Time as the supreme principle: Kaal, the Void and Time

Q: You were also referring that in the times of Lahiri Mahasay the concept of time was not so well-known, so it was impossible to comment Gita from the point of view of time.

A: Now time is essentially observed as it is — the creator, the sustainer and the destroyer. It was not well-known then. But thanks to the advent of Physics and other arts of thinking, now we are becoming aware of the greatness of time. Krishna likes talking as Time, not as Krishna. You have to remember that also.

As a yogi, I will say that everything is the manifestation of time. And the whole creation is working like a clock. Different species are like seconds and minutes and hours, all the cultures. Bodies also called a sentence of time. They just count inside a particular field of time, that’s where they are taking birth.

Just try to imagine that you go to the atom and you also pass it and tremendous energy is experienced, atomic energy. But somehow if you are able to use the void, and do the same thing that you are doing with the atoms, you will create too much energy which can animate the whole creation.

I think the next step of physics is going to realize is the power of the void. So far they have not studied it because nobody sees void. You see there is empty space between us but you are looking at me, I am looking at you. You rarely notice the void. But with progress and yoga you will become conscious of that and may be even to use it. And just imagine the power of the time which is even more subtle than void. We experience it all the time but we don’t know the exact nature of time.

And just imagine if your consciousness is merged with the time — then you will know everything. Past, present and future will have no meaning for you. You will see time as one. I think this is the essence of my commentary on Gita . Do you remember the 11th Chapter when Arjuna is saying: “I am bowing to you from the front, from the back, from every direction”. What does it mean? When you see time you will see everything in the past, in future and in present.

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And time was the creator of void, space — because a word is heard only as a property of empty space. If there is no empty space you will hear nothing. The word was created by time because it created emptiness and the word is one of the main properties of emptiness. The empty space is the basis of life.

TO CHANGE YOUR PAST

if the Time is stable, static – it could be seen in the moment like present, past and future?

Guruji: yes: like the ocean – it is not going anywhere but there are so many streams inside it.

You talked about surrounding the souls to the unknown and unseen god – like people do in different religions; in Gita, in 17 th chapter, in 18 th chapter Krishna said – come to Me, kneel in front of Me, surrender yourself. Nobody see It, except Arjuna?

Guruji: no. he asked – who are you? And the answer was “ I am Time”. Simply means – surrender to the Time. Know about it, learn about it.

people who read Gita nowadays have so many different interpretations; nobody submitting themselves to Time?

Guruji: they should read it as he introducing Himself as Time. Why don’t they take it literally? Submitting to Time – or to flow with the flow of Time by understanding it.

it means also to submit also to changes of your body, to accept the ageing process?

Guruji: in submitting process ignorant things are not enough – you need to understand, what exactly are happening. Then Time Himself is saying: whoever is trying to stop old age and death, taking refuge in me – will know exactly, what are karma, what is spirituality. These things are like a practical riddle: if you’re able to slow down your ageing somehow – you will become more intensely of the flow of Time. Simple man ageing normally – he will never be aware of that, it is just happen with him naturally.

most people are taking “submitting to the Time” like time-travelling, like appearing and disappearing again?

Guruji: no, it’s just very small part of it. Submitting to the Time is to actually understanding it and also to accept: whatever you’re doing, anything – the result will come only through Time. This understanding is also a way of submitting yourself. Time is the giver of every type of result. Time maybe the unit, which unites us. So instead of having different religious programs stub in your head you must read Gita with very-very open mind. I’m not saying that only my commentary is good – for me that is of course good – but you should read the literal translation with very open mind and draw your own conclusion. The word “yoga” repeated maybe more than 700 times in Gita – it’s a book on yoga. And even it make so big debate to make some bhaktas understand - this is a book of yoga. We call it “Shrimad Bhagavat” local – Shrimad Bhagavatam. First volume about 68% describing yoga – but it’s considered as a book on bhakti. But we should not argue with them. Let them be happy.

the book on yoga not produced so many yogis among the readers of this book?

Guruji: I think awareness takes thousands of years to develop. What is yoga – nobody knows exactly. Few postures, few asanas? – just a hint of yoga. After 37 plus years of very regular practice and 40 years in touch of yoga I can say – it’s a very mysterious sign.

can we say that awareness rises – because yoga became most popular in last 20 years?

Guruji: I think it’s a very good positive thing. Even if somebody is practicing yoga postures – the body language has a profound effect on your mind. I think that person who is only into postures, fitness program – his mind will be affected with the body language. So it gives us hope. Not everybody, who goes to gym becomes Mr. Olympia - but their condition will definitely improve. That is the main thing.

First time – about knowing the Time – were written down; though never before in any religious book. Read any commentary in Gita – maybe they are 23-25 so far: nobody discusses Time. Even though: Krishna is answering – I am Time; nobody- it even doesn’t register in their mind.

one religious person said that in Your commentaries on Gita there is only Time; but where is love?

Guruji: even love needs Time to grow more deeper. The whole world is asking this question: what is love? Bollywood songs – hats off to them: there is a song – how you will know the philosophy of love? You will never been in love. The more they discussed love – that means they have not experienced it.

One more point: supposedly – because people are differentiating between Prana and Time: for us it is one and the same. If you don’t have enough time: what prana will do inside? It is the Time, which is keeping you alive. If you have enough time – you have a lifetime: that is Prana.

yesterday I’ve read Your comment on Gorakhbodh: it was about the carriers of the consciousness of Prana; that was the question and answer: that even if it will be no Prana at all – the Void will continue to exist? But if Prana is Time, and their consciousnesses are merging into each other?

Guruji: he was not asking about Prana in that total way; he was asking about lifeforce: if lifeforce will not be there – Void will continue to exist. You remind me another Bollywood song: the gathering in the festival of life in this world will continue even if I’m not there. So, life will continue – same way. The words “Prana” and “Time” can be used in so many ways.

but can the Void exist without the Time?

