Gita, Time
K: You already had the understanding that the Time concept was there in front of you or…
G: When I moved to my farm and the second samadhi started, this understanding of Matter, Time and Void was there. But I had no idea how to put them in words. So after the first parikarma, I went back and it just poured out. It was not even planned that I was going to write a commentary. It just started and the disciples started to take dictations and the book was done in 21 days.
K: So in fact it was not a text that stimulated you, your own thoughts were rather superimposed on a text which you were reading everyday.
G: I was reading every day, but a different understanding came.
K: And when you get to the chapter where Krishna is revealing his form…
G: He simply said, “I am Time”. And actually there is no commentary which is highlighting this thing that Krishna himself is telling about himself. And that thing stuck in my mind and the whole commentary came out as Time himself is speaking through Krishna’s lips. Because later in the Mahabharat Arjun says please repeat, that I forgot in the heat of the battle. Krishna says – I cannot repeat it; I was in a yogic state at that time, I cannot repeat it again. It looked like Time had spoken through his body.
K: Because Time actually speaks through any avatar; everyone is an expression?
G: Only one time, with Krishna as an avatar. And we find in Ramajaptyrit that Time itself came to see him. To tell him that ‘now your time is up’. Otherwise there is no reference of Time coming.
K: There are no references in the Puranic texts at all?
G: Not much. In the Bhagavat Purana, the sage Maitreya explains that Time is the unmanifested, impersonal aspect of the Supreme. In Time, matter combines into natural material.
K: Guruji, why do you think that the Puranas – not as if it’s escaping them – but why do you think they are not stressing the importance of such a phenomenon? Maybe that the consciousnesses of people were not ready to actually understand what it is that they are trying to say? But this time, no matter how much we criticize society for pollution, and profiteering, still I would insist that there is a much better understanding of these things. Especially about Time, Space and Matter.
“Maitreya says: This cosmic manifestation is separated from the Supreme Lord as material energy by means of kala, which is the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Lord—Srimad Bhagavatam, 3.10.13”
K: But then, again, when Krishna says, “But why do you need this knowledge Arjuna?” when he describes all of his extensive manifestations. Why do you need such extensive knowledge…
G: But he missed this absolutely. I think it was given to posterity; so that maybe someone in the future may be able to understand it or see the depth of this thing. A lot of records have been brought forward of what he has taught.
K: Yes his mission was different, Arjuna was not an academic, not a scholar. His mission was to fight and that’s why he was prepared in the way of a warrior.
G: And he was already aware of the other side of life because he was the son of Indra and he was, for maybe 1 year or six months, living with Indra in heaven. So they were aware that life continues after death but this knowledge of Time and the Void is something that has never been recorded before. To my surprise,
K: Guruji, how do you perceive this chapter, when the Time reveals its true form.
G: Time is everywhere, his mouth is everywhere; he is continuously eating us, licking us and devouring us, while at the same time producing us also. It is actually an extraordinarily overwhelming understanding. People are not aware, so they just don’t know. But once you become aware, you are always aware of this.
No one can escape Time.
Until and unless Time allows it.
Void is mentioned in Yogic texts and the Buddha also mentions it. But the consciousness of the Void is not mentioned anywhere and it is a big surprise to me.
Initially when I discussed these things, people just looked at me in awe, without an understanding of this though. Yet they were mesmerized by the concept or maybe by me, talking about such matters. Now people are taking it more seriously than in the last 20 or 30 years.
Understanding is developing but it takes time.
And the birth of Matter came: and I was able to say that ‘Out of Time and Void, conscious Matter took birth.’ It was a fantastic revelation in understanding.
K: Would you say that only the divine, universal mind, and Absolute itself could have produced such a description as it is given in this chapter of Gita? The number of Divine limbs, eyes, mouths…and many parts …
G: I think that ancients were somewhat limited by the language of their time. So when we say, ‘he is everywhere; his arms are everywhere’ it could be because when you’re stretching out your arm, we say that something’s within reach, it is because it is within the reach of your arm. Space was measured by the ability to reach an object with a stretch of an arm.
K: Nevertheless it is absolutely astonishing, the picture of the Universal Being, which is drawn here.
G: Fantastic, yes.
And again, ‘You have mouths everywhere. Your arms are everywhere”, Time is everywhere. That was the lack of the expressive terms with this phenomenon.
How could Arjun express everything he saw? He was overwhelmed, afraid. Even though he was a superb warrior among many.
K: And the process of Time consuming everything is on. Devouring, crushing, killing, the process is never stopping, it goes on.
G: It continues. That is why we say we are living in Mrytya Loca. But at the same time it is just a process of transformation.
K: So that chapter could not possibly be produced by any limited human consciousness?
G: Impossible; no.
K: Was it written by Time itself?
G: It was a book on Yoga, so I’m sure some extraordinary yogi, Yogeshwar himself, described those things. No one else could even perceive Time. Time is mentioned, fleetingly, here and there. Vyas ji is mentioning it, Athur Veda also, some short bits and pieces… Except for these fragments there is no discussion on time.
K: So it went through quite an amazing sequence. First, by the order of the teachers of the lineage, one is supposed to read the Gita. Then, the thought process starts and the experience comes and it’s superimposed on the knowledge absorbed…
G: It takes years- it took me years just to become aware of what I was reading. Even though we may continue to read Gita automatically, and eventually awareness comes, it still takes years of reading.
Or maybe the visit from Babaji was actually a trigger. I’m sure this understanding came because of his grace.
K: Immortality is a concept of being-one-with-Time…
G: Only Time can allow you this. As I’ve said in Gorakh Bodh, you need to continuously create a Future for yourself; without the help of the Time, it’s not possible.