Politics, war, democracy and the new world order

so I will say that when the devil actually offered the fruit to Eve, he just wanted to say be vegetarian. That's what he meant. And he was a gentleman because he never took advantage of a naked innocent woman. Hmm. Or a naked innocent man; rather, he made them wear clothes. Hmm. That is enough to prove him a gentleman to me. I don't know what Christians are thinking, but as a Hindu, I am thinking this. Well, I think I am not a high enough person to give blessings, but I will give my best wishes to everybody. Who wants peace, because it is high time that we start thinking about peace. Because without peace, I don't see humanity surviving for long. And I, I

take my hat off to those people who are working very hard for peace. And as I say, make your breath your friend and start sharing what you have with less privileged ones. Think, this is a space , is that you are a human being. Everybody has the equal right to share this planet, as I do. So respect each other, respect life, and with that respect, some love will come and tolerance will develop and you will begin to share. And I think, by sharing you will finally have peace. Thank you. Having peace is better than resting in peace.

22nd of June is the beginning of Second World War in Russia, was it absolutely negative or in some way it was good for Russian for humanity? I think it was good for humanity in general. Because you see there is a complete change of political scene after that. The monarchy finished. The humanity grew spiritually. Yoga became more popular. And you can be born in any religion but you can practice yoga. Did it clean the humanity? Yes. That is very good and you see India suffered for more than a 1000 years and Russia also suffered. I think people are ready to practices.

You see we had Mahatma Gandhi who taught to nonviolence and just opposite front of there was Hitler, full of violence, killing. There is always an equivalent opposite force. The rise and fall were noticed almost the same time. And there also it is said that humanity learnt always in the hard way. So it was for our education that all these terrors happened but it is a fact, whoever has attacked Russia they are all defeated, whoever attacked India – they are also turned out, that is a similarity. See Napoleon attacked Russia, his career was over. With Hitler the same thing happened, his career finished. The same thing is marked for thousands of years; so many Mongols attacked India are finished. Britishers came here – they are finished. There might be some spiritual force both in India and Russia and it is a very famous story of Mehmood Gahzini. He was a very old invader who first attacked India on the West coast and there were famous Shiva temple, he looted that and for thousands of camels, loads of gold and he was taking back to Ghazini – there was a big stone of sand and his whole family went under, nothing was left.

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Gandhi was using ahimsa as a weapon against Britishers, against the British Empire. So he never did it because it was impossible for him to use ahimsa against such a great empire. It was impossible for him to finish that. So he used ahimsa as the greatest of weapons and won the battle, won the war.

Q: So when there is a war we can’t be non violent.

Sh: No, you will have to also consider why he was doing it. The motive behind it.

Q: He wanted to liberate India, no?

Sh: No, not to liberate India. He was after the British Empire. He was trying to act as a British gentleman in the beginning. He went even to London and got a degree in law. He was traveling in the first class and some Britishers just punched him and kicked him out. From there he resolved that he would finish this empire. The freedom movement of India just started then and he used it in his own purpose. And his purpose was very big — he created history.

And he started his movement from South Africa, not from India. But then there was a big political movement going on against Britishers in India. He came back to India and became a hero, a leader. I am sure his destiny was such and his birth was a very special birth. Even in his previous birth he did exactly the same thing and every thing started with the insult first.

Presently people have shown very limited tolerance to other people, whose ideas about life, or God or money are different from their own ones. Whenever a man meets somebody who thinks differently, he condemns him as a person of a lower standing in life. And then the power game begins. Who has more money, more information, more of everything, claims the world belongs to him and him alone. This is how things in the society have been, but many changes are happening. These are changes for the better. So there will be more tolerance for others, there will be more support, more help to give and more help to take. There will be much more coordination, more feeling for each other, more togetherness. Yoga is very popular now. I think this is a good omen because only the science of yoga grants us a chance to connect. First, this connection happens at a very intimate, personal level. A person, practicing yoga, begins to understand his own mind, his own nature and, step by step, he’s going towards the realization of his Self. But yoga doesn’t happen only at a personal level, although the path of yoga is to be taken alone. It is a solitary journey in some way. Transformation may take place on a higher level as well. The Sanskrit root “youg” means “to unite”. From the beginnings of time, politics and religions, all these power games humanity play, have been trying to separate people, to make them feel limited and very much alone. Yoga has the power to unite, to make one. My guru used to say that if a Hindu practices this yoga, if a Christian or a Moslem practices it or a Buddhist or an atheist will do it, they all will develop their mind, no matter what God they believe in. Ultimately, they all will start finding themselves going deeper and they’ll find so many answers to so many questions no religion can ever answer these. Yoga is beyond religion or race. Maybe, a man will improve to the degree that he will think of himself not as an Indian, an American or a Russian, but of a person living in the world. People will begin to think about this planet as our home, not as a particular portion of it. That would be a big improvement. We are already in to space, the humanity developed their intellect so much that it is possible to go to other planets, so we must be able to think over that point of view as well. I say, always think big. It’s time to meet the wind of change.

We may compare people. I see Russians from a very different point of view. I see Russians are more open minded, they have more sense of humor, they accept things more. We may see tolerance and accepting other people as heritance of the rules much more in Western Europe and Northern Europe than for example in Russian as a general. At the same time yoga is more popular in Russia then in Western Europe. Then I think I suggest that you would try to observe those yogis closer. Maybe they are just showing there tolerance as good christens no more than that. Sometimes we have to do generalization from time to time. They are brought up as a good christen and they are taught to tolerance to the poor and suffering so they show there tolerance as compilation to the poor and suffering. At the same time I see from a broader prospective that India was a slave and European some going all over the world we awaked and discovered by Europeans; they were trying to do business even trying to find new territories from there they can make more money. Only through commercial trade that will spread all over the world. Otherwise nobody would go anywhere. And money is the main motivation factor for lot of things. I said it is not such bad thing also. If you know how to spend them it’s a very good thing. Maybe it’s much easier for, for politicians who want to become successful.

What are your views on "New World Order" ? I believe that the New World Order has already arrived. Those who are waiting for it, they don't understand that, it is not coming, it has already arrived. It is a very simple matter. The New World Order started after 1944. 1944 is the two thousandth year of our Vikram Calender(Vikrami Samvat). The whole world was waiting for the year 2000 for the world to change. And they forgot to pay attention to Vikram Calender( Vikrami Samvat). The year 2000 of Vikram Calender was 1944 in Gregorian calendar. After that the whole world changed. World War II ended and monarchies disappeared from the face of the earth. And democracy came. Everyone is legally equal. Today we all are legally equal, no matter what family or caste we belong to

Legally we are all equal. If we are all equal under the law, then we will become equal from the social point of view too (Social Equality). Everything starts with the law. The new world order started with the beginning of democracy. We should remember that we are already 70-75 years into the New World Order. Now we are just waiting for this and we all should cooperate in this- that this Democracy becomes more refined and better. That's all, now we have to move forward on this process. New World Order has arrived.

NEW WORLD ORDER, NEW RULES and WARS

You said that every shift in astral world is reflected by changes in human’s civilisations; the world is shifting and the order up there affects here on Earth? Balaji is now the ruler and creator up there?

Guruji: this is what we have heard, yes.

how do You think it’s affecting the present cycle?

Guruji: I think his impact - he is considered as a very wise being: so the knowledge and the wisdom, and maturity, and tolerance of human beings will improve greatly. And we will begin to respect each other’s right to live- I think that is very much needed.

You also said that he changing the mistakes and hiccups, done by the previous astral rulers?

