that because of him, we experienced this

Got grace of Anandmayi Maa too. He was a catalyst in both. With a sarcastic smile, he took 1.25 Rupees out of his pocket and gave it to them. He was thinking that Pandit ji would create a nuisance and ask for more money. But Pandit ji put it on his forehead and kept it in his pocket and left.So the doctor felt very embarrassed. He showed us places on foot for four to five hours, but still he is happy and leaving with just 1.25 rupees He went behind him with a 20 rupee note and tried to give it to him. But Pandit ji refused. He said " You gave it. I took it. Thakur ji (God Krishna) has done our work today. Now you go your home and I'll go my home." I do pranaam to that Pandit ji. He was so santoshi (contended) and so nishchal (guileless). I have met very less people like him. So we should always respect such people.

If we Hindus will not respect our pilgrimage priests So who will ? They are our people, we need to support them. This is all there is to it.

Guruji These days a lot of talk is being going on this chaupai - "Dhol gawar Shudra Pashu Nari ...". What are your views on it? "Dhol Gawar Shudra Pashu Nari, Sakal Taadna ke adhikari " This has been spoken by Samudra in Ramcharitmanas by Swami Tulsidas Today we are living in a democratic times. Goswami ji had the monarchy times of Treta Yug in his mind, the social conditions of those times. In that background the characters spoke their dialogues At that time no one had equal rights. Today we are living in democratic times in such social conditions with everyone being equal in front of the law

And the right and ease of living life, everyone has it. In today's perspective, no matter how intellectual we become The social conditions of monarchy times of Treta Yuga are almost impossible to imagine. In democracy times we are being so outspoken. In monarchy times no one had the guts to say anything. So the social condition and mental state of those times cannot even be imagined in current times

SOCIETY IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL WOMAN

what yoga Vivekananda was practicing?

Guruji: nothing. I’ve never come across any reference he was practicing yoga. We assume that he must be practicing yoga. But there is no records. That doesn’t mean that he was not great – his greatness is established.

maybe he practiced Kriya yoga?

Guruji: hypothetically we can anything.

Those, who were renouncing society – they were always criticising it. Even though they are depending on food of the society. Society, as I see, is a very beautiful woman: she accordions everybody, feeds everybody – and very forgiving. We need to recognize this also about society. It’s very easy to criticise; but see the good part of it also. Every monk or every those who renounce society and do something depending on society for their existence. So what’s the problem in accepting the greatness of society?

Q: when You achieve samadhi and practicing it: is it like a pleasure in Your life?

Guruji: it is more than pleasure, yes. Not only pleasure.

that’s why – if you spend more time in society, you lose the time of your Samadhi practice?

Guruji: no. Go back to Shiva Sutras: lokananda samadhi sukham: any material pleasure is equal to the pleasure of Samadhi. It’s a very deep thing: you must read Shiva Sutras again.

what does it mean, Guruji?

Guruji: it means that your mind is experiencing the pleasure: so basically there is no difference in pleasure. Very high statement.

so You feel equal when You talk here with us and practicing Samadhi – it’s like equal experience for Yourself?

Guruji: I’m normal in both conditions (smiling) they said normal – and that is also normal. Feelings are different of course.

What I see: communication is very important. I’ve explained it in Gorakhbodh commentary also: when you have a formless thought, then you speak it – you giving it a particular form and that formless thought becomes more conscious, it becomes very clear.

Communication is very important: what we discuss – I talk, I say, thinking loudly; we’re not talking – we’re thinking loudly, sharing our thoughts. Society is a very good thing. You must learn to respect it and to deal with it, carefully. When a person is thinking of renouncing the world, he leaves his family and goes somewhere, becoming a monk or join the convent or something; he was not suffering from the society in general – he was only suffering from the behaviour of his own family and relatives – or maybe some business partner. That’s the main problem. That’s why everybody live in the family.

so `your advice is to concentrate more in useful qualities not on useless – of society?

Guruji: I mean you have to be enough respectful for it and also treat it with respect – that’s it.

because they can disturb my practice and move my mind away

Guruji: let it move away: we’re not teaching you to calm down your mind. We’re just telling you to keep practicing. Mind will care of itself – when you will develop it. Very simple example: you see a trained athlete: their body movements will be almost zero, when they sitting quite. And look a person, who has never trained in his life: he is always moving, useless motions. That means: when the mind is not developed – it is running always here and there. When it reaches a certain level of development – it is calm and quiet, ready for action. Even to calm down your body they’re talking about calming down your mind.

Vishvwakarmans gotra are like a potters here.

gotras also can be higher or lower?

Guruji: brahmins are considered as the highest caste: they are maybe 2% or 2,5% of the whole population. There are so big variety in brahmins and kshatriyas also; vaishyas are much big in number, they are much more.

and mlechchhas?

Guruji: every westerner is called mlechchha. Every foreigner is considered as mlechchha because they don’t have caste or gotra.

who is considered as outcast?

Guruji: outcast is the very serious thing: it means the caste rejects him – he cannot marry the girl of this caste, sit with them or eat with them. That is considered as greatest insult for him.

how the brahmins came into be?

Guruji: as the books say – the brahmins are the descendants of the different rishis, who came from Brahma himself. Many kshatriyas are also from brahmin’s gotras, they are also offspring of brahmarishis.

and who is considered as founder of vaishyas gotras?