Guruji: you cannot draw a line: that’s why it is described as Ardhanarishwar. Maybe I was the first who call him Ardhapurusheshwar as well.

it is like non-existing Prana exists in the Void?

Guruji: if it is not existing – it is your personal view! But the world will continue same way. And it will be in the Void.

also they mentioned that Prana like phenomena came from some another direction, which is beyond the carbon?

Guruji: they say Shiva appeared from somewhere, yes. Out of this system – and took over the Creation. If you read the story – it looks like it.

could we say that Time appeared from somewhere, from another direction?

Guruji: maybe: that’s how the Creation begin. Whatever you do- you need some time to do it and to reach the result what you are doing; Time is the unity, Time is everything.

could we say that Time and Void were coming together from another dimension?

Guruji: you cannot even imagine any dimension without Void and Time. Everywhere you need some space. What do You think of Time? I told that Shiva is worshipped as Great Time, Mahakaal. And he has a son, Kartikeya. He was born without any woman support. Putra vayi atma asu: the son is extension of the father. And Kartikeya has 6 heads. That brings us to a very deep conclusion: it is six expressions of the Time he is embodied. We are experiencing only one line of Time: past, present and future. People say they are three – but I will say it is just one line. There has to be 5 more different expressions of Time. We need to discover them. symbolically he is telling this – 6 lines of Time. Past, present and future: and then 5 more.

THE FIRST REALIZATION OF EMPTINESS AND TIME

when You described Your first experience of samadhi, You told us about amazing details of the smell of humanity; but what about human thoughts?

Guruji: that was the smell of their thoughts: a chemical reaction to the physical. Every smell comes from the mind. You can smell it on them. Thoughts in the form of smell.

I thought You could read thoughts in that state?

Guruji: you’re too shocked to read anything.

and in the next stage of samadhi, without going into suspended animation: is it possible then?

Guruji: that’s why I like to remain away from outside society.

so even without Your will You could catch someone’s thought?

Guruji: I’ve learned how to insulate myself from it.

have You experienced that Your brain activity influenced the surroundings?

Guruji: it is influencing them.

they changed their behaviour…?

Guruji: …Either they disappear. You cannot insulate your effect.

You told us when You became aware of the consciousness of the Void; does it mean that the consciousness of the Void has some thoughts in it?

Guruji: it’s the ocean of consciousness. Every thought is there.

so the Void is thinking?

Guruji: conscious.

and Time is also conscious?

Guruji: yes.

is it possible to catch separate thoughts there?

Guruji: how can you catch a separate wave in the ocean? Awareness of the Void started in late 1988.

when did You understand that it was the Void? Or was it immediate?

Guruji: of course — I became aware of it!

is it possible to compare it with human consciousness: that it has thoughts, emotions, feelings?

Guruji: less than 2% is very easy: no comparison. We should not compare.

and we cannot say that it’s the depth of the subconscious within consciousness: it’s all one?

Guruji: yesterday I gave a very good answer: do you care for the bacteria living in your stomach? He said — I’m working very hard to keep their kitchen running.

I became aware of the Void in August–September 1988.

how did You feel then?

Guruji: it was impossible to adjust for quite a long time. I couldn’t remain with the family; I had to move out. I had to move away to a bigger space.

and was the Void aware of You at that moment?

Guruji: I think so, yes. It was aware of me from the beginning; but I saw it after I became aware of it. It’s too scary. And it will remain so.

and the awareness of Time: when did it come?

Guruji: very soon after that.

and what is more scary?

Guruji: it’s a close competition. The first emotions are fear and shock.

but they feel like different forces?

Guruji: yes, you are able to see them separately.

interesting, can they both be perceived like Ardhanarishwar?

Guruji: this understanding came much later. After 2 years — or maybe even 3–3.5 years. Even if you go through some experience, it will take years to understand it. By discussing intellectually, no understanding comes.

so those forces recognized You when You recognized them?

Guruji: that’s the beginning of the problem: when they see that you are aware of them.

could You say that they became happy?

Guruji: I think they just accept it. Or I was too small to see the depth of what they were feeling.

then and now: is Your awareness different?

Guruji: it is much deeper, yes.

so maybe now You can say more about their reactions and feelings?

Guruji: they are taking good care of me. (smiling)

but it’s amazing — to talk about the feelings of the Void and the feelings of Time!

Guruji: I think they made me talk. I was not talking at all before. And we are not worshipping the past either: we have learned a lot from the past, but we are not worshipping it. It’s the first step towards realizing the present moment. Atit Ghat: never forget that word!

Guruji, when You realized the Void and Time: was it simultaneously outside and inside Your body?

Guruji: no, first outside. Even though I became aware of them in the first experience of samadhi, I was not able to diagnose what they were; that came later. The body represents Void and Time; God is inside my heart, my spirit is inside me: that means God, the spirit, the Void and Time are part of my physical existence — that is another big realization. So physical existence is not just physical existence: it carries everything inside. That’s why it is so interesting and important!

when the yogi is established in the present moment, his body no longer represents the past — so he is like frozen in time?

Guruji: by then, I think most of his chemical compositions will become different. His DNA will be clean. The present moment is in all time: in the past and future also; he will be aware of everything!

when You felt these two forces inside Your body: how was it?

Guruji: when you are aware of these things — aware of where they are — that gives you a very different perspective on so many things.

could You differentiate in Your body: this is Time and this is space?

Guruji: now I can see that.

when Kalabhairav first appeared — was that the moment when six lines of Time were created?

Guruji: they were already inside Time; then slowly we discovered that. We are still not aware of how many timelines there might be. These six are the basic ones.

all the creatures that disappeared after the Mahabharata — like rakshasas or gandharvas — maybe they just shifted to another timeline?