Guruji: yes, now we’re hearing this word - equality -more and more. In old times they was always high-born, low-born, blue-blooded people, normal people, public; in Vedas there was also 4 classes of people - now it’s in the past. Now first in the history of mankind at least legally we are treated absolutely equal. Maybe few generations more and we will all become equal - as a part of the society or citizen of this world. We will have equal rights and equal duties as well. So far we are hearing only the discussion on the rights - my right, my right - but maybe soon people will begin to say: what is my duty, what should I do for the betterment of the society and people’s lives? That is needed.

was the dharmic path is the same questioning?Dharma was also duty - duty for yourself first of all?

Guruji: to yourself, then your family, then the society, - it is very refinement and extended. The main definition is: dharayet sa dharma - whichever carries you through is your dharma. I’ve been saying it again and again: the Earth is carrying us - so it is our duty, loving duty to take good care of her. And I think the whole society is attentive to it now: they are paying enough attention to the planet even doing nothing. but soon they will start.

yes, they’re saying about climat changes…

Guruji: and it’s a fear of our own existence. Fear gives us inspiration to live in discipline.

You said many times, answering questions, thar gods basically don’t care of business of the humans?

Guruji: they just care of themselves and how humans are serving them.

if the wise and very fair astral ruler now - Balaji is in charge?

Guruji: you can look at it and you will understand it: olden times we were all worshipping immortal gods, living in heaven - all the civilisations. With the coming of Jesus Christ the divinity descended to the level of be a human. After Jesus there is a long-long line - from Buddha previous to Jesus and there are other holy men who achieved divinity while remaining a human. That gives us big hope - Matsyendranath is there, and it’s the line of different yogis and saints: they don’t care about heavenly gods. Finally the divinity may come down to the level of being a human.

how do they speed up the progress in the society?

Guruji: I think, after the coming of certain great being ( Buddha, Mahaveer, Jesus Christ, even prophet Mohammad) the worship of the heavenly gods stopped. We see a remarkable change before and after them. Before everybody was serving them, giving sacrifice to them; after that suddenly all those heavenly gods disappeared - those, who were demanding sacrifices: almost all disappeared.

by the way, sacrifices were usually made in case of war…

Guruji: for prosperity also. Now we’re hearing that hard work in the right direction is the real thing which can make you prosperous, instead of offering some animal to some god.

are the astral rulers instigate the wars to speed up the progress?

JUSTICE AND INJUSTICE

what is the difference between justice and injustice?

Guruji: the situation of injustice is far superior than the situation of justice. Then some law is established – that means a person needed a justice: he go and complain – that I’m not getting what I should or someone took away of what I had – so please give me justice. Situation of justice is for the society where all bad things are going on. And the situation of injustice is that state of society when nobody is doing anything wrong to the other and they all are living according to the nature’s law – that is the state of injustice. Once upon a time I have to see the dacoit from Chambal prison: he surrendered to the police – and I was a young man, I was interested how dacoit looks. My uncle was a government lawyer and he arranged for me to have their darshan. And he said – all these locks and all these documents are creating for so-called m a ss people, because they are not trustworthy. For a dacoit a lock doesn’t matter. His word is command – he doesn’t need a legal paper to own something. All these things are created because so many people said that human beings are not trustworthy. Even Batman says this. So let’s have more faith in nature’s law.

SUPERNATURAL ADVENTURES

Now so many people can see and catch the photos of different spirits there. And at 1 st of July Hanuman Ji maze was moving: after putting flowers I was waiting for the fire, and maze which is standing turned 3 times – everybody think it will fall, but then it turned back and stand again. One side could be imagined – if it was not balanced before, but not the reversed process. This is first time it happened there. Don’t you think normal life is boring? There is always supernatural adventures happen here.

Actually – different colors are the way of communication of your spirit. When your consciousness begin to develop – you will begin to understand that. It is showing its emotions and thoughts to you; when we are developed enough – we understand. You cannot force it: if it will like – it will accept it, then the communication starts. Human cannot force the spirit.

but what will be now with this system?

Guruji: it will be new era. King Bali is now Indra, ruling heaven; Shukracharya gave the explanation of the democracy in his Shukraniti; now suddenly monarchy disappeared and democracy come all over the world. Big powers are involved here. What we need is more refinement, which will come in time. Now what I see – the legal rights of every caste are same; this equality was never invented before. This is very big thing.

what we see on americans or Australians: they have no gotras, they have no roots?

Guruji: but many people all over the world have settled there.

yes, but more and more people doesn’t have the roots – and they have more problems, no?

Guruji: who have the problems there? but you have to consider the karmic effect also. They took so many black people to work on them like a slaves, but now all the afroamericans have the same rights – which is the very big thing. You must read a book “The roots” – how the man was took from a jungle and became a slave; most fantastic book I’ve ever read. But from another point – if they will not become a slaves, they will never travel to America. It was the sort of reshuffling of the very big powers. Baraka Obama was a president – it’s the very big thing and also improvement.

what is including in “hindu dharma”?

Guruji: everything.

what does it mean? Everyone has his own path or what?

Guruji: I will say – many people will be angry to listen it – but everyone, who is born free on this planet is hindu by birth; then they are baptized into a different religions. If you’re free man, free-minded – you’re hindu. You don’t need any ritual to be a hindu, that’s the beauty of it. We’re free to worship any god, free to have any philosophy – freedom of thinking. To be a hindu you don’t need baptazation.

You’re born as you’re. how this name were coming? There is a river calling Sindu. And they were pronouncing “s” like “h” – so they pronounced Hindu to the Sindu. And the land beyond Sindu became Hindustan. Whoever is living here was called hindu. That’s how it started with Alexander’s invasion.

so whoever was born and was not belonging to any religion – they have natural devotion to the Mother Earth?

Guruji: we definitely have this. Instead of worshipping someone sitting in heaven – Earth is providing everything to him; from food and shelter to everything. They will recognize this, yes.

so naturally we are connected – but then it was closed and shifted to heaven?

Guruji: I think the basic idea of Hinduism is worshipping nature like Krishna: I think it is paying respect to nature itself. To the cows: if you have cows – the land will be prosperous and healthy; they go together.

And we must also listen to the Shanti path – which is from the vedas but it is amazing: Prithvi shanti, antariksh shanti; they are saying that Earth will be happy, the space will remain in peace, the hills will remain in peace, rivers will remain in peace – even the peace will remain peaceful. Shanti path is amazing – it’s a must read thing for anybody.

If you want to be a monarch – it’s not democratic way and it’s not good for society. In monarchy everybody was just a subject; in democracy we all have individuality, individual respect – and we have the same rights and duties as well.

but what I see – nowadays perceive himself as a little monarch?

Guruji: that is what I’m saying – in ten generations this feeling will disappear. It’s very recent – maybe only 70 or 80 years without monarchy; that shadow will remain for some time. But the life of our Prime minister gives us a great hope.

our president also

Guruji: yes, he was very much needed in Ukraine. The person who has an ability to make other people smile – I like it. Every sand-up comedian is extremely intelligent – this is the hardest part to make others smile and laugh, it’s not the easy thing. I hope he will be the very good president.

what do You think: sense of humor and the level of the development of intelligence – are they connected?

Guruji: I think the more intelligent the person- the better sense of humor he or she must be have.

and if someone has absolutely no sense of humor?

Guruji: I’ll keep quiet. You never know how it will reflect on that person.

Guruji, who is the most beautiful in Your opinion?