Guruji: those who was born from the thighs or stomach of the creator.

You’re listening to the name and you understand what type of DNA and genetics this person is carrying. Then it became social mark.

nowadays everyone mix with each other and system of gotras is broken – what do You think?

Guruji: very different race will come. I think races are already coming together; in the time of globalization every country and every specie is coming together. Girls are playing bog role in it. They are roaming everywhere, find some romance and then different children take birth- so the new type of race will come.

how it will reflect on the rishis, who was the first?

Guruji: the vedic times is over; now it’s democracy and legally everyone is the same. Yogis from the beginning was not discriminating the people by caste or name. only sincere seekers are welcome. As you will read in Mahabharata, Upamanyu rishi story: when his tapas was been tested by Shiva in the form of Indra – there is a very good argument. Upamanyu rishi is saying: nobody is taking birth with the mace or chakra or conch shell or something like that – but everybody is taking birth with the sign of Shiva – lingam or the sign of Adi Shakti – yoni. So the all creation belongs to Shiva and Shakti. You have to agree with this.

so the whole caste system is artificial?

Guruji: no, it ruled the world for millions of years, the vedic time was ruling. As I see: there was no collective identity before. Either you’re a brahmin or a kshatriya or a Vaishya or a shudra or a slave. First Alexandr in his invasion first create the name “hindu”. Now hindu is the collective identity of all of people. I’m a brahmin, but I’m hindu. I can say – I’m hindu and it’s ok, I’m not going into details, gotra and all these things; all the castes – they are all hindus. This collective identity was very much needed. Thanks to Alexandr’s invasion we have it now.

in Bhagavad Gita it is said that castes were coming from the different parts of Purusha?

Guruji: that is yoga book, it is beyond all castes. I just told you – brahmins came from the head, kshatriyas from the arms, vaishyas from the stomach or thighs and from the feet the last caste came.

is it easier to overcome the mix genetics than to overcome the pure one?

Guruji: Gita is saying even if varnasankar will practice yoga – he will achieve. Yogis don’t discriminate. But it is not easy for anybody. But it’s the touchy topic for most of the Indians – they will take the defensive arguments. Among my disciples I have the people from every caste. And here is no discrimination: you even doesn’t know, to which caste they are belong.

even 30 or 50 years before nobody would even talk to us, so now it’s the great changes

Guruji: thanks to Shrila Prabhupada – he did his part in bringing the races together. He bring the different races together – you cannot ignore this fact. Most of his Babas, going to the west are doing exactly the same thing – bringing the races together.

what about last rituals: if everyone will mix – what will stay finally?

Guruji: most of the religions came into be in the time of monarchy; so we don’t know which type of order will come in the time of democracy. As I see – yoga is becoming very popular, which is the very good thing. This is the most democratic thing.

what do You think – cremation will be the best?

Guruji: well, so many dead bodies were buried during thousands of years – it will be more clean; for cremation not much land is required. Now with the modern technologies even not much wood will required. If it were no cremation before – why in bible it is said: ashes to ashes, dust to dust? It means the ashes were there. the life is carbon based and your ashes is very near to carbon – so it’s most scientific way.

ORIGIN OF SWEEPERS AND CHANDALAS (UNTOUCHABLES)

I had just understood this; when humanity was created – and it’s the nature of humanity, wherever they live – the land becomes full of shit and all garbage starts to unveil. The bad smell begins to reach heaven - and all the gods get so disturbed and so they go to the Creator– what have you done, sir? Save us! Then they went to Vishnu – he said I can’t do anything, go to Shiva! Shiva heard them and then ordered two of his main ganas – Chandibhairav and Bhringin. Chandibhairav said, ok, I will send my descendants – but they will remain away from society, only in a smashan – because we cannot leave Your place. So those, who came from Chandabhairav, are chandalas, who live in a smashan.

And from Bhringin – all the bhangis, now are called “bhangis” – the sweeper cast; they came and also Shiva said: that you will be considered the most supreme, you will be better than everybody else; so language came into matter. It is actually “mahattar” – better, like Mother, who cleans the shit of all her children, those who are human beings. So “bhangi” and “mahattar” are the names – their origin is from Bhringin. He is one of the chief ganas of Shiva. That’s how it started.

Bhimnath belonged to the Sapera community, who emerged out of the kalbeliya tribe of Rajasthan; the very word “kalbeliya” referred to one who catches kal, (black) things, snakes. The villagers often called the Sapera the Jogis (a term which commonly defined a holy man rather than a practitioner of yoga) for their ability to tame the revered snakes, thought to be divine incarnations, the Naga, offsprings of Vasuki, who is curled around Mahadev’s neck.

The Sapera consider Kanif Nath, or Kanhoba, their Guru by the sapera – they do not practice yoga. However, in some neighboring states they are still called the Sapera Naths. Yogis or not, these people are still carrying parts and bits of ancient knowledge- and some of the things he heard from Bhimnath were straight out of the great Matsiendranath’s teachings; but he realized it much later…

Kanif nath, as the story goes, once attended a big feast, arranged by another immortal yogi, Gorakhnath; they were in competition with each other. Goraksha said, “Whatever you desire to eat, will be served.” Kaneethanath demanded snakes and scorpions – just out of spite, to demonstrate his powers. Gorakhnath was quite repelled by this attitude, “All your descendants will be snake charmers. Over the centuries, the Sapera lives evolved around snakes, medicines and healing. Snake charming was not a mere occupation for them but a way of life.