Guruji: from the science-fiction point of view, it may be a possibility.

so there are six main timelines and billions of other timelines?

Guruji: six are on Earth: Earth is the crossroads where the six lines are crossing.

does every one of these six lines have its own calculation of Time?

Guruji: yes, different. And beyond Earth — there are countless.

about the 15 Kalas of the Moon and the development of the brain — does reaching the 16th Kala grant access to the second line of Time?

Guruji: possibly; because 15 Kalas are the progression of your development: the 16th Kala remains unseen. That is the higher state of a fully developed mind. From this point of view, it will remain unseen.

what is time?

Guruji: for this you are need to practice Kriya yoga for a very long time – then you will become aware of it. Only with yoga you can know the nature of time and void and yourself. Everybody is experiencing time in their own way. But the main thing is how time experiencing us.

VASTNESS OF THE OCEAN OF THE TIME

“Upanishadas of immortality” are going even deeper in explanation of the technics from Hatha Yoga Pradipika. Sometimes when we discuss – the mind isn’t ready to register it, so it’s better to record and re-read. Then come back to the discussion – but on another level.

Could You please elaborate on this question, because I couldn’t get the meaning of Your answer?

Guruji: That simply means- after hridaya granthi bhed is already aware of the Void and you also have realized that the Void is conscious; then you go even deeper into it and you begin to merge your own consciousness into the consciousness of the Void.

Then you’re becoming aware of the Time in it’s essential swarupa – or as it is; and you realized, that it has its own consciousness, which is too deep to actually fade up; but the glimpses will begin, like the waves in the ocean; and gradually you will go deeper and deeper into the consciousness of the Time.

Then Omkar Kriya in Yoni mudra may be taught: you’re touching death threshold, opening the door a little, looking on the other side and closing the door and coming back again. Small slip – and you’re there, no coming back. So it’s a dangerous situation. We need to actually feel the vastness of the ocean of the Time; we’re just a small minuscule part of it.

Then the chapter continues and conversation goes into faith: the faith of three types. The question is: is it applicable only on an earthly level, the faith as it is; or it also states in the consciousness of…

Guruji: It will go a long way, yes. Wherever your existence will be – this will be there.

So your consciousness defines the state of your belief, your faith?

Guruji: Everything. Every belief or faith is just a play of your consciousness. It continues.

…I’ve written much about Time, consciousness of the Void and consciousness of the Time also. And I’ve even show the way how actually realize these things.

TO FEEL THE TIME

Well, we believe that the spirit or soul is just a drop of time.

And the body, the physical body, is a sentence of time.

Like a person gets a sentence in a prison for a particular timeframe.

So the spirit comes into the physical body to go

through a certain timeframe.

Because as Spirit – they are infinite.

And the infinite power simply will not feel Time, unless it is shortened and crumbled into one

short space.

And that is the physical body.

So they come down to feel Time essentially.

This is what I think.

There is another point here: every educational program or every subject is study of Mother Earth on different angle; another thing is Time and Void, Shiva and Shakti: your body is 99,9% is Void: when you will realize it and when you will invoke this Void and when it will merge with the Time; then they will be together forever and you will start absorbing Time.

exactly that Void, which is inside us?

Guruji: it is inside us and outside us, but because it is inside us it carries the different identity – supposedly, ornamental “identity”: otherwise Void is Void. And if you are somehow able to recognize it - they will be together.

so first you will recognize the inner Void…

Guruji: first you will recognize, then you will realize that it’s conscious; then you’ve become conscious of that Void; then the consciousness will meet; then a different chapter will begin. Simply recognizing is not enough. You recognize Michael Jackson – but he doesn’t know you.

it begins from the perception of the Naad?

Guruji: it is the first step towards the consciousness of the Void.

FROM DUST TO DUST: FROM TIME TO TIME

We’re always behind the Time. Very few people are supposed to be contemporary people. We’re always behind. What you understand in this word – Time?

I will paraphrase bible here: in bible they are saying – out of the dust you have come and to the dust you shall return one day. But I will say: out of the Time you have come and to the Time you will return one day. In the beginning was Time, and the Time was God. Time is the Creator, Time is the Sustainer and Time is the Destroyer.

You need to develop your understanding, the Time consciousness – that only very serious practice of yoga will develop. You see, most of us – of course, we are conscious, but this consciousness is not enough, so we’re not be able to understand immediately by reading a certain word or hearing certain word the totality of that particular word, the sense of it. That’s why we need to work to develop our mind; our consciousness will expand beyond our physical limitations – than some glimmer of understanding will start. Till then – it is study; information is there, so many people have said things about that, they written so many things about it; - ok, we read, and we think by reading certain words – somehow we understanding them. But what are words? We’re trying to express the formless thought by making particular sound which we begin to call “words”. Because words are heard – they become more primary and the thought, which is formless, going to background. And we never understand, what the writer is trying to say. Because the writer or the person, who is talking about things, is talking from the certain level of understanding. When we read something, when we hear something – we try to understand from our level of understanding, which is usually mismatch – so often it is misunderstanding. That’s why first thing: develop yourself, develop your mind, and let it lie in your mind and one day you will understand, you will realize.

Even in quantum physics – if you look at it from that point of view. Not a single physist is saying that there maybe three other aspects of Time.

Scientists re-discover what exists already. Never create something. But that is a good way for discovering the truth. In a way – it’s a very good process, exactly like Sankhya yoga. They keep recognizing the creation; and finally when they have recognized everything, what will remain – has to be the creator. I think they are moving in the right direction.

our past life remembrance: is it involving the spirit somehow?

Guruji: it is your consciousness: spirit simply gives you life. But it may carry some memories. Consciousness has its own personality – but most part of it is dormant.

I have a disciple – elderly person from Lucknow; he has very great sense of humour. He was saying: Guruji, when I’m in a very depressed mood – I call my wife and ask her – please, start criticising somebody. She start criticising – and suddenly my mood is good. It’s a good remedy!

