Creation, the cosmos, the gunas, the Void and maya

The first word in Indian mythology was when Shiva woke up from his Samadhi and saw there was nothing and sounded his drum — that was the first word. All languages came out of it and Om also came out of it. That’s why we sound damaru while doing Shiva worship.

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Every sound is a different angle of Om, every sound which is being made in the world, even by creatures, animals, everybody. Everybody is using a part of Om.

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Om is described as the vibration; and that vibration is conversing into this material world. And if you think on it, whatever we see is actually a vibration certainly. Wherever there is vibration, there is sound. So what Bible says: “In the beginning there was the word and the word was God”. I take it as an exact statement, that is very exact.

And also if we consider all that you will also notice that it is actually the void what is carrying every particle of the matter, every movement – it is possible because the void is carrying the particles. The smallest units of matter through the micro to macro are all holding empty space, the whole movement depends on the void or the empty space. Time is even more subtle than this and I think it will sound very fantastic, that the matter came into being as a result of the union between time and void. Also if you go into Sanskrit dictionary you will find that the void and Shakti means the same.

The time has united the world and as a result the matter is turned into being and Shakti is called the mother. Every moment of the matter the void is holding. That is the only stationary thing in the whole of the being.

The void has got no form. And because it has got no form, it is still and carrying the matter or the time.

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Don’t you think your body is nothing but empty space? There is great empty space between the atoms and molecules.

Q: But something is holding them together.

A: Only your will.

Q: I thought that is God.

A: Then tell me what is the difference between your will and God’s will? That’s why Jesus said “Thy will be done, not mine” — because they were one and the same.

PRALAYA – THE BAD MUSIC WILL DISSAPPEAR

when Shiva destroys all creation in pralaya…

Guruji: I will tell you: the word “pralaya” is not destroying – because he’s not using any celestial weapon to destroy: he is dancing. That means the music of the creation or say the vibration of the creation, if it is not remains in harmony and quite chaos develops – then He dances to put it back into harmony, that is pralaya. Laya means harmony. Pralaya means special harmonizing. It is not destruction – it is harmonizing of the creation again.

pralaya is not Apocalypse?

Guruji: no, He is creating a harmony. Whatever is without of harmony, the bad music will disappear.

some people are saying Shiva doesn’t care about people?

Guruji: because that person was trying to please him in some way without seeing Him face to face – which is extremely rare. If you will sitting in front of Shiva face to face – he cares.

it’s impossible to make him care about you?

Guruji: it is difficult but it can be done. Difficult to please the Father. From hindi point of view the word difficult is difire – all the cults; as long as you will remain in the cult – that will be difficult. As long as you remain cultist – you cannot please anyway. From any cult the culture develops and civilization forms.

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planets – they have elements?

Guruji: mostly they have earth elements, 5 elements.

but they are not earthbound – like Mars?

Guruji: he is the son of the Earth.

so he is also earthbound?

Guruji: no, he has separate identity. The child after birth is not bound to the mother – only emotionally. She has delivered him already.

what about Shukracharya? He is not connected with the Earth -but even oceans are on this planet?

Guruji: but not of water; so it’s a different thing.

coming back to the source, to the Void…?

Guruji: atit ghat

so we’re practicing, trying to reach samadhi, then immortality, then coming back to the source, when the whole Creation is no more – it’s also coming back to the source; so what is the difference between the practitioner and normal person, which also will come to the source?

Guruji: a person, who has never gone to a school, is out of it. And the person, who has gone through all the education, is out of the school. Do you think, they are same? That’s the difference.

ALAKH NIRANJAN, DATTA GURU

There has been a discussion going around the world for a very long time: some people say – we believe in god, and some people say – we’re atheists, we don’t believe in god. This question has been raised in front of me several times – and my answer to that question is: it is a very mathematical conclusion – most mathematical problems we start to solve them by assuming; let’s assume- and we try to find the right formula and reach a conclusion. So this “belief in god” is a highly mathematical substance: we start assuming that there is god; and there is a spirit, there is a soul; then we need to find the right formula and we will surely reach the conclusion. This is my opinion; you also please honor on that.