Some of them still lived as nomads, some settled down; there were 8 or 9 villages around Govardhan and their inhabitants made a living playing at the weddings as well as removing poisonous reptiles from houses, when called by the villagers.

…Bhimnath arrived, but the snake already escaped. When he heard about its tiger-like skin pattern, he was as surprised as they were and eager to get the guest for his collection.

He was usually catching snakes in the rainy season and travelled all over the country to get new species. When the snake is brought home a special Pooja is performed in which the catcher vows to release the reptile somewhere by the Ganges or in Rishikesh on an appointed date, usually in a year. The contract is never breached – because of the ancient laws and undesirable consequences …

The snakes are often treated like guests, fed and kept warm; in summer they are sprayed with water to keep them cool.

In winter snakes were taken to bed with their temporary masters – to keep them warm.

…The next morning Bhimnath came with his younger brother – and went to work right away: they threw salt in all directions, while saying some mantra, then Bhimnath began to play his special flute, been pungi, putting it very close to the ground. That is how a flute’s sound traveled – along the ground, creating a vibration, which attracts the snakes.

Theirs was a very ancient art. Centuries, thousands of years old. To play a beem pungi the Sapera use a special type of breath, mastered after a long training, and preserved as a tradition of the tribe. It is called a Nakosanse, (uninterrupted breath) – while inhaling for the fresh sip of air, a musician continues to play, uninterruptedly, for hours and hours without a break. The flow of the breath lasts, and such pranayama seems to be nothing less than a yogic skill, which could come only from the Nath yogis…

…They played no longer than 10 minutes – and suddenly a serpent appeared, moving so fast that it was impossible to see it’s movement – as if a wave, a lightning came alive.

It was not a “tiger tail”, but some type of cobra, with moustaches, as they determined later. Thin, bristle-like, snake’s green-grayish mustaches” were stranding vertically like antennas; The Saperas believed that the cobras were growing such moustaches after 250 years.

And after 500 years some of them could fly – not by the power of wings which they do not possess, but, perhaps on the fuel of their concentrated venom and mental force. If such a flying snake would pass over someone’s head – the person will become paralyzed. After 1000 years, according to the snake charmers, the snakes could shift their shapes, taking any form at will – of a human, animal or inanimate object…

Bhimnath had many stories, but to hear the fairy tales was different from watching him at work…

…The snake moved with a great speed, but Bhimnath reacted swiftly and caught it, taking hold of it’s long furiously wiggling body; at this moment the serpent bit him on the thumb. Ignoring the wound, he put a snake in a cloth bag, tying it tightly – and then turned yellow and started to shake.

Nobody knew what to do, he and Devahuti were wondering which hospital to call, what doctor to seek – but Bhimhath confidently said, “Calm down, I will remove the poison. I know the vidya.” He asked Devahuti to cut his thumb, to draw forth blood.

She did – to no avail. Then she made a deeper incision, maybe half a centimeter deeper, and a few drops of blood came out.

Bhimnath put something which looked as a piece of hard black resin on the wound.

They learned later that it was a toadstone, naturally formed antidote, found in the heads of the bullfrogs. Some of the snake catchers carried a nagmani – a “stone” from the snake’s head – a substance, believed to be even more effective.

He asked for some neem leaves, and they were brought immediately. He spoke words of his mantra and moved the neem leaf downwards his hand, extracting the poison.

Then the neem leaves were tied into a knot and put away. The poison was gone, somehow extracted, absorbed by the leaves. He asked for some ghee, maybe 50 or 100 grams, and drank it, to subside the heat of the poison.

It was a moment of realization: all philosophical statements and slogans will disappear in the face of the mortal danger. If he would've told the snake catcher, “you are not the body, you are an immortal spirit”, Bhimnath would have been dead. Such knowledge was useless and impractical in the matters of life and death. But his art, his vidya, the knowledge, passed from the generations of his ancestors, saved himself.

He also realized the meaning of the Sanskrit sutra from Vishnu Puranas, “Sa Vidya, ya vimuktaye..” – “the Vidya, the knowledge, is what liberates”.

Most of the time it’s meaning was perceived as the knowledge, which liberates from life and birth, but it was actually speaking of the liberation from the problem which one is facing. Such knowledge was granting freedom from the problems. The great liberation would come, if at all, at the later stages… The ancients were highly practical people.

but what do you think if some person consider himself superior only by birth – without any achievement and tapas?

Guruji: I will say it’s false ego.

Most of the religions came from that area – India and Middle East also. The whole area was India once upon a time, from the peaks of Himalaya to the shores of the ocean. It covers all India, Europe and Africa, Middle East and Asia. Great civilization has ended and now another is developing. Now we’re waiting for globalization.

what will happen with these religions in future?

Guruji: now the humanity will rule. And I hope humans will become more tolerant about each other and they will also respect each other’s privacy and divinity. That is what is needed. Kings were always superior, public was nothing; and jesus was also talking about democracy in bible.

Blessed are meek, for they shall inherit the kingdom of Earth. He was not saying, that warriors and kings shall inherit the kingdom of Earth. Meek people – the normal common people, those, who are not warriors – now they are ruling the kingdom of Earth – they have enough power to choose their leaders.