He is Pasha; but there are millions of cells in him, millions of bacteria – and they are all part of his personality, subdivisions. More minor things you will understand – you will see so many different things in it.

We have a word in India: sukshmajagat – most of the people translate it as the astral world; but it you look at it from that point of view – it maybe the world of viruses and microbes. They are ruling. Maybe god is a minutest of microbes – sitting somewhere, controlling everything. “Sukshma” is very minute. I was talking about six lines of Time: and we have even not enough imagination to give a name to it. What can be beside past, present and future?

what we discussed yesterday – the gap in between the births – it maybe the fourth line?

Guruji: we can call it – but it is the moment of the present, because body represents the past.

When you are out of the body – your past is behind you, you’re in the present and you’re free to choose a new future. So you’re in the moment of present.

if we reach the full state of khechari – as it said in Hatha Yoga Pradipika?

Guruji: then you will be experiencing samadhi.

it’s different perception of the time?

Guruji: definitely! Then only you will become conscious of the Time and conscious of the Void: that’s how it will come.

even in the first part – when we’re going to the suspended animation?

Guruji: in first samadhi I was not aware of the consciousness of the Void : it started 5 years later, again. First experience is very shocking! You need to sort of recover from it. And then ,when it starts again, then you’re in a different frame of mind.

when it started again You were also going into suspended animation?

Guruji: of course, yes.

and You can perceive another Time then?

Guruji: first time you’re to shocked to register it. Only later these things come.

so the understanding of the Time is possible even before reaching Rudra granthi bhed?

Guruji: I think it grew in me: these 6 lines of Time I was not knowing when I was doing Gita’s commentaries. This is a prasad from smashan. It doesn’t mean that when you have written something – you stop learning: it continues!

Guruji, don’t You want to write more commentaries on Gita?

Guruji: no! even that nobody understands. No more comments.

the Time in its totality can be perceived only by 100% activated mind?

Guruji: in totality I think only then. And when Time acceptsyou also. Acceptance from Time is very important here.

in samadhi past present and future are one and the same?

Guruji: you recognize that whole Earth and your body just simply representing the past. One man asked me in Gwalior: how we can choose a new future? I said: simply by changing your body. To leave one past behind – you’re in the present state; and with some help you may decide a new future for yourself.

when we’re talking about Time we are saying it’s the Light of all Lights or the Greatest Light…

Guruji: in Hindi the word is “samay”. When we looked at dictionary, Sa is one of the names of Shiva. So “samay” means Shiva maya, only Shiva. That’s why Shiva is worshipped as Time in India, Mahakal – the Great Time. Let’s say Time is the origin of everything and also the end of everything. We can paraphrase bible here: out of the Time you have come - and to the Time you shall return one day. In the beginning was Time and the Time was God. When everything is gone – Time will remain. Time shall remain!

could we connect it with the inner light which we see – with our spirit?

Guruji: why not? In 11th chapter of Gita it is a description of its physical form. Think from a different point of view: inside your body there are millions and billions of bacteria and atoms also. Suppose a virus is so small, he is standing on the proton of an atom which is inside you; when he will look at you – what he will see? He will see galaxies, skies, stars – but he will not be able to perceive you as a human form. That’s how we were looking at Universal Form. We’re too small!

but this Universal Form can be bacteria in another body?

Guruji: anything is possible: here is no limit. Naiti, naiti – this is not the end. But best thing, which Hindus had given to the world: no matter what you learn and what you conclude, they say – naiti: this is not the end. More to learn, keep going. This is the best thing I’ve ever come across, in any philosophy. This is not the end, there is more to learn.

Wife of “man” is “mani – money”.

again about the Time: if we see from the point of view something small into something small into something small and creation into the creation and so on; so which creation Brahma has created?

Guruji: well, Hindus and Indians have very different opinion: there is incident in Yoga Vasishtha: rishi was sitting and the woman come, asking for his help. She said: my husband has not talking with me – please come and intervene. Rishi Vashishtha agrees and the woman goes flying and enters the very minute pebble: and there was whole creation. And Brahma was supposed to be the husband, who was going to the final samadhi; and annihilation of the world was about to take place. Then Shiva starts tandava and Shakti, Kali is supporting Him. We believe, that in the minutest of the minute particle - whole creation is inside that. From micro to macro – the variety of creation has to be there. Whoever is creating – has very great and vast imagination.

but what was the primal creation?

Guruji: that we’re trying to find out.

THE GREAT CALCULATION OF TIME

The great calculation of Time is there: I will just give you one example.

Muladhar chakra – they say Brahma is there; and one day of Brahma the Creator is 4.32 billion years, and his complete life is 100 years – of this time.

Then they move to swadhistahan chakra: people say Vishnu or Krishna is a presiding deity there; 100 years of Brahma is one day of Krishna or Vishnu. 100 years – life span of them also.

Then you go to Manipur chakra, where we find Rudra: 100 years of Krishna or Vishnu is 1 day of Rudra.

Then we move up to another chakra: Ishwa Rudra is there. 100 years of Rudra is 1 day of Ishwa Rudra.

Then we move up to vishuddha chakra: Sadashiva is there – the 5-headed form of Shiva. 100 years of Ishwa Rudra is just 1 day of Sadashiva.

Then we move up: there is Shiva. 100 years of Sadashiva life span is just a million part of narrow second of the Shiva, whose time we cannot calculate.

That connection is already there. you just need to look inside, not in the galaxy. Indians are saying: yat pinde tat Brahmand: whatever is in the body – is also in the Creation or Universe: it’s a miniature form of it. That’s why self-realization considered so important: when you will realize yourself – you also discover so many mysteries of the Creation and the Universe at the same time.