Guruji: the most beautiful and the best of the best woman in the whole creation is society. Respect her, love her.

what should I do like a yogi if the war happen?

Guruji: if the war is coming to you – you need to fight. To protect yourself and those you care for.

who You think will be in that war?

Guruji: I think the whole world will be involved. Situation is not getting better.

at least we have mudgars

Guruji: it’s the best exercise and you can use it like a weapon also.

what is the karma of the person who sacrifice himself to save others?

Guruji: very good karma. If it’s not committing suicide – extremely good karma. They go very high in astral. They saved many lives.

but their own life is destroyed?

Guruji: it will be destroyed anyway. They are not immortals – so it’s a good cause if they are saving others.

If you’re killing people in the name of god – there is not a good karma. They are always creating wars and problems.

In the words of Nostradamus mentioning of banks of the Ganges is amazing.

coming back to topic: that people who were saved also was not immortal and they also will die anyway?

Guruji: but the hero save not just lives – he save so many possibilities.

You never know what other person is going to do. If someone sacrifice himself for others – the impact always remains. I’ve never seen anyone committing bad things after such experience, after being saved the impact remains on their mind. Most of the bad things people do who have the very easy way of life or they were born in extreme poverty, nobody is helping them – then they do bad things.

REAL DEMOCRACY; POWER OF THE MIND AND IMAGINATION

We spoke about democracy coming and establishing itself here, on the earthly level; then it’s becoming refined; but at the same time you are continuously saying that there is no democracy in the astral world.

Guruji: Yes, in a way that everybody is equal. Your existence and respect towards you in the astral world depends on how much power you have: if you’re more powerful – you will be respected more. Only power is recognized there.

Everybody is equal – but some are more equal than others?

GURUJI ABOUT THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY

Nostradamus was saying that the english queen will die in 2023 and it will be the final end of monarchy?

Guruji: probably: she is the last one living - who ruled british empire. She is very important person - no matter what anybody can say, but she is Her Majesty. she cannot be ordinary.

what is so special in so small island that they could dominate the biggest part of the world?

Guruji: 78 countries they were victorious and they ruled and gave a system to almost every country. whatever system we have in India - it is because of them. Some big one up there moving them forward - because they are very meticulous planners, long-termed planners; and they created the army - which is now Indian army: that pattern almost whole world is following. they are knowing something.

these rules will exist forever?

Guruji: that was just the beginning of globalisation, they were part of it. see the change of world after Second World War: monarchy suddenly disappeared, everywhere democracy came: it’s a new world order!

could it be that during the second world war some object or deity was destroyed and that’s why monarchy disappeared?

Guruji: I think it was bound to happen: always big war before new chapter

will democracy also change to another system?

Guruji: you see, monarchy was there for thousands of years: let’s hope democracy will remain as long. it needs refinement: with every passing generation it will be more and more refined. no matter anybody what they say - the lifestyle of normal person is much better. it is getting better and better. this is a window to the world.

now we can say that vaishyas era is ruling?

Guruji: businessman class. And as I said - the service sector will become powerful, so it is becoming powerful. after everything has been purchased and sold - only servicing will remain.

what will be in this service sector era with the brahmins?

Guruji: they will always be knowledgeable people because you will always need them. Then, after this era is done, then the golden period on Earth will became. much less population, everybody highly educated, highly competent - not only education, competent. There will be the real golden time. no passport, no visa will be required, no caste, no creed - everybody will be equal.

now it sounds unbelievable

Guruji: it will come to that

interesting what will be with the cities, with the races?

Guruji: all the big cities will disintegrate and merge with Earth: it’s just a matter of time.

we will live like a hobbits?

Guruji: no, not hobbits - we will live according to the nature. You will be highly competent and educated, knowing so many things; highest form of technology at your command- and you will live like Aborigen. Someone told me the cavemen were nothing: I said they may have reached the climax form of evolution – they were even making tools with the stone. Merge with the nature, living absolutely natural way. How You can prove it? I said – look at the cave paintings: you cannot make paint which will last 20000 years in nowadays situation – but it is still there. I don’t think simple cavemen or Aborigen could create such a paintings.

I think the world population will start to go down in a few years.

first because of pandemic then the war?

Guruji: maybe less children will take birth.

because of vaccination?

Guruji: no, many children already took birth after people recovered from it. Someone asked me about the name of the child – I said Ms Corona and Mr Covid( laughing)

is it the first step to Apocalypse?

Guruji: no, not yet.

A lot of fears are connected with theories that world elites are trying to reduce the population of the planet. There are a lot of rumors, conspiracy theories, about Bill Gates and his foundation which has been promoting vaccinations for years, and this and that… Some people brush it aside, some people say – it’s certainly truth, what to make of it…?

Guruji: From a hardcore Indian businessman’s point of view – and I’ve observed such businessmen for a very long time – they will never try to reduce population. Population means cheap labor and customers. I don’t agree with this theory that someone is trying to depopulate the Earth. Not because of the resources or threat to nature – nobody cares for nature. But people and organizations have started to care for it now. Cheap labor and customers will always be needed for the business. Population can’t be reduced…

They care about the planet so much because they want to save resources – and for saving resources they want to cut down the population, right?

Guruji: Saving resources for whom?

For themselves. And some servants and stuff.

Guruji: I think this theory is taken too far: rich may be selfish people – but they are very smart also; they would never arrange such a situation.

So do you think this theory is rubbish?

Guruji: I don’t believe in it. No laborers, no workers, no customers: then who are you?

A certain number of laborers will stay, a certain number of customers will stay…

Guruji: But businessmen don’t need to limit the number of their customers. They need many consumers to grow, to expand. All these conspiracy theories are the cases when confused people are actually speaking out their own mindsets. They would have done these things (depopulation) themselves if they would have a say in this situation. Why else are they coming up with all these scenarios?

Would they do that themselves?!

Guruji: If you just take one simple man, not penalize him, and assure him that nothing will harm him – he will become the most vicious person in no time. Fear keeps us disciplined. Fear of the system, fear of punishment.

Why are these theories so eagerly embraced? The notion that there is some evil out there?

Guruji: I just told you: every religion, every organization is always predicting, prophesying the doomsday, the end of the world, Apocalypse; all the bad things, famine, earthquakes… Nobody predicts good things for human beings or Earth.

This is the real tragedy. I see very good people, bad people, a mix of people. Otherwise human civilization would have ended a long time ago – if every single person was a villain and everybody was extremely selfish – then society would never survive. When I was moving around, I came across mostly good people – otherwise it would be impossible for me to survive. Even beggars were ready to share their food.

Such an elaborate plan of destruction would inevitably collapse, because everything which could go wrong usually goes wrong when implemented on the mass scale, wouldn’t it?

Guruji: All the comics and all the Hollywood and Bollywood movies tell us: no matter how strong the villain is – good always wins.

So we have hope. We are waiting to see who is a hero now.

I don ’ t agree with these conspiracy theories of depopulation. Computers need people, high-tech technology needs people, coal mining needs people – what would a computer do then? A person, a helper or laborer will always be needed.

Maybe the robots will be there?

Guruji: Till then – the laborers will be required. I think, more people – more prosperity.

I look at my worker Shyam: he has 4-5 sons. Before he was alone, he was only one humble man in hard circumstances. Now, his sons begin to earn, even the grandsons are earning – so it is a strong family now; the fifth generation is born.

Speaking of overpopulated countries – let’s take India: there is no access for health care now and people are dying by the hundreds right now.

Guruji: Mostly in metropolitan cities, big cities.

In some villages certain castes have no access to medical care.