Let the ten generations pass and you will see the real thing. Shadow of the kings are in our minds – recently they were there. Let some more time pass, then maybe something will happen.

but with globalization the purity of blood will be lose?

Guruji: I think four races will intermix and the fifth race will come finally. Already so much intermixing is taking place.

what do you think about curse of Durvasa rishi to Krishna’s clan?

Guruji: I think this curse still following them. Because of this curse judes suffering for a very long time. First they became slaves – and you can imagine how to be a slave in pharao’s time. Then Moses takes them away – they were suffer continuously, then they were attacking so many times; then Christianity came and they suffer till the second world war – nobody knows when it was going to end. Maybe they started the process of globalization. Christianity is also worshipping a jude – jesus Christ was a jude; and Christianity also spread all over the world. We should link so many different instances, which have happen in history- then a very different picture will appear.

but in comments in Bhagavad Gita you’re talking about four varnas?

Guruji: you see, without races coming together they can be no mix up. Nowadays we see the races are coming together – much more then they used to be before.

but in Gita it is said that varnas should not be mixed?

Guruji: that is a technical term there; varna means colur and varnasankar means – who is not biological son of his legal father, illegal child. It’s a different thing. I’m the first person who have analyzed this in the point of view of anthropology.

and what will be after all races were mixed?

Guruji: one race, one language, one planet, no political borders – the Earth will be ours. Blessed are meek for they shall inherit the kingdom of Earth – he was talking about whole Earth, not a particular nation.

how it is possible to choose shudra for the Brahmin?

Guruji: I think it’s already happen in many cases even in India. Now even among orthodoxical judes the new generation is coming.

what is the difference between adami and manushya?

Guruji: those, who were born from Adam are called adami and those who were born from Manu called Manushya. Only Christians and middle east people are called adami – this word is from middle east.

but if the person were not baptized – he is manushya?

Guruji: all the judes are adami. The real adami are judes. Manushya is the different thing, they never leave the Eden garden. The story of Manu begins from Swayambhu Manu; before him it was big creation, which died in the flood – only he survived. Even in English language the word “man” is very similar to Manu; so maybe they are from Manu. Man and manushya are very similar. Only judes are adami.

now India has a very big population – You think it is good?

Guruji: remember, this is the time of democracy – we will increase our population to be in power. We have found the very different way to achieve power. Most of the population in white race is going down – maybe they are taking birth in India.

to be born here you must have good karma in past life?

Guruji: we don’t know, maybe bad also. It’s combination of so many things. The national aura is different and the power of the land is different.

Mmmm yes, I love my grandma…

Guruji: … but not that much (laughing) I love them so much – but not to the level to change their nappies. (laughing)

But did I do a good deed for them?

Guruji: Definitely.

Because the culture is different…

Guruji: You see, culture is a temporary thing; it rules for a few centuries rather than changing. What is culture? It keeps on changing. And you’ll find cultures in the laboratory when they breed the viruses cultures. That is us: somebody is creating cultures.

YOUR KULA AND KULA DEVATA

for white people protection comes only from the Guru because they have no Kula devata?

Guruji: because they don’t know about their roots: that has to be some Kula devata!

You think so?

Guruji: it is always there! You can discover it.

when Atit Ghat will take place?

Guruji: oh, much before that! Atit Ghat is too higher thing.

could it be that we feel attachment to some deity – but Kula devata will be discovered as completely other one?

Guruji: attachment is the very different thing. And our discovery of the own roots is different thing. It is just knowledge – that yes, we belong to this clan.

I remember You told once that one of Your disciples from America has Bhairav as Kula devata: it was his discovery?

Guruji: no, we discovered that. Out of curiosity.

but because of the Soviet Union we now can enquire about grand-grand parents but no more than that, mostly the roots are lost?

Guruji: it is better this way: you can look up towards the future instead of always looking to the past.

why in Gita it is said that even women could reach samadhi: they need more efforts to reach samadhi?

Guruji: they were discussing at the almost end of the vedic era: in vedic times social situation was very different. Yogis were always considering everybody as absolute equal; but not in vedic times. Krishna played a big role in ending of the vedic times, so he had to discuss that language.

some of Your disciples – do they have Kali Ma as Kula devi?

Guruji: yes, Shandilya gotra and Shrivatsa gotra – they have Kali as Kula deity.

they have some difference in appearance or character?

Guruji: they are more quiet people, yes. Face expressions are different, body structure is different.

who are more aggressive by nature?

Guruji: Bharadwaj: they memory is always there. If someone has wronged your great grand-grandfather the story will continue in them, they will never forgive. Even in our family we were hearing so many stories.

they were inimical with Drupad clan?

Guruji: no, they were gone already, Ashwatthaman made it sure.

what do You think about of the story of King Vikramaditya?

Guruji: well, it was the great lesson: when you’re always like a king – you separate from the grassroots level and you think that everything is only for your own benefit and service. If king is s separated – he cannot look for his public and people. That’s why democracy came.

that clans, which comes from Bhrigu or Kratu rishis – that, who was beaten on Daksha yagya – they are still exist?

Guruji: some Bhargava rishis are still here, yes. They behavior is different; some of them are very prosperous. There are no marriages between other brahmins clans and them. They remain a sort of separate.

why Bhrigu was against Shiva?