I AM THE TIME

The thing Gita’s readers keep missing: when Arjun asked – who are you? He said: Time, I am Time. It means your mind should remain focused on Time.

but my mind is very busy…

Guruji: let it be busy. It is not the machine which you can switch off and on at your will. It will take it’s own time for calming down. Keep practicing: that’s why you practice.

so we try to focus on Time itself?

Guruji: this is what Gita says. We read about Time in Mahabharat also: this was the first time, Time himself was speaking through Krishna. As it generally goes always; if asked – where should I go? And someone pointed the direction – and people begin to worship the finger. That’s how most of the things happens.

we should refer time with the capital letter?

Guruji: Time with the capital T or without capital T will remain Time. And this tea ( in clay glass ) is better. Time is the only thing you have – in very limited way. So use it wisely. This is the tragedy or the best thing for us: we all have very limited time. Since Shailendra Sharma started to talk about Time – it is 28 years now – before life expectancy was less; after we discussed about Time and did a commentary on Gita – the life expectancy of human beings has increased. You read the data; it’s just an observation. And if you look on old photographs – Victorian times, or even 20-30-40 years back: people were looking more old and more maturing then. Nowadays they are looking much younger. Since we started to discuss Time – this effect I can see. Something has changed: look at photograph in sequence. Even look at the ladies: they are looking very different now. After 92 – very different, before 92 – very different.

But I ’ m very happy that it happened. If Babaji had not visited me, I don ’ t think that the experience would have repeated itself. And the Time and the Void ideas and concepts started to reveal themselves there, on the farm.

First, after maybe more than 20 Samadhis, I began to be aware of the Void – it was surrounding, it was everywhere. I could see that, I could feel that there was another world.

And the Time was woven into it.

In the cities this sensation, this understanding could not come – such concepts were far away. Too many disturbances.

SECOND SAMADHI: WE LIVE A SINGLE LIFE

After my second Samadhi, when the regular series of suspended animation became my “ routine”, I was becoming aware of the Void and its vibrant consciousness; I was actually feeling it everywhere; then you “ notice” people moving inside of the vibrating Void without even knowing about it… That was another disturbing observation. “ What ’ s happening? Why no one is aware?” They ’ re just moving inside of it, and it ’ s inside of them as well. That was something indescribable. Realization of nature of the Time also started to come.

Before this experience I was not bothered with development of the brain or concepts of subconscious and conscious; then it started to become very important. Not that my own brain has developed quite a lot, I would say 2.00001 percent, maybe. But it made a lot of difference.

SAID SOMETHING ORIGINAL

Buddha was talking about the Void – but not about the consciousness of the Void: how this term came into being?

Guruji: oh, it just came. It just started. This is fantastic: these terms has never been used in the history of humanity. That means I’ve said something very original. To recognize it will take time; we love to worship past: so when few centuries are gone – then people will start to notice.

when You start to recognize the consciousness of the Void – Your own consciousness are fully awaken on 100%?

Guruji: I don’t know – I’ve just begin to be more aware.

how You understand, what it is?

Guruji: just like that(clicking fingers) – oh my god, this is it.

it start to communicate with You?

Guruji: sometimes, yes. What is this house – or any house? It is just a simply small effort to catch the certain piece of Void inside, which we call house or home. Our own space. These are too big things – and this also doesn’t register whoever is listen: that these terms has been never mentioned in the history of humanity. Nobody register this. Let’s say it’s our contribution to yogic wisdom.

And I think it all begin with my first parikrama: maybe Govardhan Maharaj himself inspired me to do that. How many people you know, who said something absolutely original first time in the history of humanity?

You know someone who talked about even consciousness of the matter before?

Guruji: no, nobody said. And nobody said how matter is taking birth: out of the union of conscious Time and conscious Void conscious matter takes birth. Nobody said it before. It is in the preface of Shiva Sutras. One line – and you know how it is happening. My commentaries are very precise and direct.

what people see when they read Your commentaries?

Guruji: very difficult to say. For me this is the most difficult thing in my life to understand that someone’s teaches. And yes – one man also commented that I’ve really quoted anyone else in my commentaries. In Gorakhbodh – some Gorakhnath; otherwise nowhere.

can we say that first we come to know about consciousness of matter?

Guruji: wherever the mind will develop – you will begin to be aware of these things. But it all begin after first meeting with Babaji Maharaj. Till then these thoughts were not in my mind.

first You become conscious of the Void, then the consciousness of the Void?

Guruji: then – matter, after.

why this way?

Guruji: this is human nature: you always look outside of you, we rarely seen inside of us.

after consciousness of matter – only then consciousness of Time?

Guruji: consciousness of Time begins simultaneously with the consciousness of the Void. Then I realize, how matter is coming into being. But still I think – it’s just a hint if understanding: real understanding is still waiting. Sometimes I wonder, what type of image I’m going to have? I hope the good one.

interesting that to understand the basics – consciousness of matter – first you must understand the higher?

Guruji: that’s true. To know grassroots level is the very great wisdom.

is it possible to see prana?

Guruji: seeing with your mind is much more easier than seeing with your physical vision. If you will be able to see some things; when you go out of your body and your vision is not depending on the physical instruments – then a different type of vision you will have. In that state you will be able to see some of the elements in their true state and even beyond that. As long as you are limited in your physical case and physical instruments- the limitation will remain. Out of the body experiences are important for that; and also to expand your consciousness beyond your physical limits – as I keep stressing in most of my works – is very important. Dependence of the physicality will be no more- and you will began to see.

what do You think, when the yogi reaches the level of the development when he is near to awake his Kundalini: in that state he already can see prana and apana and how they go?

Guruji: no, it will come much later. When he will be near that level he will be already beyond care about these things. He will be attached to the essence of the words, not the word. Prana – is just a word to us; but such advanced personality will be understanding the essence of this word. That is absolutely different thing, different phenomena.