Guruji: It’s fine – we were surviving without hospitals for thousands of years. You will see ancient castles, forts, pyramids, – but I’ve never heard of somebody discovering a 2000-year-old hospital or 3000-year-old hospital. People were doing very well without it. That’s why survival of the fittest took place.

So it does not sound as a problem that many people on the planet are dying right now?

Guruji: I will say – when it becomes too much, too overloading population-wise – then Earth will decide. Human beings are not capable enough to make a decision on their population or the population of Earth.

Because of the pandemic the birth rate will decrease automatically: they say it’s already down for some time.

Guruji: Yes.

Is it reducing because of the situation – disease or maybe war?

Guruji: Maybe because of some other reasons. Nature will take care of it.

Not that I’m believing in Bill Gates conspiracy theory – I believe in what was quoted in “Godfather”: behind every great fortune there is a crime. What type of crime is another question – but it definitely excludes the depopulation of the Earth. It is bad for business.

Some people are extremely good at collecting bitcoins now. The smartest will survive, won’t they?

Guruji: The smartest will survive – but suppose if something happens with the internet, then where will bitcoins go?

Nowhere.

Guruji: I ’ ve been saying it for more than 20 years: once only silver and gold were real money. Then it was turned into plastic and we were given pieces of paper. Nowadays it ’ s just a number on your mobile ’ s display screen or on your computer – and some day some button will be pushed and the money will disappear. Then what you have at hand – gold, real estate, land – will remain, and only that will help you.

The depopulation of the country, which is happening now due to Covid, is not working in favor of political leaders, is it?

Guruji: This conspiracy theory doesn’t work. I don’t think people are that low-minded as to kill everybody. It does not work for a businessman: he will always need customers and workers. If you’re rich and there is no poor person looking up to you in jealousy – you have nobody to gloat over, so what is the use of becoming rich if there is nobody to admire you?

So when everything was in place, he came?

Guruji: Yes. Dhuni was lit on 9/11 2001.

And what do You think of that coincidence – or are there no coincidences?

Guruji: I don’t believe in coincidences any more.

So how do You think it could be related?

Guruji: The chain started from that very day the dhuni was ignited; he accepted it and started to come.

Is it a shift of world powers?

Guruji: I think the world power has already shifted – I mean we’re already into the new world order. As I keep repeating- monarchy goes, democracy comes; the refinement of the democracy begins from that time.

How did the fall of the most significant emblems of capitalism and ignition of the yogic dhuni on smashan – how did those things correlate?

Guruji: Capitalism is just an expression of monarchy- you want to rule and create an empire; whether it will be the business empire or religious empire – empire is just a symbol of monarchy. So slowly-slowly democracy will become more and more refined and individuality will be respected by the individual. Yours also – and others also.

As I already have gone through many times: there were four yugas and four varnas in the vedic creation or ancient creation. So with the demise of Ravana the Brahmanical era ended – and he was there for 3.11 billion years, which is like immortality. Then Rama, the kshatriyas era came, which lasted for 2 million years. If we compare the personalities from 3.11 billion years to only 2 million years; it ended with the coming of an East India company to India: most of the kings were defeated by the businessmen.

If you take the rating of that – it may last maybe 150-170 years, no more than that. So maybe by the year 2050 the service – the shudra ruling will begin. And you will agree that shudra means service: the service sector is becoming more and more powerful.

What do You think Dattatreya has to do with all of this?

Guruji: He is the foremost exponent of equality, the Guru. Equality is the name of the game.

We must equally share this planet, the planet is providing everything; and no matter who we are – blue-blooded or red- blooded or black-blooded – we have equal legal rights.

I will say here one more thing which very few people noticed: the Lord Macaulay, the great british scholar – created a criminal procedure code of India, which is still on; and that the first time we saw that social equality: no matter to which family you belong, to which religion you belong, whatever – rich or poor, you will be prosecuted if you commit a crime. Equality started from that very moment. And I hope it will continue.

Interesting that equality started from the punishment moment – actually justice?

Guruji: Justice should be equal, that’s how it started. Otherwise blue-blooded people were beyond this thing, they were never to be arrested – but it all ended now.

I think it’s an absolutely wonderful parallel, that Dattatreya is the representation of equality: equality of elements, equality of castes?

Guruji: Of three major gods as well – Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva equally. Let’s hope his kripa will be on us. His look will be upon us. Most mysterious being.

LOVE – IS THE ENVY OF THE GODS

…all those problems came from the inferiority complex. To prove that they are much superior than others, they try to prove that a god, which they are worshiping is the superior, the most powerful; and I’m also very superior – because I’m worshiping him. It’s just to come down to their inferiority complex: that’s how the arguments, then the battles, then the wars begin.

That is humanity: god sent his son – and what we did with him? This is humanity. And when you discuss religion – you’re sure to offend someone. Somebody will feel offended for no reason at all; so never discuss religion, if you want to survive.

Why did Brahma make Daksha the primary one?

Guruji: He was the main son

But I think – others were not so arrogant?

Guruji: Whoever will receive some form of power… as we say: if a rat finds a piece of turmeric – he thinks he owns the whole mall.

If we remember sons of Daksha – Sanat Kumaras: they were I think, very highly evolved beings, not like their father?

Guruji: Because of Narada’s influence, yes.

He did a very good deed for them – they began to do tapas, became immortal…

Guruji: Yes, nobody criticizes Narada. That’s how we learn from history; what comes after studying history? Hysteria follows. (smiling)

PUNISHMENT

Punishment is such a great thing, that the fear of punishment makes us live the very disciplined way of life. If there will be no fear of any punishment – I don’t think society will be able to survive. It will become like jungle laws. So the fear of punishment is the most needed ingredient of creating the highly disciplined society.

Specially you will find it in Vishnu Purana. King Bali – one of the giants, Daityas, who is supposed to be the most righteous, truthful and finest person in the whole creation – will be ruling heaven also now. He’s the next king. Maybe Krishna came down and change the hierarchy - he stop the worshipping of creator, Brahma, and also stop the worshipping of Indra. King Bali took over - by the battle of Mahabharat most of the daityas were sended to heaven.

This globalization and the legally equality – I give credit to king Bali. He was giving respect to every life – and at previous eras life was not given respect at all. Only high born or special born – only blue-blooded were enjoying life, every other was just a slave or just a subject to them. First time in the history of mankind at least we’re legally equal. We’re able to say in selecting, who will lead us. I think this is because of king Bali stand over – I hope more good times are coming.

What we’re see today is very different from what we find in any records of any civilization. Kings were always ruling – others were only servants and slaves for the privilege class. First time in the history of mankind we’re legally equal. It was never like this before.

could it be the connection with the Red Messiah and Kalkiavatar?

Guruji: if you look at it – the colour is similar. Population will be much less; I think it will start going down in 3-4 years. Less birth rate and people will continue to die in the same way: on its own the population will start to go down. White people population is going down already. We are waiting for Chinese and Indians( smiling).

is it connected with the planetary situation?

Guruji: everything is connected with planetary situation! Now for next 2000 years Sun will be in Capricorn: that will make the world more sower – I think it is already started to be sower; so more and more.

this separation will gone when the process of globalization comes to an end?

Guruji: no idea – but I think the genetics will remain.

who are mlechchhas?

Guruji: those, who are outside of india were called mlechchhas. In the process of globalization all the races will mix together – but it will take quite a long time. When they will come together – they will be in position to understand each other better. There is more communication now – it was never like this before. The whole system is going towards a very good system. Now even animal rights have been discussed. Vegetarianism is now a very fashionable thing.

