The astral world, Goloka and the subtle worlds

Control your imagination and control your thoughts and develop your mind because after death or in the astral it's a mental world like whatever you will begin to think and imagine you will begin to see that also. If you are not trained enough or not a good yogi then you will not be able to differentiate between reality and hallucination. And then problems will begin. So you need to understand exactly the imagination power of your mind and make it strong. And yoga is actually doing it already. So I'm sure everybody's mind is more powerful than an average person. Keep getting more power. Simply imagining that your mind is developing is not enough. Only step-by-step teachings of the yoga

and very good practice and it will actually your brain, develop your brain. So only with enough practice your mind will become very, very strong. And you will be independent in the astral body. That is we should aim for. And the knowledge and the understanding of the astral world is so important. I can refer to the dialogue between Gorakshanath and Matsyendranath. When Gorakshanath became immortal confirmed then Matsyendranath his guru told him Gorakshanath, my son now you have understood everything which is possible in material world, but remember the wisdom of the other world is still

remains. Keep that in your mind. So becoming immortal will make you learn so much thing about the existence, nature, this, this, this. But the wisdom and knowing the other side will remain. So remain prepared. >> [applause]

Guruji: it’s a very simple observation that most of the beings, who escapeed from the astral, - they take refuge in a human body. Wars are triggered - so they will go back again to the astral.

they have to came back to Earth to take refuge from what?

Guruji: from the big astral beings who are trying to punish them and to discipline them.

so it’s mostly criminals and renegates coming?

Guruji: I think so, yes. So they are caught, they are killed in wars, - or they are given dead sentence - so they will again go back to the astral. People are already wait there to arrest them. it is a yo-yo thing: once here - next there.

how much in the proportion of not-criminals spirits are there? I cannot see thousands and hundreds of peopole are all been criminals, punished here by death?

Guruji: Criminals will always remain in a very less percentage - if you just considered the society. Most of the society consists of disciplined people - I mean those, who are afraid to do any criminal activity. Or let’s say - they are good people: by the sweat of their eyebrows they earn their bread.

so that’s a karmic punishment, that in this life they were born here to be killed in war and get back to astral?

Guruji: I think so, yes. Every time human being see a war - something good comes out and they become more mature and they start to understand about the human’s suffering, unneccesary killings…

so, many different souls - men, women, children, old people gets into this mess, whoever loses the life?

Guruji: we have a simple answer to that: it is all because of the karma - that they are put in the certain situation to face it. And also it gives chance to other human beings to feel compassion. They did - and they have a chance to help. Because even a criminal is not 100 percent criminal and good person is not 100 percent good person. So if you are in a position to help someone - please do so. Old systems are breaking, new systems are coming - so we are in between. And it will take maybe a couple of centuries to settle down.

would the resources last that long - resources of the Earth?

Guruji: we need to learn, how to prolong them. How not to exploit - that we need to learn. And again: you’re not taking anything out of the Earth - you just change it, transform it, but essentially the thing remains on the Earth. After some time it will again go back to its origin. We are just taking things, changing them, making them look different, - but they remain on the planet, they never go out; except few satellites but they also dropped again on Earth. Man is not creative enough to create anything on its own. He just take things of the nature and transform them in a different way. if it is our crime - we stand for to take punishment.

Every time when we look at the situation in the world there are different historic intervals which bring different sets of reasons for new wars?

Guruji: yes

You said there is always an astral reason – shift of powers up above...

Guruji: Always : it is their chessboard, the gods and spirits are playing.

the wars are started in the astral world with the goal of punishing escaped astro- criminals, the ghosts which escaped from the astral world?

Guruji: Even that is a game for the eternal beings.

So nobody could escape the astral justice?

Guruji: no, that is obvious.

An incredible stirring and churning of emotions starts in an hour of great pain, in an hour of great trouble and war ?

Guruji: once I I was given a lecture ( when I was going through army training): the topic of which was: war does evil, but it brings out the best emotions. I heard it in 1977 and Have been thinking about it since. And every time I find it to be a true statement. It brings out the best of emotions, even though it causes lots of suffering and sacrifices. Try to imagine the emotions of the soldier: he is not dying for himself – he is dying to save many others, who may go through great suffering if he will not sacrifice himself. This is a very sublime emotion.

I remember the story of one of Your disciples – Shrivastav, who was killed in the previous life and who was born with the signs of the bullets?

Guruji: on his stomach, yes

He didn't want anything to do with the military after it?

if something happen there – can we change it here?

Guruji: no.

and an we change something there?

Guruji: only by going there.

what do You mean – by going there?

Guruji: I mean by going there permanently – then only your spirit will be very powerful. By yoga practice you’re doing that.

so You’re simultaneously in two worlds?

Guruji: no, you will make a decision in future – to be here or to be there, where to live.

before that we can change nothing there?

Guruji: no.

if we’re yogis, we’re practicing yoga?

Guruji: you’re changing your life- first you change your life then the situation go changing, something else will appear. A person, who is not in a situation to change his or her life – how can he hope to change someone else’s life or a situation?

if you have some experience in astral and it somehow change your life?

Guruji: you’re coming to India, but you’re powerless to do some changes in Indian politics. That’s how it works. Simply visiting there is not enough to change something.

if you’re doing something there?

Guruji: it’s not your decision – you just do what you must to do, that’s it. You’re visiting as a tourist. Then you will get citizenry, then you get rights to work, then you will rise higher. Step by step.

if we have complete astral body – what is the benefit on that world?