Guruji: power game. All descendants are here. The whole India is like a time capsule.

gotra of rishi Atri also exists?

Guruji: Atri gotra is there, Dattatreya gotra is there. Usually Kashmiri brahmins are these gotras. Vashishtha gotra is there, Vishwamitra – Kaushiki gotra is there, Shandilya gotra is there – there are many.

nambudiri brahmins have gotra also?

Guruji: nambudiri – we don’t know exactly; but Bharadwaj gotra is very powerful in south India. They are respected more and most of the priests in temples belongs to this gotra.

Kshatriyas has gotras?

Guruji: original Kshatriyas has the same gotras as brahmins. But original Kshatriyas are very few in number now.

why they are very less in number now?

Guruji: because most of them are offsprings of rishis; original brahmins created them – so that gotras continues. Some rishis were their kula gurus – so they take their gotras. They are very rare now.

Some are belongs to clan of Ravana; they are good people and highly respected.

amazing that almost everyone knows their lineage?

Guruji: that’s why caste system is so deep in India.

BHARATPUR KING

Here the last KING of Bharatpur was cremated. Maharaja Brijendra Singh.

He Was a great Man, and his two Queens.

So I think, we will never see this kind again!

So I thought I live in the ancient property, even though now it is mine, so it is our way of paying them respect. So we’re done this! I think they are happy!

They went inside Rolls-Royce Show-room.

And he asked - how much this car cost?

And the manager there asked - will You able to afford it?

He give him a blank check, and said:

all your stock sent to my state! There hardly five-six cars available, they were make the order.

And he gave them to his cleaners.

Take garbage in this cars! How daily asked me. Can I afford it?

It’s a very famous incident!

Then they give a very thin apology! And then they ask to give Him a car! He said: no, my sweepers used it, how can I use it?

THOSE, WHO WERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO GO TO THE EXTREMES

what do You think about Indians lived in both Americas before white comes?

Guruji: their skin color is the same; they were brahmins of our earth. They were highly spiritual beings. Australians also were brahmins and has the same skin color. Their tribes are very spiritual.

it’s common opinion that the vedic time was only vegetarian?

Guruji: no – because they were eating so much animals the vedic era is over.

Krishna started the vegetarian movement?

Guruji: I think it was started when Shankar beaten all vedic gods – then climax came with Krishna himself. In Govardhan – that’s why Govardhan is the only place; ego of king of the gods – Indra – was removed. And the ego of creator was also removed: their both – Brahma and Indra. It’s absolutely new thing.

why Shiv jI himself not invented vegetarianism after Daksha yagya?

Guruji: but all yogis was already vegetarians. He didn’t say anything – but everybody begin to follow.

OVERCOME BASIC INSTINCT

Brahmin women should pronounce Shivaya Namaha for 5000 times to overcome their womanhood; for what? And Kshatriya must say it for 10000 times – only then they can attain liberation?

Guruji: if we analyze that – Kshatriya is a warrior, killer: whole life they were train to kill or to be killed. They have to overcome this instinct: to become a Brahmin means you will begin to steady your mind, begin to control what you develop; and maybe overcoming womanhood is to stop reproduction and stop to bringing spirits into this world, which is their basic instincts: if they overcome that – maybe they become much more nearer to their own spirit, which is already in the flesh and blood; - it could be that, but nothing is written in detail. Brahmins considered as superior because they are “brahmins” – always trying to know and to develop their mind and consciousness and the spirit. Kshatriya is always training for the war – to kill or to be killed; Vaishya is always thinking in profit and loans. You have to overcome all that basic instincts from your genetics: then only you maybe becoming aware of the spirit inside and infinite possibilities of your mind and consciousness. You need to overcome that.

SNAK CHARMERS

how You have met the snake charmers for the first time? How You began to communicate?

Guruji: he came first – just to see me because I became very famous by living here. Then we called him for some snakes. Then I asked him some things to bring, which he did – so we became friends. When he asked some water pump for his tribe – we always help them. like he came for help for marriage of his daughter; in any emergency they can come and ask: we always try to help.

they are like the descendants of Kanipha Nath?

Guruji: they are Kanipha Nath’s lineage. And they look at the kundals – and they are respectful. This is called “mudra” in Nath lore; and only hardcore yogis wear it – rhinoceros horn: the person who lives in smashan will wear them: they know these things. So they take a look at me – and they are respectful. He told me: see, Guruji! Nobody is possessing the Guru and Guru doesn’t belong to one: he belongs to everyone. Then he will start to talk. They have grassroots level wisdom. Always discussing philosophy is not good for mental health. They are knowers of mantras – all mantric powers and technics to catch a cobra.

they also have the discipline from Guru to disciple?

Guruji: yes, they all have Guru.

what is the language they use in these mantras?

Guruji: simple Hindi. Same mantra – even in Bengal.

VOID IS PERFORMER; TIME IS CONDUCTOR; MATTER IS DANCER

You know all Your genetic records?

Guruji: because these records keepers are there – it’s only in India. All western people can say that we belong to Kashyap gotra.

can You know Your ancestors?

Guruji: it’s a very big crowd – your family ancestors, their ancestors – it will be a very big crowd. That’s why we say – don’t go too far for that, subtract your past.

but we must know from where we appear, from whom?

Guruji: it’s not so much needed. If physically you’re good and your mind is extraordinary – it means you belong to a good lineage. Stop worry! In the practice the old memories will come.