KILL OR BE KILLED

What is the essence of the warrior? They train their whole life to be a warrior – so they can go to war. And two type of things – when someone is attacking and someone is defending; both of them are warriors. The greatest aim of the warrior is: to kill or to be killed. And I will say as a yogi: every warriors death should be honored. This is the most honorable death. We must respect that and honor that. To kill – and to be killed: that is the essence of being a warrior.

DEMOCRACY FOR THE MEEK

Just to conclude very interesting conversation which we have about the sexual nature of creation: it was good discussion where You give many points; following from that – we are creatures of that creation- therefore, was the Freud right when he wrote that human nature is based on sexual instincts?

Guruji: not only human nature – every being in this creation are contend in the instinct of sex. In India we are saying that Brahma created the sexual world. Here I will add one thing to Freud: every other being, from insect to a plant, from animals to anybody – they are contend in an instinct of reproduction. Only men had a capacity to take a decision – no, I will not breed. That makes a human being or a men to stand apart from any other creatures in the world.

what are the reasons, why this decision is taken by human being?

Guruji: otherwise how you will understand the Creation? Only when you stand apart and you begin to see what’s happening – only then you’re capable in taking the decision.

so in a way it’s a protest against to be a part of the system?

Guruji: no, it is not a protest – it is just the understanding that I will not be a part of the repro.

it’s a rebellion?

Guruji: in a way. But he is not actually doing it, he’s not preaching it; that’s why sadhu’s brahmacharya was stressed so much. But it’s a personal decision – I will not breed.

that popular in a western countries now – child free, to live the life without reproduction; what do You think on that?

Guruji: I think it’s the way of nature to erase the genetic record. I see a very big change in a world in few centuries: one chapter is over and another beginning – we’re in the middle of it. Maybe nature is already decided to erase the certain people; that’s why you see so many homosexuality – it is also part to be erased; that people are not standing apart – they are just don’t want a child. That is the difference. Or just shying of responsibility of taking up a child.

they are saying – it’s conscious decision, because the population are multiplying and they couldn’t see the exit?

Guruji: but only so-called rich and educated people are taking this decision – population will be continue. That means it will be much less educated people in a world.

so they are making intelligent decisions instead of going for instincts?

Guruji: looks like it. Blessed are meek for they shall inherit the kingdom of Earth. We need to remember it also. Meek will remain – warriors will kill each other.

and at the same time we saying – we’re entering the golden age?

Guruji: yes, Kali yuga ended in 1944; now this is yuga which is not described in any religion or anywhere. It’s absolutely new thing. That tells me that the golden age is already began – we just need some time to understand it. Maybe even then we’re just in a middle; let’s hope it will refine more and more with time.

so the meek will be inhabitants of the golden age?

Guruji: democracy is for the meek.

I would like You to elaborate it more?

Guruji: you see, those people who are not able to fight for themselves – now they have a system when the government defines them; they just need to cast their vote – that is their war and that is their bravery and that is whatever you want to say. All will be done for them by others – army, police and all who were train to do that. So democracy is for the meek, not for a very strong people. They may criticize me; but if you look deeply on this – you will discover the fact.

yes, such things must be understand: democracy is great, having a family is even greater – but they are certain part of be into historic process?

Guruji: yes, that is also true. But if you look back – history was written by the warriors and adventurous people. Meek persons left no mark in history. Even that is good.

so appropriation for some rich and braveness both?

Guruji: if you’re highly educated and you’re rich enough – you should produce at least 10-12 children. In India we see that who are not so educated and rich are producing so many children.

what’s their place in the future and development of India?

Guruji: that is just another vote. Now what I see in psychology – more we are more power we will create in democracy.

it’s also applying for muslims and Chinese?.

Guruji: actually muslims are producing more; hindus still have only one wife. Allah is looking after them.

it’s weapon of choice?

Guruji: actually this word was coming from Hawaiian “aloha” – it could be aloha with the time become Allah( laughing)

Great Story

When I was at college – I have one classmate: he was wrestler, very strong man – but very nice and gentle person. When I went in search on yoga -I lost contact. After many years I came to know that he is in prison for men slaughter. He killed four men with a sword, cut them into pieces. It was very difficult for me to believe, that such a nice and sweet person killed four person like that. I went to see him in prison in Gwalior – it was a very big prison. And I tell you – I saw the happiest person; all others gave him very much respect. He was worshipping Hanuman in prison, he was reading Hanuman chalisa every day. Everybody was calling him Baba. Then I came to know the truth: those four persons killed his father and two of his uncles, when they were returning from their farm. There was some jealousy, some dispute – and they kill them with a sword. And on the dead bodies he saw he promised, that he will also kill them. After maybe within a year he take a sword, went to the road when they were together, challenge them and killed them on the spot. Then he went to police station and surrendered. He never ran away from police. He surrendered, confess everything – yes, I’ve did it, and there is the reason. He received about 20 years in prison. You can make any conclusion from this story. it’s true story. I don’t care if the devil hang me – I fulfill my promise. If somebody’s take the revenge and run away from police – this is not acceptable. He should be ready to face the consequences. That’s the point.

He was released long time back and came back to village. He never married. But we don’t contact after that. We graduated together. I don’t know – maybe the children of that 4 people take revenge on him – and the chain continue.

Until unless you know the whole situation – it’s impossible to express any opinion – why this happen or what should be.

I’m not agree that this person must go to the prison. Prison is the part of the system of the law of the country. And the law doesn’t protect his father or his relatives. Why he should go there?

Guruji: he was honest enough to face the law.

if he live 2-3 hundred years before – it was not a problem to kill them and live normally

Guruji: the law works on evidence – you need to prove that persons are guilty. It’s complicated system.

why this system doesn’t help his father? If the system doesn’t work – you must fight? If you win – you will go to prison, if you lose – you will die?

Guruji: that are the laws of the society. He could ran away, but instead of it he come and surrendered. That’s why he didn’t receive the death penalty – only 20 years of prison. He went out of prison when he was about 45.

what do You think about some persons in the government of India: are their Kundalini awaken?

Guruji: I’m a very small man to comment on such high personalities. Continue to pay them respect and give some money – and you can relax.

WAR AND COMMERCE

The root of war is in commerciality; even in the world market the war is on. All the armies were created for this: what is mine will remain mine and yours will also become mine. That is the root of commerce, which is ruling us now.

Why is it said that “even vaishyas” will be liberated by yoga?

Guruji: Because vaishyas are doing commerce; and kshatriyas are more powerful than them – they are just taking money in the name of power.

The person must go through millions and billions of births until he will start to practice yoga?

Guruji: It is a big possibility, yes.

But are these stages of development obligatory – for example shudra must first live like Vaishya, then like kshatriya?

Guruji: I t depends on the evolution; but yoga is open for everybody. Self-knowledge, self-realization is for everybody – whoever is able to think about them and ready to go for them. Yogis don’t differentiate between people or countries, or caste: only a sincere approach is needed.

But the progress will be different?

Guruji: I t depends on your mental status, from which point you started to work – that will make the difference.