Guruji: you will be the very powerful force. Even here: the stronger the mind – the powerful person will be. Same thing everywhere. Develop your mind – then you will be powerful enough.

when you achieve everything you want - then your mind is free?

Guruji: only then you will be considered. Before nobody will consider you.

CHILDREN AND ASTRAL WORLD; FOOD OF GODS; FAITH

sometimes my child is saying that he hear some spirits – it’s just his game or he can really hear someone?

Guruji: I think he can really hear something. Children are recently from spiritual world, so some connection remains. It can continue up to 5-6 years old.

grownups has no such feeling?

Guruji: if enough yoga have been done – this feeling will develop.

if my daughter says such things- how I know is it true?

Guruji: just speak with her openly. If things are there – don’t be afraid.

it exist some food in astral? And does it mean that the gods to whom we pray – we’re the food for them?

Guruji: not necessarily; usually the astral beings feed by the smell. In vayu sharir they feed with smell.

could someone eat us when we’re alive?

Guruji: animal can eat you, even kannibalism exists. Many wild animals can eat you. Have faith only in vegetarians.

I understand, but I asked about spiritual plan?

Guruji: no. energy can be taken, but they can not eat you. they’re already dead – what they can do except put fear in you? Sucking energy is like making you their slave.

we’re so minor thing in the whole universe – why humanity consider themselves so important?

Guruji: I think every bacteria living on your body consider itself the best in all of the creation. We need to find our place, where we stand. We’re just like bacteria, living on the Mother Earth. No more than that. Everybody considers themselves as the greatest – not only us. This is not unique for human beings. Every being consider them as the best.

It is always good to have spirits supporting you. Any ancestor will help. It is a good sign. If any spirit finding the way out to do pilgrimage taking your support – it’s good karma.

but what about your disciples?

Guruji: in fact more spirits will look for support. They will not harm you, they will be your friends.

but it’s possible if some spirit wants to harm you?

Guruji: usually it doesn’t happen. They know about yogi. But we don’t know about yogateachers.

People are afraid of spiritual experience- I’ve seen many. Even I’ve seen many great indian wrestlers – and they were so much afraid of ghosts.

have You read Neil Gayman “Good omens” about Apocalypse?

Guruji: yes, it’s amazing. And maybe Apocalypse is the good sign. But now we know, what will remain after Apocalypse – ghosts and spirits will remain. If you take any child – no matter of his nationality or language – they all believe in ghosts.

Every single child – because they are from that side recently, so they know. For me this is amazing situation, because I begin to see that every religion, which appears on this planet since the beginning of the humanity – they all have one thing in common: every religion believes in life after death. Their whole existence is on that belief. If you will be good religious person and follow it – you will go to heaven, if not – you will go to hell. But believing in ghosts also is way that you believe in life after death.

So what’s the problem then? When you have faith in some old-established religion, which has a book which nobody knows who wrote and you believe in some unknown god, who will grant you access to heaven or throw you to hell – then it is faith. But if you have some experience about ghosts and spirits and you begin to talk about it – you’re just superstitious person or you may have hallucinations. But everybody is talking about life after death. At least, the person who had some experience about ghosts and spirits – he is confirming what every religion is telling us – that there is life after death. They must support him.

When we were young there were so many priests, spreading the good word about Jesus – that in 1999 he will come down in flames, but as everybody knows – nothing happened. That year is gone; what next now?

It’s very difficult for us to listen to the truth. We all like to hear sweet lies. We believe more in sweet lies than to hard truth. That is the way of our mind. Anything to feel good.

it will be the lie, that I will say if I’m practicing yoga – every day I’m happy; sometimes I’m sad, sometimes angry?

Guruji: be careful about telling the truth to everybody. Just say – I feel good.

sometimes I feel they afraid of such answers

Guruji: that’s right. Forgive them for they are only been human – so what they are.

Jesus Christ is no more on the cross of Pope. It’s amazing development. Finally he’s at peace – he’s no more hanging there.

CONCEPTS OF CAUSAL AND ASTRAL

can the other Universes exist, based on 6 or 4 elements, not 5?

Guruji: yes, why not.

if they are much less – 2 or 3?

Guruji: that is also possible. It’s such a big thing that anything is possible. Maybe there are creations with 5000 or 5000000 elements. If we can imagine 5 elements – why not 5000000 elements? They will be super-super beings.

could we say that our astral world is based on only 2 elements?

Guruji: no, only when you are earth- bound – then only. Out of solar system or out of Earth impact – there are no elements. Only Void. That means: Void is the carrier of the sound, that is the basic thing for the Creation. So there are no elements; only that sound is condensing itself and it appears like elements to us. When there – you’re in the pure sound form of Creation or whatever there is. This is the best answer I can give you. What we call elements is just a vibration.

the question is about causal world?

Guruji : the Void is the cause of everything. Body of the Void is your causal body.

practitioner is practicing in the three worlds: physical, astral and causal?

Guruji: causal is the word using in the sake of use something. But what is the cause, tell me?

source of every karma?

Guruji: very pious answer. Causal body is the Void body – or the Void itself. If we – because our consciousness is limited – use the concept of the physical body; so we keep thinking that everything must be having a body like we have physical body. Even just an idea – causal body maybe just an idea.

I’ve commented in Gorakhbodh: when a formless thought is thought and when it is expressed – then it becomes conscious, because it has taken a form. We are like this. The cause of our being has been expressed by someone: so now we have taken a form, so form has become very important to us. When some formless thought is spoken – it becomes more conscious. That is who we are: take from this line – and you will reach the source. It was good thing I said in Gorakhbodh.

can we say that idea coming to the astral is taking two elements?