PURE BRAHMIN

how long a battle in Ramayana continued?

Guruji: maybe about a month or so. There were only two human beings involved in this war – Rama and Lakshamana, all others were demigods and rakshasas; and they both survived.

and in Mahabharata there were mostly human beings?

Guruji: Kshatriyas; only one Brahmin was there – Dronacharya.

can we say that most of the brahmins were killed in Ramayana and most of the Kshatriyas – in Mahabharata?

Guruji: no, the population of brahmins were never much. Even today the population of brahmins are 2% of hindus. Brahmins were always less.

how Brahmin looks like?

Guruji: like me

I’ve never see a person looking like you

Guruji: but I’m pure Brahmin.

Actually, the main problem nowadays – people see only pujaris and priests and think brahmins must be look like them. But brahmins were the great warriors, they were commanding all the weapons and they were defeating Kshatriyas most of the time. It was like a clash of supremacy. Take Parashuram or Vashishtha for instance, Dronacharya, Ashwatthaman – they were great warriors and masters of the all weapons.

but pujaris and priests are also brahmins? How they lose all that great knowledge?

Guruji: I will say that most of the brahmins are highly educated and occupying very high government positions; they are professors and big officers in army, even in Bollywood some of them made a big name for themselves. I’m a Brahmin and I’m not ashamed of it. And I’m not arrogant also about this fact. How should a Brahmin look? Like me. They have special genetics, special DNA. Brahmins were created from the head of the creator, Kshatriyas were created from the arms of the creator, vaishyas – from the belly and shudras – from the legs. From the beginning they were always small in number. When it’s too many Kshatriyas, too many wars – the earth suffers. When the Kshatriyas are gone – the earth survives again. Nowadays there is a fight for the territory for business supremacy, it’s different motive now.

but it is very bad situation now?

Guruji: it will also change with the matter of time.

from that point of view, from where all non-indians appear?

Guruji: Kashyapa rishi is the main man. It is usually said that they belongs to mlecchas, but on my observation – white race are Kshatriyas.

and to become a Brahmin it must be some special position of stars?

Guruji: no need, because yoga is open for everybody.

but brahmins were born only in certain constellations or nakshatras?

Guruji: no, in a special lineage – only genetics of the family. Only by birth person can be Brahmin; in astrology it simply describes nature of the person. You see, high and low is not a point here; I’m a yogi – and according to yoga anyone, who is genuine seeker – he can self- realized. It was just social structure.

for what all that systems like advayta appear, if they are false?

Guruji: most of such systems appeared in the dark period of history, remember that. They maintain the discussion of the subject. It is human nature – to worship the past. Keep worshipping – I’m no problem.

Shankaracharya was wrong?

Guruji: as you mention this name I would like to ask you direct question: are you a door to hell? Shankaracharya stated, that the woman is the door to hell. If you believe in him – you will have to accept this statement also.

I will research on that

Guruji: instead of research – search, and you will find. If the woman is the door to hell – so let’s go to hell(laughing)

when you read between the lines – you see the hidden problems of the writer?

Guruji: yes, the way of presentation will always show.

it exists many women in advayta sampradaya

Guruji: where? I would like to know that. He started different branches of sannyasa only for men.

but who started it for women?

Guruji: maybe women started it on their own. Shankaracharya died in the age of 32. Thy Earth is more than 4 billion years old. But he simply said – it is all illusion. How can the 32-yeared old person declared that the 4-billion yeared being is just illusion? Enlighten – or maybe endarkened , this is the better word. Too many enlighten people are walking around nowadays.

DIGINITY

Beauty of India is DIGNITY!

A naked NAGA-SADHU looked more dignified, than a person wearing three piece business suit.

So divinity is everywhere! Even if you are

going naked here, You will continue

to appear dignified.

Even in clothes, without clothes - you will remain

a HINDU.

No problem.

MULTIPLE CULTURE OF INDIA

In ancient times that were about 562 kingdoms in India – the separation was on 562 pieces. When Islamic invasion then britishers came – they united some kingdoms. But even different kingdoms were worshipping the same gods. In this part of India so many invaders came and the culture is very mixed – but even then the roots are same. In south India culture remained more or less unharmed. There are many stories of great warriors there. They are very cultured people, very devotional. Even in south India there are many different languages – kannada, telugu, tamil and others. Even then – all are hindus. I think more than 5000 dialects are spoken in India. I visited south India maybe in 1997; and every temple – maybe because I’m wearing rudraksha and long hairs – people bow down to me. Wherever we were stopped for coffee or some snack – crowd gathered around me. And the feeling of devotion was overwhelming there. Kanyakumari, Rameshwaram, Hyderabad, Chennai, Madurai temple, Kalahasti; - we travelled by road and landscapes are fantastic. The temples are amazing. In Rameshwaram it’s the biggest corridor: more than 1 km long. South India is beautiful.

but too much mosquitos

Guruji: they also have rights to live. In Kalahasti temple very extraordinary thing happen: one man were looking at me and suddenly begin to shout: Har Har Mahadev! – and everyone begin to prostrate in front of me. Then the temple security took me out because it was too much. And you remember the story from Tirupati temple.

You studied to sing?

Guruji: no,never. Over the years – my voice was not that good, I don’t think it’s good now – but he is saying it has some resonance now. Over the years because of all yoga practice something change.

now are so popular the seminars about how women should behave according vedas?