GURUJI ABOUT DEMOCRACY

in series “Devon ke Dev” Indra has attained the status of the greatest king…

Guruji: because of his karmas: he did 100 Ashwamedhyagyas: so as the result of this you get to be the king of the gods. But he has retired forcibly by Shri Krishna; and now king Bali from the Netherworld is holding the throne. That’s why democracy came. Nobody noticed that: we are already in a new world order. Till second world war monarchy was everywhere, all over the world. After second world war – suddenly, everywhere is democracy, mostly. It is big miracle: no king or no big person will simply give up their property. And the Guru of king Bali, Shukracharya, in his book “ShukraNiti” writes about democracy; equal rights to everyone – even he is describing living relationship. All these things are coming now. And what we see: I’m not that old – but I have seen enough; today the average’s men life is much more easierand far better. We are enjoying things – as Dracula was saying – even king and emperors were unable to enjoy: refrigerator, air conditioning, electricity. This is miracle! We must appreciate this. It’s a new world order. And – in comparison – 50 years before, 40 years before there was much street violence. Now it is much less, not to that level anymore. We are improving: with democracy we are becoming more refined.

Q : can we say that nowadays the level of consciousness of the common people are lower than in vedis times?

Guruji : no, it is much higher.

Q : it’s very popular idea that in vedic times people were much closer to nature?

Guruji : difficult to say – maybe now we’re carrying more about the nature. Now human rights are being discussed; in vedic times and in most times when kings were ruling – nobody was talking about human rights. Now we’re talking about animals rights also – it was never before, animals were just animals. But they have the same rights to live on this planet as we do. Now at least also individuality has been recognized and even commanding some respect – it should be like this. I support these things very much.

WHERE ARE THE GODS?

now old gods are disappeared; but does appear the new ones?

Guruji: they may; but here I will say – it may not be the very pleasant statement to make in turn of religious things. All religions all over the Earth – they took birth at the time of monarchy. So most of them are monarchical-fashioned. Now the first time in the history of mankind the whole world is enjoying democracy – mostly. Are all the religions valid from that point of view? Or you need something different? Maybe something different is already begin: yoga is becoming too powerful. Very popular! Only yogis are saying these things for thousands of years – that all are equal: democracy also says – you are all equal; so maybe self-knowledge will prevail finally.

can we say that Neil Gayman was right and it will be the god of internet and god of media?

Guruji: no. He failed to see the point that every religion took birth in monarchical times. To have this idea: no gods will be there, only the spirits will rule – it will take quite some time to register. Let 5-10 generations more pass- then mindset will be different.

CREATE A FRIENDSHIP

sorry for the question – but what do You think about british invasion in India?

Guruji: I think it is very good that britishers came – they liberated us from Islamic rule. Thank to britishers – otherwise we were for 700 or 800 years under Islamic rule. It was britishers who defeated them, they liberate India from Islamic, and that is great. They created a big system of democracy – and it’s a big improvement. It was good service to India. Cricket also( smiling).

cities were growing?

Guruji: cities were growing because many rich people shifted there because of tax system. When Islamic people were dominating by the force of their sword – now they are change it into the sword of the oil and it will not last long.

I think we are seeing the toppling of two major religions: Christianity and islam. In Europe Christianity is already going down – as people tell me.

when I’m coming to church in Europe – it’s neutral feeling, but when I’m coming to Russian church – the great feeling of suffering and pain and endless requests to the God is coming?

Guruji: history of suffering is more in Russia then in Europe. That effect will always remain – what you pray for.

but we’re coming to the church or the temple to see the god, not to continuously ask for something?

Guruji: I think that’s why god disappeared. He was so tired of listening.

Very famous poet says the best: temple and mosque – they create animosity between people. It is the bar, where wine is flowing, creates friendship between them. You can drink together, no matter to which religion you belong.

WHY WAR

HAPPENS?

Why war

happens? As I

see as a yogi: when a person thinks that Earth belongs to him and only he has

the right to live – they go to war to gain more territory and to take

everything which is available – every resources, whatever is available on

Mother Earth; they want to be a master of it.

And as a

yogi I think: if

we will start to see that every living being has the same right to live on this

planet as I do, when everybody will begin to feel like that – then it will be

the permanent state of the peace in this world. As long as there will be

warriors – war always be there.

Here I

will quote Jesus Christ: blessed are meek, for they shall inherit the kingdom of Earth. Maybe he

was talking about democracy; because there is no war, we’re not warriors but we

still have right to vote, we can create governments and we can undo them also.

When we will begin to respect each other’s equal right to share this planet – I

think there will be peace permanently.

what do You think: for what it was needed to introduce yoga to america and to western world?

Guruji: see, before that yoga was virtually unknown in the world: he started that thing from there. He was not teaching postures: he start to talk with samadhi, meditation and Kriya yoga: the mysticism of yoga introduced. Then, inspired by his success, so many people started to go and many things started. But even then: he was a pioneer, who made yoga very famous world wide.

but what is the aim? For centuries yoga was only inside of India?

Guruji: new world order; democracy was about to begin; and I said – Babaji was the first exponent of democracy: he didn’t invite any prince or king for initiation, he invited the very simple householder, clerk, who is nowhere if you compare with kings; and made him a spiritual giant: even kings came to take his ashirvad: maybe democracy begin from that very day, when Babaji initiated Lahiri Mahasaya. And this thing was for new world order: monarchy was going away, democracy was about to come; and before second world war Yogananda was very famous already. So yoga is everywhere now. Also many people are criticise: people are making money, teaching yoga: I say – it is very good. If it’s commercial value thing – then it will become even more popular. And the body language will directly affect the mind: so maybe somebody will come out and begin to search for the mystical things. And they were doing it – there is big talk nowadays. It was for the new world order: for democracy the Yoga need to be worldwide famous. Yogananda started that – so we must be thank him for that. And, as we have seen enough of the world: so much jealousy is created by success. I've seen many different sannyasis – those, who imagine that they will be famous like Vivekananda or Yogananda and the whole world will know; sadky, not everybody become famous: because the backup of the Parampara and ashirvad of the Paramoara is not with them. These two man were not working for their own self reasons, it was bigger thing, and they did that. I'm thankful to Yogananda; without his book I would not practicing Kriya Yoga or even knowing about it. We must take inspiration from them; otherwise it is very easy to criticise – even god is criticised; but I've never ever seen anybody criticising the mafia boss. God – yes, prime ministers – yes, basicants – yes, holy men – yes; but never a mafia boss. They are real powerful people.

I've heard that one man was granted samadhi by Yogananda?

Guruji: the name came up: James Jesse Lynn; if Yogananda says he was given samadhi - we have to agree with it. We don’t know exactly – Shaktipat or how he triggered that.

he didn’t survived after thaty?

Guruji: no, he survived: he was the president of SRF, but for a few years only. Dayamata was the longest living president of SRF. Yogananda started that and broke the ice. Those, who are not so successful materially or famous – they will continue to criticise them.

yoga always was the very closed knowledge?

Guruji: new world order. And he left his body in the new world order, after vdemocracy was established.

We talked about free will; as a grassroots level man my observation is: nothing comes for free, even your will. You have to pay very heavy price for developing will power. Be ready for that!

54. BEHAVIOUR BECOMES LIKE SHIVA, PRANA AND CAUSES EQUANIMITY

Guruji: yes, Shiva tulya jayate – he becomes like Shiva.

after installing the Shivalingam and invoking avadhut - could we say that all our creation came to the final stage of existence? Or it is the sign of the big changes?

Guruji: it maybe big changes have already begun – but we fail to notice it. After second world war from all over the world suddenly monarchy ended and a new era begin – of democracy: it’s a new world order. Now avadhut is there – it will become more and more refined, hopefully. We already are in a new world order.

but does it mean it’s the final stage and after that the creation will be annihilated?

Guruji: no, who cares the creation? I think humanity needs few more lessons – that would be enough. Creation is a very big concept.

what do You think – how long this chapter will last for the humanity?