Guruji: no, astral is beyond that; only earthbound can take vayu sharir or body of five elements. This combination of 5 elements is found only on planet Earth. So we need to learn to think beyond that. Even space: in hindi and Sanskrit it is called “antariksh” – the space in between. Different stars. Solars, planets, something. Void is beyond that: Void is carrying the whole Creation .

The space is not the Void, remember that!

if we take something which is beyond the Earth and earthbound: for them causal and astral is the same?

Guruji: no. What we understand by astral? We are using this world – but what we actually understand by word “astral”? this is something beyond the 5 elements, just the mental idea. Like the thought which we have – but we not express it, which has a possibility to be expressed. Astral is like that: it’s mental world.

SIX TIME LINES ASTRAL AND EARTH

Where all six times lines meet , and all astral planes, all many different dimensions beings , they can come to earth. Whenever they are trying to escape from, big problem there.

And it is my belief - because I’ve been observing this things for more then, let say nearly thirty years - that a big war is happening there, and it is almost ending, now climax is coming.

And, whatever we see on the Earth - is a reproduction of these astral beings fighting with each other’s for supremacy. Earth like a junction, where all six time lines and every different dimension, wherever anybody is living, they can come to Earth, escape, and some power in Earth is there.

Whoever will control the Earth will become mighty powerful.

So this is main thing which keeps on happening, and we see in epics also, Indian epics, Ramayana, Mahabharata, all these things indicates for this. Everybody is out to take control of the Earth!

Any other interesting astral experiences? How do the ghosts out there react to the presence of the mortal?

Guruji: they are very respectful: because no ordinary person can access different dimensions. I think they all knew me.

Is there any type of testing or any type of probing of your abilities and powers there?

Guruji: Some of them try to rag you initially, when you’re appearing there for the first time; after that they realize your power and don’t bother you. But they may play some games, in good nature. They are very playful and you must have a good sense of humor.

A lot of your disciples see You in the dreams, in different states, during meditation; and when they tell you about these dreams or occurrence of some event during the meditation, you say – yes, well, interesting; what did I wear? In some cases you’re aware, in some not aware of such astral contact?

Guruji: I'm aware, most of the time.

So there is no escape for us?

Guruji: (laughing) Big Brother is watching you. But usually it happens when the disciple is thinking intensely about me or he’s in some fix, and wants some solution – then I come.

Another thing: every time when a new person comes, you, of course, notice the age, the form and the gender; but you said that first of all you see the spirit - it is the spirit who comes to learn?

Guruji: Yes. Mostly – yes.

It comes to greet you and sometimes to ask for the initiation?

Guruji: That is true.

You are also saying: one look is enough to determine who the person is?

Guruji: Usually so.

Looking at us, you see the aura, the tendencies, certain diseases?

Guruji: I stop seeing that. When you start seeing these things – you become unnecessary judgemental. I don’t want to be judgemental: if someone is coming in good faith - I value and respect their privacy, I never peek inside much. Initially - of course, I was doing it.

However, you sometimes could tell the person’s fate...

Guruji: Sometimes it just happens without my control, yes.

We value these precious moments. Can you see that some of the disciples have short lives? In the case of Mataji...

Guruji: In her case it was known from the very beginning. But sometimes- yes. Some – yes. But we all have shrort lives. As such, I like to treat everybody well. When my sister was here, I never stopped her from doing anything she wanted,I went alone with her wishes. Whatever she want; she was always ready to help anyone.

Phrasing it in big words: every soul is here to live according to the dharma and complete the program for that particular lifetime?

Guruji: Yes. Our teaching is: to understand which karmas you did, so as a result of those karmas you’re having now a certain situation; and by developing yourself you can overcome that situation and create very good karmas - so the result will be very good. That is the main essence of the teaching.

Different karmal have different results; may I ask if these are long term or short term karma?

Guruji: Anytime karma.

Are they happening in this lifetime or in the next lifetime?

Guruji: When you will begin to understand the law of karma, you will be in a situation to manipulate your own kahrma: so you may have desired results. That is a very big understanding and power!

Are You helping people to realize the karmas not only through yoga by giving other, particular hints?

Guruji: I'm giving them in many discussions and through extraordinary ideas – it is part of that. When I was in school I read Chanakya, he’s the best, I will tell you. You must read Chanakya! What he said is: If the creator is giving us only the results of our karmas – so why should I offer my pranam to Him? I will offer my respect to my karmas! It's a big statement.

So, by understanding karma and its result we will develop ourselves to the level that we made karma to have NO result. It's a very unique situation - no longer you are in a vicious circle of action and reaction, you are free from that.

Everyone was trying to get some grace from the creator: mythology and religions are full of such samples. But with the help of this yoga we will realize what are the results of our karmas: no more, no less. So use your karmas wisely; first develop your mind and become wise: then you’re free to do anything, whatever you want.

It takes time, Guruji...

Guruji: Always! Time is the greatest Guru. It is a fantastic situation! My favorite statement: if you do bad karma – you will get bad results, if you do good karma – good results will come: so do a romantic karma: so romantic results will come!

So basically we all left in the same class for another year; and then again for another year…

Guruji: At least he is achieving stability: he remains in one place! This is quite positive for the person.