Guruji: if women start to behave like in vedic times – they will have to live topless. Like in Ramayana – they have only the down thing and maybe some flowers – that’s it. But in winter time it will be very difficult. In vedic times it was no cold: it’s not describe anywhere – not in Christianity, Judaism or islam – nowhere cold and ice are described. Maybe the vedic time was tropical time. In no indian book snow is described.

how it happen that Shiva Ош himself gave Parashurama this axe?

Guruji: he was doing the very difficult tapas – and then Shiva appeared and gave him this axe.

so he knew before what will happen after?

Guruji: brahmins in those days were great warriors – they knew everything. Now they are begging and doing rituals – but that time they were knowers of all weapons.

what was the difference between brahmins and Kshatriyas those times?

Guruji: brahmins were not ruling; they observe very difficult things doing tapas in jungle; they doing no business but perfecting different arts. Kshatriyas were ruling and trying to enjoy everything. Brahmins were living very close to nature. Most of the Kshatriyas were exploiting nature. Too many Kshatriyas – too many weapons; you have to mine too much iron and other metals from the earth.

they seems like protecting life from Kshatriyas?

Guruji: it has been written in our history that several times this thing happened. The battle between Vashishtha and king Sudasa; ehen with Vishwamitra, then Parashurama and Kartavirya Arjuna. And the seed of Mahabharata: Drupada has insulted Dronacharya. Again king insulted a Brahmin, who was knower of almighty weapons. Provocation always came from Kshatriya kings.

BREEDING PROGRAM

if someone will try to please some god and after some time his wish will be fulfilled – he will think it’s only by the power of that god?

Guruji: not his wish: because his karmas are also towards to complete it. But you cannot discard: sometime somewhere the luck shines. I think it’s all about finally making money. If you look down to everything- it narrows down to that. All praying are mostly for making money or for having money.

without paying attention to most precious things like life and health?

Guruji: oh, who cares for that

until unless it is there – no one

Guruji: oh yes, only when it is gone. But the whole system is to procreate children: whatever you’re working and saving – you’re going to leave it to your children. Children may do the same thing to their children. The whole society is moving around that single point. I think this is a vicious circle – in a way. Those who don’t have children – they are trying to adopt someone: so they can leave their property to that child or someone. So: it is just a breeding program.

it has some final aim – to have a great breeds or what?

Guruji: it’s a human farm created by some god or someone. Now we are in auto mode: keep on breeding on our own.

what about mixing the races? Is it good for the special breeding program?

Guruji: there are many people, who prefer the pure taste of any drink. Cocktails are not for everybody. Purity they are maintaining.

I’m still wondering – from where Naga baba came?

Guruji: they were created for different lineages. There are Shaiva nagas also and Vaishnava nagas also. They are like guardians: guarding the sadhus, who are doing tapas. Warriors. Among them there are many yogis and many other different people – but they were created for defendant.

but there was ancient system?

Guruji: even now they are ferocious people. All they know how to use swords.

there are some organizations or only Guru and disciple discipline?

Guruji: no, they are very organized. Maybe the richest.

they have no even pockets!

Guruji: but they have bank accounts. They have absolutely different discipline from any other one.

generally people are thinking that Naga babas are Avadhutas?

Guruji: it is said that Avadhut is going naked; but if you will start to go naked – it doesn’t mean you’re Avadhut. But still it requires a lot of courage to go naked in all seasons. Some nagas remain naked – but most of them wear some sort of thing when they are coming into society. Only in Kumbha mela they go naked. And they do incredible things also. We have seen naga sadhu in Ujjain pulling a truck full of wheat with his linga. He walked 100 steps. Their training is very different. When we were going to school – near bus stand there was one naga sadhu living, he was very old. When people pump him to demonstrate – he lifted more than 100 kilos stone with his linga.

why they have such practice?

Guruji: to demonstrate the worldly men are nothing.

they are warriors and guardians for another sadhus?

Guruji: all sadhus. Many musalmans and outsiders were attacking – that’s why they were created. Maybe because of naga sadhus many sadhus were saved from Islamic attacks. There are women naga babas also. They are called nagis and they are also going naked in Kumbha Mela.

"Also, what we call the degradation of Hindu culture is basically uprooting of the vedic culture. Brahmins had become very powerful and corrupt. If a lower-caste person were to hear vedic verses by mistake, they would fill molten lead in his ears. There was no limits to cruelty at that time, however Hindus feel about it today. They have no idea what kind of changes Krishna has brought.