Guruji: I hope it will last much longer than the previous chapter.

after Avadhut appearing – will it affect all humanity: will they have more interest in yoga, in practice of yoga, in sadana?

Guruji: I think you already know it: it’s already popular all over the world. An organized religions are been asked so many touchy questions nowadays; nobody would dare asking direct questions but now everybody is asking. And they are unable to answer. Mind is more developed now; I think younger generation is smarter and more educated. And formation of the world depends on that younger. This situation was never before.

When we were young – whenever sinner was caught the people think: we don’t know what he might be doing. Now they are losing their so-called reputation. If some Swami will go to America or foreign countries – he will be like a superstar; but now we know the other things. It is much more awareness nowadays.

new world order like the democracy – it will be the last structure of the society or after it will be something different?

Guruji: when all different classifications and different rich people – high-born, low-born, blue-blood, - they will gone, the equality remains. Let’s hope it maybe the final, but it needs to be refined more.

Most of the religions came into being in the monarchy times; so in democracy – will they remain valid? Especially organized religions, because organization is as good as creating an empire.

don’t You think it is needed 10 times less population for that?

Guruji: it depends: it was very less – now it’s too much – again it will be less. This is the swing of life.

but it was the example of Babylon in history? Was it the real globalization when they start to build the tower?

Guruji: no, they were building the tower so they can be near god, going to heaven. And they went to heaven.

what do You think: nowadays Dubai is looking like Babylon?

Guruji: most of the metropolitan cities are looking like it.

could their towers be like incarnation of Babylon tower?

Guruji: no. there are two cities, very prosperous: Dubai and Mumbai. Phonetically it sounds like two sisters names. Both cities are highly prosperous, both are by the sea; maybe there is some connection. There is a temple of Mumba Devi; on her name the city is called Mumbai. Maybe there is something in Dubai also. It cannot be a coincidence: Dubai and Mumbai sounds very much same and both are very prosperous cities.

In monarchy times the globalization was not possible because there were so many monarchs and kings; only in democratic times globalization became possible. I think it will become more and more and will become very refined; democracy needs to be more refined – it is a very recent addition to humanity. Slowly evolution; we remain too attached to the past.

Religion, Politics, and War

"Guruji, yogis are able to talk naturally with people, but can' t say the same for Buddhist monks. Why is that?"

Guruji: "That is because yogis live with nature, so they easily connect with people around them. Buddhist monks and Christians priests on the other hand are fed with so much superiority complex that they are not left even worth speaking to. Wherever you see people having intelligent discussions, you'll find these priests sitting at the back, smirking, saying 'You should just take refuge in the Jesus the Christ'. This is complete nonsense. Christ is nothing for yogis. We tread the path of knowledge; keep learning as you move forward is our motto.

"The person who started Christianity, St Paul, must have been a great psychologist. He understood the biggest weakness of mankind, saying things like: 'You are born in sin. You consider Jesus as your lord and savior and he suffered for you, is suffering for you and will suffer for you. You don’t have to do anything other then calling him your savior and you will be saved'. On the other hand, here we are told that we are responsible for our own actions. That keeps us on the edge all the time (laughs). If we didn't want to take the responsibility of what we've done, and we are given an easy way out, whether it's real or not, we'll naturally get drawn to it. Paul must have started the religion in a very organized fashion, that's why it continues till date. "

"[During second US-Iraq war] India seems to have a pro-Iraq stance these days."

Guruji: "Yeah, Indian companies have a lot of money at stake there.. have lost quite a bit already. The war is naturally causing a lot of disturbance in the trade scene.

"Now it's mainly the consequences of this war that remain to be seen. For example, in 1930-35 when the second world war had started it was unimaginable that the British rule around the world would ever end. But within a span of 10 years, the empire was gone! Changes are always sudden after such big events. It will be interesting to observe the long term effects of this on USA."

"That means terrorism is not as big a factor as the after-effects of this war?"

Guruji: "Naturally, it bears the curses of so many innocent people who'd die in this war. Take a step back to observe this. American society was not so decadent before it dropped atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. After this event came hippie movement, gay and lesbian marriages, increase in crime rate, drug abuse, loss of family values, etc. America had comparatively better society before. There used to be some problems, especially with fights within Christianity, Ku Klux Klan, etc. Abraham Lincoln had abolished slavery yet there was discrimination against Blacks. But there was still some spiritual awareness. People were not so bad. It was called the land of opportunities. Now take a look at America after the second world war. It became completely materialistic, crime rate increased, people started having pyschological problems. Theentire concept of family started getting lost. Instead of getting married, people started living together so they wouldn’t have to give alimony when they separate. The sense of belonging is gradually beginning to decrease in America. Punks, motorcycle gangs started showing up on the cover. the 60’s was all about sex revolution.

"The aftermath of the war was very strange on America. The aftermath destroyed the entire British empire as well. Before the war, Britain was at the top and now its America. Before the war, sun never set in the British empire. Now it sets every day. Recently saw a TV interview that Indians have so filled up the entire Britain that Britishers are feeling like leaving their land for good (laughs). "

"This will continue to develop as there are so many Indians in UK and USA nowadays"

Guruji: Thanks to democracy we will rule the world! (laughs). With the fast increase in our numbers, we are in a stronger position to rule. The white population is at a stand-still or even dwindling in some places."

"Is this happening for the first time or did Indian population go outside even in old times?"

Guruji: "Indians used to go out all the time; they used to roam around the entire world. I feel that if Indians had not been suppressed so much, we would have left a stronger mark on the world scene. You can reference in oldest of old texts, Indians used to rule the sea trade. Only in the last 2000-2500 year things have gone bad. It is also present in the records that we never invaded anybody. Recently I heard a statement from a Chinese general who was visiting India:

'We are sharing a boundary with India for thousands of years but we have never seen a single soldier ever cross the border'."

different countries, nations, India, Pakistan, England, Russia, Ukraine, so many, Romania, Transylvania, and we grew up believing this is our country. But how they came into being? These were old ancient kingdoms, and kings defined their boundaries, and after kings were gone, those areas started to be called countries. So we need to remember that. I hope one day, now it is a democratic plan, maybe the whole earth will become one place for our slaves to live in. This is what I think. I may be wrong. You think also and decide. Thank you.

Q:

and what do You think on that coincidence – or there are no coincidences?

After few days or week after I begin to hear so many comments from the “intellectuals” – those, who are too worried about social reforms and doing good to the society. They begin to criticize me that you’re wasting this milk, it is going into the earth: it should be used for the service of the poor.

I said: I’m extremely impressed that you’re so consent about the poor; and my first question was – how many poor people you have been offering the glass of milk in your entire life so far? This turn out to they will. But they started again; I mean “intellectuals” are in fact pseudo-intellectuals – they are not real intellectuals, they just act like they’re know everything and consult on everybody.

[About Lalu Prasad Yadav]

“Lalu is doing a good job as Railway Minister. He has put a stop to cold drinks in trains, instead they are serving lass and pede (laugh). He is also replacing plastic cups with clay cups for tea. He has also claimed he won’t increase railways fares. Instead, he has increased the penalty five times for not carrying a ticket. He has a vernacular guise but he is highly educated and is extraordinarily intelligent.

On the other hand, Atal Behari Vajpayee is frying pakodas! (laugh). He said that in an interview on TV yesterday, that “I’m spending time in kitchen”. This is funny, lost the prime minister chair and now frying pakodas. Felt like he had lost his mind in the interview. When they asked him what he does these days after finishing his PM term, he said “I make tea and pakode“. (laugh)

"There is a lot of interesting stuff in the newspaper these days. The headline says 'World power being mocked in media and mobile':

- Self Defense, when America attacks Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, without the formal permission of the United Nations. Attack, when Saddam Hussein attacks Kuwait without the permission of the United Nations.