I’VE SPENT ALL MY LIFE WAITING FOR YOU

Why is it considered so important – if you meet some astral being in your dream to ask his name?

Guruji: No, they will never tell you their name.

Will it be a trick from their side?

Guruji: If they will give you some mantra – it’s a rare phenomena. But even then they will not reveal their identity or their name, which will come much later.

So it's not a good idea to try to ask their name?

Guruji: No, asking may irritate them.

Because one very strange incident came: one person was under the surgery and when he was unconscious some being came to him and said him to come to the exact place, find the hatch and in the hatch will be the beads; you must take these beads and pass them to another person – otherwise you will come back to hospital very soon. He was afraid; when he came back to senses – he came to that place and there was the hatch in reality and inside was the real beads. He passed them to a certain person – but nobody could say, what it was and why it happened?

Guruji: It may be the spirit of his ancestor, who was protecting him; he was saved – otherwise he would be in a hospital again. It may be some old karma, connected with the certain place and beads, which was removed that day.

So we cannot judge what we see – past, present or future?

Guruji: You will begin to see that.

So if we see something extraordinary?

THE REAL ENTERTAINMENT OF A GYANI

Do all creatures in the Siddha loka have knowledge of atma gnyana and yoga or only magical siddhis possess this knowledge?

Guruji: Most of the magical siddhis possessed and most senior of the siddhas possessed the knowledge of the self – atma gnyana.

Is it possible that the lineage of Babaji is coming specifically from Siddha loka?

Guruji: The lineage of yoga starts from Shiva – and he lives on Earth.

But siddhis he possesses?

Guruji: They are itself-developed yogic powers.

Vidyadharas are creatures, which are still related to different tantras and Shri Vidya or not?

Guruji: they are related to vidya – and they are demi-gods. They preside over any kind of art and every type of wisdom, including tantras – everything.

What do You mean – demi-gods?

Guruji: They are not worshipped like gods, but they are belonging to the particular class of the astral beings, who preside over all the vidyas – they are important.

When you have the absolute knowledge of yourself and your brain is absolutely conscious – it will change you physically also, you can live up to 10000 years, because 2% may allow you to live 200 years – so a 100% conscious brain takes you to 10000 plus years – if we go by the calculations. And that developed consciousness- if you apply – you will understand the deep mysteries of 5 elements: everything that we see – is just a different combination and play of 5 elements. Even illusions: vayu and akash create different illusions – and we think what it is? If Babaji has awaken his consciousness – and I’m absolutely sure he has done it millenniums before – he have got enough time to experiment with all the 5 elements and nature of the Creation; and so – he is absolutely in control and absolutely at ease: he can create and uncreate whatever he wants to do, maybe for fun and entertainment. Ultimately – what remains is entertainment. As we have said: gyan is the real entertainment of a gyani.

Divinity test

Just now we were discussing the Bollywood song, which is extremely poetic. He is lover, and his girl dead or going somewhere – so he is roaming here and there in search of her. And he said: those, who are crying to find god – let them find god; I’ve just would like to find my lost love.

And I absolutely agree with it. You have not seen god – you have just heard about it; suppose if somebody conjure some spirit or ghost and he is saying – oh, he is god, just go to him – because you have faith, you will definitely go to him.

But to test I would like any priest or any “godman” to bring back the person whom I knew very well, but who is no more there, who is no more alive. So let him make his spirit appeared first – then I will believe.

I don’t know god, I don’t recognize him – so how I will know that this person, standing in front of me, is god? Let me see my departed father, mother, or friend, or anybody whom I use to know very-very well – then I will believe. Always practical approach.

It is described that all of Krishna’s cows take care there – there are so many and all of them are beautiful. And a criteria for reaching Goloka – nowhere in the world in the history of religion it is mentioned. Only the mind like a five-year old child will reach Goloka. There are everybody like a five-year old child. So innocent, so pure; otherwise in different heavens so many things are described. Goloka will stay unique.

There are different stories; one of his main titles is Gopala, who takes care of the cows. Gorakh also – who protect the cows. And in some puran it is written that millions of the wives of Shiva’s bull – where they live it is called Goloka. And Gopal is Krishna. In the beginning Vishnu was given this title. Then after Daksha yagya Krishna replaced Vishnu. That is the most beautiful place in whole creation or even beyond creation. Only until unless you’re pure and innocent as a five-year old child – no entry into Golok. All of gop and gopies are there, Radha and Krishna are the main creators of that. And there is a huge kadamba tree and in every flower there are millions of universes and there is a river around it = Vrija river. And all the oceans – seven oceans are children of Vrija, Safi and Krishna. Details you will read in Brahmavaivarta purana. Must read book. Only there some details of Golok I’ve come across.

can we compare it somehow with the netherworlds – Patala, Rasatala?

Guruji: sutala loka, where king Bali is ruling – at least 1000000 time beautiful than heaven. Not much is known about patals. Golok is beyond creation. There is a story when something happened and many heavenly gods went to see Krishna. They go through so many gop, gopies and cows – everybody was so beautiful and full of charm, gee and everything. Then they reach a place where is a big golden mansion- it is Radha Ji and Krishna – then they worship them and they appeared in the human form. Then they agree to come down to earth. And when he said – Radha Ji, you have to go to the earth – she said: until unless a little portion of Golok will go down and my dear Giriraj will go down – I will not go. So this area, which we called Vraj, go down from Golok. Govardhan hill is also divine being which come down. That’s why it is considered separate from earth. Very different place. Better not to live this area – you never know when it take off to Golok. Safest to remain inside.

you said that in astral world the only rule is the force?