First we must understand ourselves, understanding of Void will come later.

Void is the same Void which is discussed in Buddhism?

Guruji: it is discussed in Yoga also. Buddha also discuss it. He said “shunya” – and shunya is a synonym of the word “void” in English. After 2000 years when Buddha said “shunya” Shailendra Sharma came along and said: ok, there is Void; but remember – it is also conscious. You must become aware of it’s consciousness. Don’t stop there: beyond Void is Time: it has its own consciousness. So we have said more than Buddha said.

before you become conscious about existing the consciousness of the Void – first you will feel…

Guruji: first you will feel the presence of the Void; much later some understanding of the consciousness will come. It’s a very profound deep experience.

when You describe Your first experience of Samadhi – it was like catching or touching the consciousness of other people?

Guruji: yes, locally. Consciousness is always consciousness – gross or subtle: matter consciousness or Void consciousness – we begin to understand the potence of consciousness because it is everywhere. From matter to Time consciousness is a common thing( smiling) – Matter, Void and Time. When your awareness will increase – you will become aware of that things. He will not worry about what is necessary and what is unnesseccary: awareness is awareness.

From micro to macro – matter is everywhere. Even though we experience matter in our day-to-day life – but it’s impossible to imagine about matter: because it also has a form and still remain formless. From a smallest of the small particle to a biggest of the biggest galaxies – Matter is everywhere. First you become conscious of it and then you become conscious of the Matter itself, then its consciousness; then when you recover a little bit of your amazement and surprize – then you begin to see, which power is holding Matter in itself. Then you become aware of the Void: empty space is holding Matter; and then you are so surprised by this extraordinary thing which remains unseen – but still so powerful that it is holding every Matter in its lap – from minutest particle to the biggest of the galaxies: then you become aware of its consciousness. So: consciousness from Matter to Void: you’re becoming aware of the consciousness because it is everywhere. Then when you have recovered a little bit from first initial shock of the vastness of it – then you begin demely to be aware of the consciousness of the Time, then it’s own consciousness. Common thing which I notices: consciousness is from smallest of the particle level to the Time: consciousness remains. Then you will begin to be more attentive to the consciousness itself. After you have gone through everything- biggest of the biggest thing and minutest of the minute thing: then you’re shocked – to see that consciousness is everywhere. Maybe consciousness is the real Creator- whatever name you want to protocate. Here to there, everywhere – it is there. In every single being, in every particle of Matter, in holder of the Matter, the Time – consciousness is everywhere. We need to be more respective to our own consciousness. Very simple observation( laughing)

We start by developing our own consciousness, then our awareness about omnipotent presence of the consciousness will start. That’s why I keep stressing: develop your mind, develop your brain, try to make your subconscious conscious: this is the only tool you have. Develop it!

SIX LINES OF TIME

So many talks now are happening about Time: physicists, quantum physicists, theoretical physicists – they are all discussing Time for quite some time. They said that Time has three ways: past, present and future. So much has been said about the speed of Time- whether it’s moving fast or slow.

My point of view: I was asked – what is Your point of view about Time and its different experiences; we said: we are yogis. Shiva is worshipped as embodiment of Time itself. That is one thing; next thing comes: he has a son, who was just born from a semen, Karttikeya. He has six heads.

In India we believe: putra ve atma asu: son is like father himself; Shiva himself took birth as Karttikeya: genetic records are carried forward as his son. We can safely conclude here – it’s an idea for the scientists and physicists, they should think on that: Karttikeya is the son of Shiva, Shiva is being worshipped as Time itself in India. We experience only the past, present and future, but Karttikeya has six heads: that means that there are at least five other dimensions or different expressions of Time, which still remain unknown to us. So we should think about this and we must try to discover them.

This is what I think – please, you also think.

Past, present and future: this is only one line – because we take birth, live life and die one day: so we think we are experiencing three forms of Time – but it is a singular line, which we are travelling and experiencing. This is my thought of a yogi – or a normal man Shailendra Sharma – that there must be at least five more lines of Time, which we need to discover. This is what we believe: you also think!

There are things between heaven and Earth – of them man cannot even imagine.

If the realized yogi could hold his identity after his death…

Guruji: He will say: I never die – I just changed the body.

Does it mean that he will perceive the second line of the Time?

Guruji: I think so. Somebody was very sad, because a very loved one departed. He’s a good yogi – so he could understand what I was trying to say. You both have been separated and she’s gone – but in that particular time frame you will continue to live with her eternally. If you time travel, move into the past – you will again be with her. In that particular time frame you will continue to be together, remember that. If you move on – she’s still there. It is on record forever. Time is forever: every incident, which is taking place in time – forever. Focus on the particular time frame – you’re here. It is true even from a science fiction point of view.

DROP OF TIME

there ( Alakh Niranjan ) all the elements were also created?

Guruji: we don’t know, who created them: they are supposed to be eternal – beginningless and endless. Eternals! Because we take birth and die - so it is human program, that we see the beginning and the end, creation and annihilation at the same time. But there are forces – they just happened, we don’t know, how. And the are eternals: go on and on and on. It’s very mysterious creation, and such things are beyond creation.

but that forces – they maybe the part of the other forces?

Guruji: maybe the drop of Time. Swatmarama writes: the body is the sentence of Time. So the eternal Time has a drop, comes and feels a certain time frame inside the body. Poetically we can say that. The drop is not changing: the sentence of Time is changing, physical body.

why this sentence is changing so much? If we took Ramayana – they were living at least for 700 years or more?

Guruji: that time is gone; and the spirits have already experienced that.

now they need shorter period for experience?

Guruji: still we don’t know, what program they are coming. Maybe all the things are happened simultaneously at the same time. That’s why simple thing is there: and they come ok in this time frame you go and in that time frame you go. Everything is happening at the same time. Never forget the six lines of Time!

if the five elements are the same, why so different time frames?

