BRAIN, MIND, CONSCIOUSNESS
we discussed that there is actually two dehis in the body – the spirit and the consciousness?
Guruji: ancient yogis were saying: this body is like a house where Narayana sleeps. Literally it will be translated: he, who sleeps in the water – so the brain is sleeping in the water. and a spirit is considered as a dancer, dancer-girl, who comes, brings life, takes care of Narayana who is sleeping, waiting for the Narayana to wake up; when it doesn’t wake up – it leaves and takes away life also. Narayana finds another body. Body is very mysterious place.
we discussed that consciousness is also type of dehi?
Guruji: but then consciousness is just an expression of the Narayana, of your brain or of your mind. Actually we’re so focused on these terms – mind and consciousness and we keep ignoring the brain, which is the real mystery.
but You told before that the consciousness travels with the spirit from one body to another?
Guruji: yes, as much as it is awake and carries the sleeping thing with it. Maybe the spirit is searching – maybe one day the Narayana wake up and will embrace her.
Narayana is just carrier of the consciousness?
Guruji: we don’t know that. And when we use that word “consciousness” we also need to understand what do you mean by consciousness. It’s very deep thing. And I will say – it’s an expression of your mind, your brain is the seed of that. As your physical body is the seed of the jiva or spirit or whatever term we used.
but the spirit is not the mind itself?
Guruji: no, it’s just giving the life. And takes away life. That is the job.
and the spirit doesn’t care much -what will be with the body, with the life?
Guruji: no. it has a mission or a contract: this time frame it will keep providing life and one day it will just leave without any motive.
but who is driving the body – is it consciousness or is it dehi?
Guruji: you see, we have electric supply here and a generator; spirit is like providing us electricity. How we use that electricity – it’s our decision. Narayana has 2% of the consciousness, who is taking care of the sleeping giant is using the life force.
in this case what is the reason for us to meet the source, owner of the powerplant?
Guruji: if you have enough ambition to go and see the owner of the powerplant – otherwise you will simply pay the bill and that’s it. Every country has president: how many people are ambitious to go and say hello to him? they’re scare even to face him. only the ambitious people, who are strong enough to get an appointment – they do.
it is our consciousness who are trying to meet the owner of the powerplant?
Guruji: yes, what else? Consciousness is the basis of everything.
we can say it’s a mind also?
Guruji: it’s an expression of the mind. The source is mind.
limitless mind?
Guruji: what ocean cannot drown? Ocean cannot drown your mind, it’s much more vaster that the ocean. This is grassroot level bhajan which we hear.
who is taking the decision of embodiment? Spirit or consciousness?
Guruji: no, that’s some higher beings – they’re like your parents deciding which school you will be sent. You’re not in a position to decide which school you will go. We’re not the center of the Universe – there are other people who are helping us – maybe our spiritual parents and this is just a school, we’re here for getting some education.
so it neither consciousness nor spirit decides about the body?
Guruji: no, it’s a big mystery: somebody is deciding.
so our coming here is been decided?
Guruji: yes, you’re in no position to make a decision. Who is in the position to make a decision? It is just a reaction to certain situation we are in. but we love to think – yes, we have a free will, we have a choice. Sadly it is not right. Maybe a little, not much. You think all these people who are sitting here and facing me – they are here just by chance? I don’t think so. It was to happen: creation has its way to bring people together at the precise moment. We just need to understand that work.
but someone is coming to You once, someone is coming continuously – it’s their decision or it was predicted before?
Guruji: it is like attracts like. Some people – they are curious to see me and some people – they are coming for payment for the bill, that’s it. But those, who are interested in the subject and if the find my answers interesting – they come again and again from thousands of miles. That’s a beauty of it: he is from NY, they are from Kiev, you’re from Odessa, he is from Moscow, they’re from Gwalior, he is from Delhi – it’s not simply by chance that we’re sitting together in this room and drinking chai.