Guruji: power. Everything is for power. Who have more power – he rules. What is ruling? Who can make the rule and make others follow him. He is ruler according to his power.

as I understand – yogis are most powerful in astral world?

Guruji: yes, because they made their spirit their friend and their mind is so much developed. Power depends on how your mind is developed.

but they are not keep in touch with the local mafia?

Guruji: yes, they remain separated.

but if somebody somehow disturbs them?

Guruji: I’ve never seen such cases, they always maintain the distance. In astral world yogis are very much respected. And also khechari is too much respected there. Even who is doing yoga practice regularly with khechari mudra – receives respect.

it exists the cases that some powerful creatures attack the yogis?

Guruji: of course time to time it happens.

but what for?

Guruji: for just to test their power.

it’s like a story when a man try to touch your head?

(powerful spirit with double pupils tried to attack Guruji in astral world)

Guruji: yes, it happened last year. But he told that now the spirit of Siddha Aghori will remain with me. And I had so many changes in one year. Things are more quiet nowadays. That is fantastic: I never was aware that people can have two pupils until I seen him in my experience.

why that spirit, who is in Germany now, could not go there himself?

Guruji: you don’t know – he leave there or he asking just for fun.

could such kind of spirit take birth through human body?

Guruji: until unless there is a very great purpose for this, otherwise – no.

SUKSHMA DJAGAT

question about two Aghoris, who are now living here and who has 500000 attendants; they asked for a very little place to live here; but usually we’re perceiving ghosts in the shape of human body – of normal size?

Guruji: it’s the mental projection of their vayu sharira. They need very little space.

so it’s the mental projection which we’re perceiving, it’s not the actual size?

Guruji: no.

so the actual size is like pin point?

Guruji: like pin point of a needle.

in Yoga Vasishta they described the whole Universe in one small stone?

Guruji: in one particle!

on what depends this size of the Universe – it could be huge or it could be very small?

Guruji: we put too much stress on the size. Here is another word which we must try to understand: that world is called sukshma jagat. Sukshma means very small. So even the world of viruses and bacteria can also be called sukshma jagat, the minutest world.

but our world is much more vast?

Guruji: from one point of view it is vast – but from another point of view it maybe inside the particle. Even the biggest Universe could be inside the atom. It’s too bigger thing.

so it’s not the actual perception – it’s matter of the point of view?

Guruji: just a matter of proportion, from which side you’re looking.

WHAT WORLDS EXIST

Ganganath, who came to You: he had shaven head or he was bald?

Guruji: I cannot say, because shaven head looks different. There was not a single hair on his body. Eyebrows has just a hint of them and no eyelashes. And kundals he was wearing from inside. He was wearing malas also: small rudrakshas and different beads – he was wearing 5-6 malas.

there is a shloka in Gorakh Bani where it is said that yogin must go beyond three worlds; why exactly three worlds?

Guruji: I will just add that African tribes and old Indian tribes – they are talking about and what they explain about that: one world of the living, one world who are about to take birth, and one world belongs to the dead. These three worlds.

the world who are about to take birth and world of dead – they are different?

Guruji: according to them. How one world came into another – that we need to discover. Maybe after you have gone through all punishment and prison – then you attain the special place, where you will be in a queue to take another birth. And immediately after death you’re in a queue to receive all that things – heaven or hell or anything. And one world is of living. Tribals believe in it: everybody talks about three worlds.

but in Gorakhbodh they are giving a little bit different definition: like the physical world, the astral world and the causal world: what is the causal world?

Guruji: the reason of the birth, the cause. After even the vayuelement is gone and only akash element remains. One more death. Sometimes they say that it is the world where maybe only Void and spirits is there – maybe the causal world. Where only spirits live and where is no traces of any elements.

Even Yogananda writes about causal world. He described so many things, but spirits are everywhere. The difference looks when they are trying to express themselves in a different ways. If they will take one element – it’s a different thing, two elements – it’s a ghost world, five elements – it’s the living world. It is their expression.

why it’s not possible to take for example 3 or 4 elements?

Guruji: they are maybe doing it! That’s why we have bhutaswith turned feet and genies.

how it is possible to die in astral world – but not to take birth and move into the akaskh world?

Guruji: depends on how much you have progressed or how much power you have, how much experience you have. When your time frames will change you will be thinking in terms of millions and billions of years.

THE PHENOMENA OF THE APPEARANCE IN MATERIAL BODY, REINCARNATION

Whether the comprehension of the objects of the sensations and impact of trigunas – does it happen only on the level of the physical body, when we have 5 elements or does it also happen on the astral plane?

Guruji: Wherever the consciousness displays – the effect will be there. Physical or astral- doesn’t matter.

But the effect of the gunas – is it felt?

Guruji: Will be almost the same. Whether you’re feeling them physically, mentally or spiritually.

Is there an exact description of the word reincarnation or rebirth for the sadhak in the lineage of Kriya yoga; is there any definition, what’s happening? Is it the continuation of the physical body – when the body dies and only two elements remain? Coming here in the body of 5 elements: we call this appearance “the birth”- usually from the woman, but in the legends we read that rishis were stirring up the development of the infants from the magic vessels and so on; I’m trying to determine: what is birth exactly? What is exactly the birth in the earthly body of 5 elements? Does there exist in our lineage any other explanation of the phenomena of the appearance in the material body?

so only by thought you could create anything in astral world – clothes, for example?