Guruji: every frame has different varieties and flavour.

if we took even Mahabharata: Bhishma’s life span

Guruji: he was 180 and Dronacharya was in his 5th century: he was very old.

but nowadays we hardly could find even people around 127

Guruji: those days are gone: even if you touch 100 – it’s a very-very-very big achievement.

but elements are the same? Or even they changes?

Guruji: maybe the program is different. Elements are same.

PURE THOUGHT OR IMAGINATION

what is the difference in tuning of the image and really going into the energy of something?

Guruji: you’re going into the essence of the image and that will take you beyond energy, take you to the formless thought. That will be the state of pure thought. Then after pure thought you have experienced – then you also begin to see from where that pure thought appearing; then you will become conscious of the Void, which is literally means Shakti; then you will also realize – the Void is not just a void, it has its own consciousness; your consciousness will develop and you will tune your consciousness with that. Then you will also realize – this is not the end of the journey, because Time is even beyond the Void and it has its own consciousness- so the journey will continue.

For understanding that you need to stretch your imagination. Imagination is the very potent force, very great power. It’s up to you, how you use it.

MOMENT OF TIME

When your mind is developed to a limit, or unlimit, and you realise the essence of Time, Void and their consciousness,

maybe then Time will grace you and grant you moment of himself, and then you become the proud owner of moment of Time, the most precious thing in all creation.

After that it will act as a boat, riding that you maybe able to cross the ocean of Time.

If Time will grace you with the moment of Time.

Gautama Buddha said: void, shunya – and went silent. After more then 2000 years Shailendra Sharma said: there is Void, but Void is also conscious. When you will become aware of the consciousness of the Void – you will also know there is Time beyond Void, and Time also has a consciousness.

If I’m allowed to boast – no one said it before. But it will take another 2000 years for humanity to actually become aware of this fact. By then we will be beyond carrying.

And who can criticize or go against this statement which I made in Gita: many people speculate, what was there before creation.

Yogi knows: what was before creation – it was the womb of Time. And when the time was wright – the creation took birth. When the creation will be over – only Time shall remain.

Biblike thing: in the beginning was Time and the Time was God. Out of the Time you have come and to the Time you shall return. This body is nothing – but the sentence of Time. Body was given to you – and you will feel the certain period of Time. In the Void it’s a different thing. But in the combination of 5 elements you can feel Time. As we just said: the purpose of life is to pass the time – or maybe to understand it also. You agree? Keep thinking.

TRAVELLING WITH TIME

Bhagavad Gita 15 th chapter, 15 th shloka: the Time is the cause of decay of the memory and the wisdom?

Guruji: with time everything goes – until unless you’re practicing yoga; then you will go with Time .

so they will develop or stay on one level?

Guruji: they will continue to develop. It is like tightrope-walking: you cannot remain standing on it – either you move forward or backward to maintain the balance. Yogis keep moving forward; other people either fall or move back.

when the yogi understands the Consciousness of the Time – he will understand 1 day of Brahma, 15 days or Brahma or how?

Guruji: even more than that. 1 day of Brahma is just the smallest unit of Time in its totality. When he will become conscious of the Time and its consciousness – he will begin to understand such huge calculations. He will see passing of many Brahmas as an instant; his time frame will become very different.

he will be travelling in time?

Guruji: he will be travelling with Time.

he will see the whole picture simultaneously and just his attention will move?

Guruji: wherever he will concentrate, focus or take some interest.

but the whole picture will be always with him, from past to future?

Guruji: Time is Time: he will established in the moment of the present. And you will agree that moment of the present was in the past also, now also and in the future also; so he will experience everything simultaneously wherever he will focus. That is supposed to be the very advanced achievement.

I’ve written too much on Time; my all commentaries are based on the Time point of view. If you remember my beginning of Gita, in my first poem I say: holding these yogic things to know Time – how long shall I call alone? And who will listen? Finding me as if I limited in Time – will somebody believe I’m talking something about Time itself?

FOUR TYPES OF FOOD FOR TIME

This whole concept is actually know the essence of Time and to discover the consciousness of the Time and develop your consciousness to the level that you will be able to tune it with the consciousness of the Time. It’s extremely big concept. First time in a human history this thing has been said, never before.

Appreciate Shailendra Sharma: read any commentary – when they come to this shloka, they describe 4 types of food : when you can chew, when you can drink, when you can suck and lick, something like that. But is this food for the Time? I’ve written: 4 types of achievements Time takes as food – everything disappears with the Time, no matter what you have achieved. I like my commentary here.

even moksha disappears with the Time?

Guruji: of course – who will remember you attained moksha?

me at least(laughing)

Guruji: but no one else! Gone with the Time. And all achievements are possible by the help of prana and apana. So I like my commentary; and you can compare my commentary with any commentary you find. This stands separate. And I’m sure – you will agree with this commentary.

Different types of food I can’t accept. But this – fits; from the point of view of the Time only this fits. You must read every commentary and compare this shloka.

what was before vedas – all systems, created by rishis?

Guruji: actually – nobody knows, because it is different cycle of creation. They are saying: when Brahma opened his eyes, he remembered and then begin to create. And then rishis came out and all the mantras were rediscovered again. Astral worlds are always there.

it must be the first Brahma?

Guruji: you can take Time as the creator of everything.

Mother Earth is Death Herself

A. It's an old dream, very terrifying. I saw a large number of people doing Parikrama (circumambulation of the sacred Govardhan hill). I was standing next to a very tall man, barely reaching his waistline. He was totally black and looked extremely horrifying, with no hair and with teeth and nails about four-five feet long. Behind us millions of funeral pyres were burning.