STORY 2

It is a famous story of justice Maharaj of Bharatpur – Jaswant Singh. In his monument we installed Shiva and worshipped. It so happened that one man was visiting his sister in a nearby village in Bharatpur. It was late night and she was made some pies with rice cooked in milk, sweeten. They use to live in earthen home, they were very humble circumstances people. She had cooked that pies, rice and milk and put it in the place in the wall. Brother came late – so she just told him, there is some pies – you just have it and sleep and we will talk tomorrow. It was dark, so the man just found it, drank it in the dark and was found dead in the morning and some symptoms of poisoning were visible on him. if the poison is there – the body usually becomes blue and some other things happen. Most of the villagers were thinking that she had poisoned him for some property or something. She was arrested and the case went up to maharaj Jaswant Singh. He inquired what happened actually. It was told to him, when the empty vessel of that pies was found – many red ants were there inside. And brother drank a lot of the ants along with kheer. The king thought, that simply eating ants will not kill a man, there has to be some reason behind it. Ants are not poisonous, everybody knows that – until unless you’re highly allergic to them. So he ordered that the area in the wall should be dug up. This is not possible that simply by drinking ants with the kheer somebody will die. Some soldiers were sent there and they dig it up; and about 2 meters down – they were just following the ants passage – they found a very poisonous cobra dead and his flesh was mostly eaten by the ants including the bag of poison – only the skeleton were there. Then the king understand, that the ants eat the cobra with all his poison – that’s why they became poisonous and the man drink that pies with the ants in it – that is the cause of his death. He let the sister go free.

like Sherlock Holmes story! Fantastic that ants can eat the poison but not die?

Guruji: scientists are saying that any poison are high protein or high density protein – so normal body cannot tolerate that poison; but ants ae 50 times stronger than normal human being – so they tolerating that. If you will become as strong – according to the ants – you will be the strongest man on the planet. You will be able to lift 50 times your body weight. He was the wise king.

I don’t know anyone alive now from Suryavarsha – some of Chandravarsha are here, but Surya – no.

STORY 3

A new cook was working in the palace; he was extremely talented cook. He told his name and something. The king was sitting for dinner and cook was making puris for him. suddenly king stopped. He looked at the puri – it is fried thing and very appetizing for some people; and he called: bring that cook to me! And the cook appeared afraid what happened. The king asked: who are you? I’m not sure you’re giving your true identity here. To which caste you belong to – tell me now! He was afraid and he said: Sir, I belong to the caste – those, who repair the boots, shoes. But Sir, how you recognize it? And king said – there was a patch of flour, put on the puri to make it whole; only shoemakers do that. No other cook will do that! So he was caught; but the king let him go because he was very good cook. But because you’re told me a lie – we don’t believe in casts and these things, we are different people, but you lie – that’s why we’re asking you to go – with your luck.

amazing logical thinking

Guruji: king is not ordinary person – that is for sure.

also amazing that king didn’t put him to death?

Guruji: yes, it was common those days and he may have done it. Usually they were hanged or shot. Or maybe beheaded also. It’s impossible to imagine, how the king may feel, how he can behave and how much power he can exercise.

maybe like president?

Guruji: presidents are nothing in front of the king.

You told that one puri was fried in a huge amount of ghee?

Guruji: there are two versions of it: some people tell that – one mun of ghee – maybe 40 kgs will be use one time to fry one puri. And some people are saying – 11 kgs of ghee for frying one puri.

that is luxury

Guruji: yes, the real one. Then they replace it and another fresh ghee will come.

what happened with ghee after?

Guruji: maybe it will go for kitchen of army – soldiers were very well fed those days.

SHIVA SATI BHARATA

Q:

what is so special in India, in Bharat, that the art of yoga, alchemy and tantra appeared exactly there? not in other place in the world? Only here these arts are still alive: so what is so special in this land?

Guruji: the India, the Bharat peninsula is considered as representation of Adi Shakti; and you’ll agree that most of the alchemical things are discovered here- they are part of the Ayurveda as well. Also: only in Indian mythology we hear about the people living the very long life, immortality is discussed so much. That is specialty of India, because parts of Sati fell down here and Shiva came down because of her. So Shiva also lives here; maybe that is also special thing of India. Because of their presence so many arts discovered – because they are Gurus of everything.

ORIGIN OF SWEEPERS AND CHANDALAS(UNTOUCHABLES)

I just understood this;

when humanity was created – and it is a nature of humanity, wherever they live – the land becomes full of shit and all garbage start to come up.

And the bad smell begin to reach heaven and all the gods were so disturbed and went to Creator– what have you done, sir? Save us! They went to Vishnu – he said I can’t do anything, go to Shiva! Shiva heard them and then ordered two of his main ganas – Chandibhairav and Bhringin; Chandibhairav said: ok, I will send my descendants – but they will remain away from society, only in smashan – because we cannot leave Your place. So those, who came from Chandabhairav, are chandalas, who live in smashan.

And from Bhringin – all the bhangis, now they are called “bhangis” – the sweeper cast; they came and also Shiva said:

that you will be considered as the most supreme, you will be the better than everybody else; so the language came into matter. It is actually “mahattar” – better, like Mother, who is clean the shit of all her children those who are human beings. So “bhangi” and “mahettar” is the name – their origin is from Bhringin. He is one of the chief ganas of Shiva.

That’s how it started.

Opposition of the tradition of sati, although never ever such tradition has existed and yet whatever is presently described as tradition, was mostly done by those women whose love for their spouse lacked completeness. The great thought that love for someone could be so intense that one cannot live after the demise of her spouse produces frustration in them. This very frustration is expressed as anger towards sati tradition. Those who oppose sati probably don’t understand that a woman is a sati during the lifetime of her husband. But those who consider tradition of murder as tradition of sati do not realize this. Man and woman, in social context husband and wife in ultimate love and compassion for each other produce virtuosity that is Satitva. This is that great emotion, which when a woman experiences, becomes a goddess from the moment she has this experience. If any woman deserves worship in this world, it is such goddess. Fortunate, are those who chanced to see such a sati during their lifetime.