- Freedom of Media, when they show the photographs of the prisoners of the Iraq war on CNN and American reporters investigate them. Violation of Geneva Pact, when the photographs of the prisoners of the American-British combined forces are shown on Al-jazeera and Arab reporters investigate them.

- Attack on America, CNN headline right after the attack on the World Trade Center in new york. Strike on Iraq, CNN headline right after the missile attack on Iraq.

- Terrorism, when New York and Washington are attacked under the planning and orders of Osama Bin Laden. Shock and Awe Tactics, when Bagra and Basra are attacked under the leadership of George Bush.

Finally the hypocrisy of American government is getting unveiled. People are exchanging these jokes in India on their mobile phones. But an average American is just a normal and simple person who wants to have some fun on the weekend."

Q: "Here (USA) in a day-to-day life, it is very easy to ignore all these things. Nobody thinks of what is driving things actually."

Guruji: "Yes, but with growing awareness around the world, it is getting impossible to ignore underlying causes. After all, the entire humanity is one single unit, though we are distributed all over the planet. If something happens in one place, its consequences will be borne everywhere.

I agree that an average person is not aware of this connectivity but it does exist. If you get stung by a thorn in your foot, the entire body feels the impulse which doesn’t even spare the brain. You can not ignore your foot then.

"And I feel this is just the leftover vibrations of Mahabharat. It also happened in the Middle East region, and now it is it is now being taken down again with a war. As you know, when all the vegetation of an area gets burnt due to very high temperature, it gets converted into petroleum. So that is what happened in that area and all that was left was petroleum and sand (desert). So peace will get restored in the world only after the entire petroleum stored in this area will get burnt and destroyed. There will be a sudden peace after that. What happened, does this worry you? (laughs)"

Q: what kind of impact as a personality – if immortals can be called so – can he affect as a Vyasa, rewriting the history of a human kind…?

Guruji: not only human kind – all kind. First time I’m noticing since Rama have incarnation the living being has descended in a level of human beings. It was never before – they always worship immortal gods, who were in heaven: they just give us rains and we worshipped for that – but now, since Rama, the divinity descended to the human beings. Krishna was born as a human, he was divine; and after Krishna so many yogis and saints have achieved divinity. There is a long list of them. So they must be having the extraordinary support, and I’m sure – that is from Shiva and king Bali. Bali is mentioned – because he is daitya: and the structure of democracy is described in Shukra Vidya, Shukracharya is supposed to be the Guru of all asuras, daityas and danavas. Usually they are supposed like villains against the gods – but they were talking about democracy then! Now the whole world are living in democracy and it will take some more time for refinement and establish democracy – because the effect of monarchy is still on us.

Q: so the first introduction of democracy happened in Vedic times?

Guruji: maybe yes. And Shukracharya was the giver of this. Now king Bali is the king of heaven – and whatever he will decide will come down to Earth. If democracy is there – it means king Bali has already started his work. Originally it is from there.

Q: that is the most important lesson

Guruji: yes.

Q: but so far society worshipping bank accounts more?

Guruji: now, I will say so far, we were just slaves, subjects. Now first time we’re enjoying freedom. Who were starving for centuries – now they have something to eat. Let them enjoy for some time. These things will settle down and they will think more on deeper things in life. Back to subjects: suddenly now they are ruling in democratic way – it will take some time for them to learn how to establish the system, how to follow it. Let’s give them some more time.

Money.

Q: so after vaishya era money will be cancelled at all?

Guruji: when everybody will earn everything – for what you need money? That will be era of absolute discipline. Self-control. And I will say, self-control always be needed.

Q: and approximately, when it start?

Guruji: now there are so many things to sale, and many people have a lot of things to purchase. And the distribution of the wealth is not proper – there is too much underacts – let’s hope it will be much more balanced. Making money is not bad, but everybody should have the opportunity to make it also. Contrast between Somalia and US is dangerous. But it is needed also, that’s why it is there. But when you feel insecure, you want to get under control, because you want to be safe. When someone afraid of you, he tries to control you. But very little percent is smart enough to take care of himself and people around him. Until unless everybody strained to that level – that control become necessary. Every politic, government, even family is here to control you. As long as you are receive money from somebody – you are under control. Employment is system of control.

What is your opinion about collective consciousness?

Guruji: We are seeing the demonstration of collective consciousness every day: in every election a leader is chosen by collective consciousness. Business is driving because some collective consciousness people are buying those products. Collective consciousness is everywhere!

My friend said that he wants to be a part of the collective consciousness.

Guruji: Then he will have to go to some island and live like Robinson Crusoe.

But then people can use it for their own purposes?

Guruji: They are using it! Smart people are manipulating us.

How to protect from it?

Guruji: For what? You may have your free will. The whole democratic system is depending on collective consciousness.

They are manipulating our subconscious?

Guruji: Everything for business. Look at the word “business”: busy – ness – it keeps human beings busy. That is very important: otherwise we don’t know how much destruction we’ll start doing. We are busy in business.

I’ll tell you my own experience: when I’m totally in business – it’s very exhausting and takes a lot of energy; but if I’m a little bit away – you’re kind of missing out on business and everything: so, what’s the solution?

Guruji: Society was created only for commercial purpose – only trade and commerce. And money makes it very easy: so money is the essence of society. But society provides so many things – free food to hospitals and so many things; it will give you free time to practice whatever you want to do – from music to writing and anything; society provides. You don’t need to be very actively involved in it; but it gives you enough time and opportunities to create your own talent and improve it. It works both ways: people are criticising society – but it provides so much! We must be positive in this thing and think well for it.

You can learn anything…

Guruji: Yes, and if you don’t want to work – you go to any charity and eat. Most of the lions died of hunger when they are old; but here society provides for so many people. It is more good than bad. But even then: you need to be careful.

With the society?

Guruji: In the society! Outside as well. Last night news: the leopard was attacking the dog – he jumped the house boundary wall and took away the dog in the capital city of UP, Lucknow: in the heavily populated area a panther was moving. He was caught on so many CC cameras. In my home town during lockdown absolutely black panthers were caught on CC cameras, entering the city in the night. There was no history of black panthers in that area.

We’re still trying to understand one dialogue: what are you doing? We are fighting for peace. I don’t understand this.

but Mahatma Gandhi was also fighting for peace?

Guruji: no, his motive was different: he was fighting for rights of people there. I think maybe he was successful. And he was not fighting with weapons and guns. We love hero worship. Let the hero come – and he will fight for us and everything will be alright: we all love this thought. Quotation from “Terminator”: it is your nature to destroy yourself. They knew: the nature of human being is so violent: that’s why they were trying to teach them non-violence. To be in extremely violent world: in monarchy time was extremely violent – we cannot even imagine now that violence. And they were practicing non-violence then. That was very serious thing to do, it was the very big achievement.

for India consequences was not so good – of this non-violence?

Guruji: no, they were good.

but muslims invasion?

Guruji: those were king’s time – they were also fighting. All the kings: you become a king by the force of your sword, not with speeches. But then Mahatma Gandhi started something very different, and his non-violence offset the violence of Adolf Hitler: they were contemporaries. Maybe that’s why educated people or intellectual people took notice of this non-violence – because they were suffering with too much violence. Maybe to balance.