We were merrily talking. Just then, I saw him casually pick up a passing man using his nails as forks, and start roasting him on the funeral pyre behind us, all the while talking to me. The man he picked up started crying loudly in pain. I asked, “If you want to kill him, kill him. Why are you torturing him like this?” He answered, “Until the man's blood boils in his veins and turns blue, it won’t bring out the flavor!” After some time, he ate him and picked up another man in the same way!

It was a very strange dream. It is still very vivid in my memory. Later I found out that when you heat up blood to a certain temperature, it actually turns blue. And the most terrifying thing was what he said about the blood developing a flavor.

I was thinking about this black man from my dream. God of Govardhan Hill is also known as kala devata (black deity). Yamaraj (Lord of Death) is also black, and so is Kaal of Yamaraj.

Q. Who do you mean by 'Kaal of Yamaraj’?

A. Yamaraj is the God of Death, and Kaal is a special messenger of Yamaraj. Kaal is the one who carries the noose. He is totally black and always remains naked. His description is very terrifying. I feel the man I saw in the dream could be Kaal.

Kaal has other meanings as well. One is Time in its entirety. Other is the moment of death, when we say, “Your time has come.” When we read about Kaal, it's actually a description of the personified 'moment of death' – black, with a noose in his hands, etc. I saw this dream around nine years back. It could be a hint regarding events in the future.

. Past, present and future are not conceptions, they are real. A person or a state, or a form, or something formless, but they are there. What is past? Matter is past, because it was created long back. What is Sustainer? Space is sustaining. Empty space is sustaining matter. And time is the great destroyer - that is Shiva.

Q: could you give us the definition of time?

Guruji: I will paraphrase the bible here: out of the time you have come. And to the time you shall come one day. In the beginning was the time, and the time was God. Time is beyond power. What was before creation? It was time. And creation was in the womb of time. And then the time came to the birth of the creation. When it’s time will be over – only time shall remain.

Q: how time can start and be over?

Guruji: because you take birth, live the life and will die one day, so we think that the time will go to an end. But there are much more dimensions, which are not present here. The time is limitless. In Sanskrit the word for time is “samay”. The word “sa” is the one of the names of Shiva. “may” means full of. So time is full of Shiva. And remember: only Shiva is worshipped as Time, the great time. He called Mahakala. Shiva is time himself, and void is Shakti. When time and void comes together – conscious matter takes birth.

Q: the foreword to Gita: about that mystical element…

Guruji: this is a description of Time.

Q: how time can destroy the void? How is possible to destroy nothing?

Guruji: by simply: – you have one thought, and you move it aside and bring on another thought. From outer point of view – destroy one thought and take another one. Thought is somewhere in your mind, and you can make it appear again. If someone observe it, he can say that thought is destroyed. Void is the carrier of all matter, there is 99,9% void in you. Time is very subtle to feel it and to discuss.

" With these yogic principles to know Time,

alone -

How long shall I call

and who will listen?

Seeing me as almost limited in time,

Will anyone believe

that I'm speaking about Time Itself? "

The element, which is beyond both matter and void, which pervades both matter and emptiness and yet is the cause for their destruction, which is beyond everything and still ever-present with us, which is motionless still appears to be moving, which our consciouness experiences in different forms due to difference in our levels, that element which is Time or Kaal was identified as Shiva by the sages. Time is that element which we experience all the time, yet it always seems beyond all experiences. Matter's time is said to be finite. The time of emptiness, which holds matter was also realized by the sages. But who can understand the time of Time, save Time Itself!

Sometimes we contemplate about the time when there was no creation, no universe, no good or bad, nothing; what existed then? Those who have practiced even a little bit of yoga and have been successful in awaking their dormant consciousness realize that what existed then was in the womb of Time and how did it get there, no one except Time Itself can tell. May be that's why sages envisioned Lord Shiva with both male and female principles, as the Ardhanarishwara. This leads us to conclude that Time Itself impregnated Time, and in due course took birth in the form of this creation. When Time's time comes to an end, only Time shall remain...

Shiva, the creator and supporter of the universe, destroys it when its cycle comes to an end. Being Prana of all Pranas of this Creation, Shiva Mahakala, or the great Time, manifests in the human body in the form of Prana.

All embodied things and processes of this world are naturally connected with Shiva-Prana; He exists everywhere yet seems to be non-existent and perceived as Time. Although we constantly feel its flow, Time remains beyond all sensations and limits of our experience. Only those whose consciousness is fully developed by understanding the essence of Time may unite with It. Breath of Life in all beings, Prana is naturally linked to the supreme Tattva – Time. Time manifests Prana, and Prana returns back to the Time, dissolving in It.

Out of the greatness of Time, Conscious Void evinces itself in the form of energy (Shakti), and its creative force supports all things in this universe. Perceptible by the senses, Conscious Matter, or body of this creation, is born out of union of Time and Void.

Everlasting and unchanged, life-giving, creative and fertile Shakti of this material world – Emptiness – is the basis of all movements and actions, occurring in It. Emptiness pervades Time; being the root consciousness of conscious Emptiness, Time Itself pervades the Void.

Great Time Itself is the Prana, or the vital force, of Void and Matter; permeating all existing creation, it always remains transcendent.

Yogeshwari Srimad Bhagvat Gita : A Yogic Commentary

" With these yogic principles to know Time,

alone -

How long shall I call

and who will listen?

Seeing me as almost limited in time,

Will anyone believe

that I'm speaking about Time Itself? "

Guruji (Yogiraj Shri Shailendra Sharma) has written a Yogic commentary on Srimad Bhagvat Gita, published by Siddha Siddhanta Yoga Academy, Govardhan Mathura. While the english translation work is underway, I have included here excerpts from the commentary including a fascinating study of ancient symbolism of Brahma Vishnu and Shiva from the introduction of the book and the beautiful poem above. The english translation will soon be posted on Siddha Siddhanta Yoga Academy website (http://www.siddhasiddhanta.com).