Guruji: every clothes is by thought: you think, that – I must have some new clothes – and you go and pay and have new clothes.

in astral world too?

Guruji: of course

and to whom I must pay there? There are some astral shops?

Guruji: it is said: whatever is donated here – received there. Different payment.

astral world have some levels or layers?

Guruji: oh, it has many layers.

can we separate them like more deeper or less?

Guruji: separation is the human tendency: we love to separate, then study; but in astral world we should study the whole without separating. Here it is necessary for us, because we have very limited consciousness. But there you don’t need to separate to study something.

but in the beginning, when you just entered the astral world – you have not the all possibilities to go everywhere?

Guruji: the limitations will be in your mind. It will take some time to adjust there. That’s why we are keep saying: focus! Control your mind! It will help you there in a big way.

THE WORLD AROUND

could we say that among the three worlds – bhur, bhuvahand svaha – how they are connected with each other?

Guruji: these are considered as the three out of the seven realms: this is Earth, next to Earth and next to Earth. Most of the people who are taking birth in this planet- they usually remain inside these three worlds.

it is physical world, the ghost realm and what else?

Guruji: than astral. We have no word for it – but astral is a common word.

then what’s the difference between the ghost realm and astral world?

Guruji: let’s say – an earthly body, earthly plan; an atmosphere and the outer space. And four are beyond that.

and Alakh Niranjan?

Guruji: beyond all these things: beyond the Creation, beyond the bindu – no vibration.

CURRENCY OF THE ASTRAL WORLD

Usually they are saying that paranormal activities are high then the temperature is cold.

could it be connected with Your commentary on Gita when You said that Aurora Borealis is connected…

Guruji: with the gods, yes. That’s why it is so cold.

many higher beings are living constantly there?

Guruji: we have discussed on this; in all Indian mythology – even in bible: no snow mentioned anywhere. Maybe there was no snow before. Only in Thor’s story we see it; otherwise – no snow. Here we say that one day of gods lasts six months and one night lasts six months: this exactly same on North Pole even on South Pole. And you remember: we traced Pandava’sfinal journey: from Egypt to Siberia; and in Siberia there are remains of the cities: Asgard, which was capital of Thor and Odin. And Thor was a thundergod; so was Indra – maybe there was a clash between Krishna and Thor and Thor was defeated. We need to connect these dots.

PHYSICAL WORLD VERSUS ASTRAL WORLD

Physical world is just a reflection of astral. Something happen there – the shadow will follow us.

if we fight with someone in astral – in physical it will be normal persons or some astral beings?

Guruji: they maybe looking like normal persons – but they may hide in them some astral beings. Just provocation from them. They putting ideas in the mind directly.

BHUR BHUVAH SVAHA AND PERCEPTION OF TIME

what are three worlds?

Guruji: bhur, bhuvah, svaha. Earth, atmosphere in between and space. They are 14: 7 netherworlds and 7 higher worlds – earth is in the center.

they were able to travel into space somehow?

Guruji: they were travelling interdimensionaly also. They were moving all over galaxies. We’re still not on that level. They could teleport, could move faster than light.

Very simple story in Shrimad Bhagavatam: there was a king, he had a very beautiful princess. So beautiful – it was difficult to find a suitable groom for her. King was worried. One day he visited Narada, the celestial rishi. King asked: will my daughter be married one day? Narada answered – yes, it’s everything written on her face. And rishi took them to Creator – and they wait few moment in front of the Creator, Brahma. And Brahma said: you’ve made a mistake by bringing them here. Their time and my time is different. What you feel as moments – millions of years have passed on Earth. Krishna is incarnated; now this girl will married to the elder brother of Krishna, Balarama. They came down – all their kingdom, everything disappeared. Nobody knew them. Then they went to Krishna court and there Balarama accepted her as a wife.

Great story tells us that they maybe moving faster than light. Scientists tells us – if you move like speed of light – time will be still for them. Many-many years will pass on Earth – but for you it will be few minutes. With enough intelligence you can see so many things in our stories. They could travel to astral world and come back anytime; it is actually very difficult to draw a line – what they are describing. They could described earthly things – and then suddenly what happens in astral world, in continuation.

maybe that times two worlds were much closer to each other – and now they are too separate?

Guruji: we don’t know; maybe all that described in mythology are happening now somewhere. In Shiva Purana there is a chapter on rudraksha; Shiva himself is talking – that I’ve placed rudraksha in different places, even in Mathura I’ve planted rudraksha trees, I make them grow. In 2001 I’ve planted 11 rudraksha trees here, in this area, first time in history. Rudraksha trees were never mentioned in this area, nowhere, even in mythology. But Shiva make the statement – I grow rudraksha in Mathura. He was talking in future? Or where? First rudraksha trees came here in 2001 – now we have 27. How you will connect it? When Shiva is talking – you never know, whether he’s talking in future or in the past or in the present. For Him – maybe it’s all the same.

how to understand the flowing of time in physical and in astral world?

Guruji: it’s very difficult to connect.

in the dreams the time is flowing very different?

Guruji: no matter how we can observe – our observation will be very limited. We’re not using enough our brains, hardly 2-3%. So what we see – we see just 2-3% of anything, not in its totality. It is beyond our capacity.

yes, scientists are saying that our specter of vision is very limited…

Guruji: hearing is very limited also. And thinking is even more limited.

GO TO SLEEP THERE AND WAKE UP HERE – part2

is it true that you’re travelling in astral just imagine some place – and you’re there?

Guruji: you can also contact mentally and don’t need to travel. It’s different world. It’s pure mental world: whatever you will think with the focused mind – will come to pass. That’s why keep saying – control your mind, control your thoughts. In the astral only this will work.

what is the ocean there?

Guruji: oceans are here and there – even more deep and full of beings, which we not know here. All the fairy-tales beings are there.

it also has deeper layers?

Guruji: look at the physical world – you can also see different layers of persons: understanding, process of thinking – big varieties and it’s much more there also.

does creation look like computer game with different levels?

Guruji: more like educational center.

what will happen if we learn everything here?

Guruji: you’re sending a child to school – what happens to a child when he completes education? They are free to choose their career, whatever they want to do. But the child has no choice, which school he will go – always the parents or the government decides.

impossible even imagine 10000 years in vayu sharir?

Guruji: why not – you don’t need even food, just smell some good things – that’s it.

it’s hard to stay in astral for a long time?

Guruji: stability is the main problem: you cannot stay longer on Earth and you cannot stay longer there. First thing is to establish some form of stability – so you will be able to remain for longer time anywhere. Whether you’re in astral world for 1000 years – you may reach as to become gana of Kali. And if you can remain a gana of Kali for 10000 years – Shiva may take notice of you and make you his gana. After that your life is made.

Kali’s ganas are females?

Guruji: both. They are different with Shiva’s ones.

nails and hair of the person are immortal substances; but has they particular smell for the spirit you try to invoke?

Guruji: they are used in many black magic rituals – to invoke the essence of the life of particular person and do things to him.

that spirits of ladies You told – they never travel somewhere?

Guruji: they remain here always. First time I saw them in plantation.

are they semi-transparent?

Guruji: no, they look solid to me. I saw them like you. You maybe noticing: I rarely go there now alone – they gathering around me. When I’m going to the gym alone – they always follow. But of it’s someone in between – they maintain a distance.

they try to communicate, to talk with You?

Guruji: just playing – or maybe they put the ideas to my mind. They’re very powerful beings.

maybe they are 22000 ladies, which connected with Matsyendranath?

Guruji: this number is too big – I've seen only few hundreds there. Maybe they are from Goloka.

how it is possible to become Kali gana?

Guruji: remain in astral for thousand years. That is qualification mark. This is very big achievement. Nobody can stop their force.

ASTRAL WORLD/VAYU WORLD (PART 1)

Guruji, what type of body we have in astral world?

Guruji: let’s say it’s mental body. This is a mental world – so mental body. Your mind perception of your body is there.

it’s not vayu sharira?

Guruji: no. it’s mind perception of your body. You’re in a mental world: all your mind perceptions will be there.

but for the yogi – it’s vayu sharira?

Guruji: no need, mental perception. Vayu sharira is more gross; you’re not in the mental world – you’re in the gross world. But there is a mental world: you’re exploring the mental world of the creation. It’s a different thing.

it’s impossible to extract vayu sharira from the body without destroying the body?

Guruji: it is also possible - anything is possible

what will be with the body if vayu sharira is going somewhere?

Guruji: wind connection will remain so it will continue to breathe, the gross body; and if you want to stop all the connection – it will be called death and you will go free.

how it will breathe if the vayu element is going somewhere?

Guruji: that is the key. If you want to remain alive in 5 element, then.

Guruji, bhur, bhuvah, svaha – where is astral world?

Guruji: all three are gross. Astral world is the mental world. You will be exploring the mind of the creator, the creation’s consciousness – it’s the very different concept. We discuss gross things – 5 elements and other – and this is a mental world. Whatever you will see with your mind’s perception – is your physical body. The stronger your visualization will be of your own thing – the stronger you will be in the mental world. This is the magic place. It’s absolutely not physical.

gods are living in vayu sharira world?

Guruji: they are different, yes. It’s a complicated information; we have vayu in atmosphere – so in vayu sharira you will be to move only inside that. But then our books says there are 49 types of vayus. They move everywhere in the space and all over creation. Even then – if your vayu sharira becomes extremely refined – you maybe connect with one of those winds, vayus and you may ride with them all over the creation.

so the Earth is carrying only one type of vayu?

Guruji: only, yes. 49 Maruts are everywhere – like solar wind and other things. First you need to understand our vayu mandala, vayu sharira; then you will become aware of 49 different airs, winds, exploring every corner of the creation – if there is a corner. Even a vayu sharira may have 49 types of different categories.

ASTRAL WORLD/VAYU WORLD (PART 2)

it exist some method to somehow jump from the astral world to vayu sharira world?

Guruji: it could be that. Whoever will rule in the mental world – will be ruling everything.

it’s primary?

Guruji: yes.

concentration, imagination and…?

Guruji: visualization – that is the key. You can go on exploring; even concentration may have hundreds and thousands of differentiations. We use these words – but how we’re actually understand them?

if you have the perfect concentration – what is the boons in astral world?

Guruji: you can do anything there. Almighty.

if you lose concentration, when you’re there?

Guruji: then you lost everything. Then government will send you to some asylum or something and you will live the rest of your days like a paramahamsa.

what do You think: the power of imagination and concentration develops simultaneously – or one can be much stronger than another?

Guruji: without concentration no strong imagination is possible. Both go together.

ghosts are living in the vayu world?

Guruji: yes

who is living in mental world?

Guruji: oh, they also have mind. And if they concentrate hard enough – they can enter the mental world; if they know how to do that. Vayu sharira ghosts almost have.

everyone, who has the mind, could connect with the astral world?

Guruji: of course, yes. We’re outgoing to become ghosts, so no doubt.

it exists the danger for the yogi if he start just play with astral?

Guruji: but then there is a father for every child. If he will become arrogant – there are far more powerful beings there. You have to remain careful there. And: those five elements called pancha mahabhutas – so the whole creation stands on ghosts( smiling). Creation of great ghosts, bhutas.

can we compare mental world with electricity?

Guruji: again electricity is the gross thing; expression of some nature. Mental world is beyond everything.

it exists some examples when someone do something in astral and couldn’t come back after that?

Guruji: we heard many stories like that. Once you have mental problem – then no matter what you receive physically – medicine or something – it will remain bad. Maybe in the mental world something went wrong. In India we say: if somebody is sleeping- never wake him up suddenly, do it slowly-slowly. He maybe somewhere else.

so mental world is like pure thought?

Guruji: no, pure thought is much more higher. Thoughts are there – but they have shapes and so many different things. Let’s say the mental world is the place where all your imagination and all your thoughts live. And there are nightmares also.

Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and Shakti: where here the mental world?

Guruji: they maybe ruling it.

if someone wake up with the very painful feeling on the whole skin – what does it mean?

Guruji: it means something happen up there; he may not be remembering it – but something really happen there. It is like in “Matrix”: if you die in Matrix – you will die physically also. If somebody will catch your mind or imagination – you are as good as dead.

Miracles; Ghosts; Astral World; Samadhi; Yogi; Saint; Guru

With good practice some mysterious things are always happen. It tells us – we’re on the right way. I’ve noticed – some of the senior people have told me: if you start to practice yoga – you will have mysterious experiences and also you will become a little bit more famous than before. More people will start knowing you somehow. Even if you’re doing anything for it. You will remain younger looking then your contemporaries, which is the very welcome thing. Everybody will feel it.

is it possible that with the practice border between physical and astral world becomes more thin?

Guruji: it is less and less. You will also discover – there is no border. Border is the limitations of our vision or understanding – that is the border. Otherwise they are so much into each other – you can not draw a line. When the astral beings are very powerful – even common people feeling their presence or power.

It was evening time at the Rameshwaram, Setubandha bridge. Me and my sister both were there. The waves were breaking and we were just sitting. Then we were noticing that big black butterflies were flying just out of the breaking waves, from the water. They are flying above my right shoulder. And they were there more than one hour – the wave will brake and butterflies will come. They were very big, black with the golden borders on the wings. I don’t know, who they were. If normal butterfly be in water – it simply can not fly. We all saw them. It’s open to imagination – who they were.

as I understand – we must have more powerful mind to remember more from that experience?

Guruji: yes, then it will be easy to understand. But there will be no physical explanation: always spiritual explanation are there, not physical one. The physical world is just a shadow of astral.

so if some war happen – at first it happen in astral?

Guruji: yes; only the shadow – like the Daksha yagya fight is there the reflection will be on Earth also. The cause is always there. I will give you very fantastic idea: you remember Devon ke Dev Mahadev? When two parts of Sati’s body went missed and was thrown into water? I’ve discovered them in our kund. It was fantastic for me to see on TV what we already discovered here. Maybe it was somewhere else and these body parts will throw into the past or into the future – to protect them. It’s direct connection but you never know – whether puranas describing the past or the future. In Shiva purana in the chapter of rudraksha Shiva is saying: I grew rudraksha in Mathura. But I was the first person to plant them here. We searched – but not any mention of rudraksha nowhere in this area. Was He talking about the future? Or from the future about the past?

puranas are beyond the time?

Guruji: now I begin to think – as we begin to talk that something happens in astral world then suddenly it appears on Earth – the different time frame they keep describe. In the history of this area rudraksha was unheard of. Only in Shiva purana we read that He grew rudraksha in Mathura also – and it happen in 2002. What they are trying to say?

if something happen there – can we change it here?

Guruji: no.

and an we change something there?

Guruji: only by going there.

what do You mean – by going there?

Guruji: I mean by going there permanently – then only your spirit will be very powerful. By yoga practice you’re doing that.

so You’re simultaneously in two worlds?

Guruji: no, you will make a decision in future – to be here or to be there, where to live.

if you have some experience in astral and it somehow change your life?

Guruji: you’re coming to India, but you’re powerless to do some changes in Indian politics. That’s how it works. Simply visiting there is not enough to change something.

if you’re doing something there?

Guruji: it’s not your decision – you just do what you must to do, that’s it. You’re visiting as a tourist. Then you will get citizenry, then you get rights to work, then you will rise higher. Step by step.

TRY TO REMAIN INSIDE THE BODY

where is the difference: I just see a dream or I’m travelling to astral world?

Guruji: dreamworld and astral world are one and the same.

You mean – every people who see the dreams – they are travelling to astral world?

Guruji: almost everybody goes to the astral world. Some remembers, some don’t. having out of the body experience is nothing; having inside the body experience for a very long time is more important. One day you’re going to have out of the body experience permanently – so why run after it? Try to remain inside the body for a longer period.

The astral world is the sort of mental world or dreamworld. Whatever you are thinking – you will feel this in the reality.

Q: if someone dies and imagine heaven or hell?

Guruji: for some time he will be there.

Q: for some time?

Guruji: because it is his mental projection. It will not be real.

Q: if the person all his life think about money, and in the moment of death he also think about money – what happens with such person?