When Ganganath spoke to You and he addressed “Avadhut”- that he is awakened; we take it as Shiva and Shiva only?

Guruji: Actually when Ganganath told us that Avadhut has been invoked successfully and it was to happen once in the same Creation and You have done it successfully – so You’re the Badinath, Nath of the Naths. First when I heard it I also took him as Shiva. All this understanding came later.

I only started to understand it when we spoke yesterday -when the story of Datta Guru came. About Alakh Niranjan, Datta Guru – how did these calls come?

Guruji: Alakh Niranjan – I don’t know, it was not suggested by the Bhattaji in Nepal; he just outlined how to do the rituals step by step. But the first time when I found damaru – this call came automatically, Alakh Niranjan. For 4-5 days – “Alakh Niranjan”; then suddenly Alakh Datta, Guru Datta also came.

Automatically?

Guruji: Automatically – since then I’m doing it. Two times. The first is Alakh Niranjan, second is Alakh Datta, Guru Datta. Which is beyond carbon, remains unseen; and the giver, the Guru – Datta – also remains unseen. It took time: when he was talking – we could understand nothing. But all this understanding came slowly. Then we connected so many dots: in Bhagavatam it is written that Dattatreya himself gave upadesh to an ancestor of Krishna on a hill- maybe on Govardhan hill. That’s maybe why Krishna worshiped this holy hill – as a place of the Guru. In Shrimad Bhagavatam it is written.

But the hill is not named?

Guruji: Hill is not named. And also it is written there that 9 Naths that also went to Krishna and had a discussion. They were addressed as 9 Yogis – shwar; they were 9 Naths, and all those names, who became Nath yogis – they talked with him.

It’s very interesting that Guru Datta has 23….

Guruji: 24; he is saying that – I learn from those 24 people. And the pandit, preacher, began to say here – 24 Gurus. Looking at something – and learning is another thing.

But they are actually not people: they listing the river, the spider?

Guruji: There are some people also. That one girl was just pounding something, and she had more than one bangle – so there was sound; then she removed all but left one – and then there was no sound; so I learned to remain alone from that. It is like that.

Yes, there are some humans as well; so what do You think of that: it’s just a colorful legend?

Guruji: No, it is a very deep thing. That means you need to develop your awareness to that level that even if you can learn something from an ant, from an insect! Every thing, every insect, every being is an expression of the consciousness of the Earth – so you can learn some wisdom from him.

I thought it was an absolutely magnificent picture – how was he bringing attention to it?

Guruji: Amazing thing! I learned this: every being is an expression of the consciousness of the Mother Earth – or people say of the god; so you can learn some angle of consciousness from anybody. From a pig to a whale, to an elephant to a man, from a sinner to a virtuous person – everybody. As we have discovered that all sinners are much wiser than innocent people. Here lies the secret of this term.

This subject is a book by itself, undoubtedly.

Guruji: A main thing to you is observe the sinner and move on, that’s the point (smiling).

It’s not the nature of the dehi: dehis are like students; and no matter how your mind is working – you have to remember that your physical body is carrying trillions and trillions of gigabytes of information. It is like a book: and the book is not aware, what is written inside.

During the time of puja the call “Alakh Niranjan”, where did it come from?

Guruji: It is a very ancient Nath call, from thousands of years they are saying it. Even to greet each other they sometimes say “ Alakh Niranjan”.

Did You obtain these instructions from pujari?

Guruji: No; the first time we started to say it; damaru was also not a suggestion. But it just came to me, that we must have damarus and the first day when we did it – this Alakh Niranjan came; second day Alakh Datta, Guru Datta came – since then it is continuously on.

It signifies “he, who is beyond carbon” – but it’s not an exact translation?

Guruji: Alakh Niranjan: Alakh means – which remains unseen, which can not be seen. Who or what is beyond carbon, remains unseen.

And what is the continuation?

Guruji: Alakh Datta, Guru Datta: the giver, Guru, Dattatreya – also remains unseen. Here I’ll elaborate just a little: the Prana vayu, which is moving inside sushumna, has a technical term: “atreya”. Which remains unseen.

Is it somehow connected with the rishi Atri?

Guruji: Yes, Datta Atreya- yes.

Also it came by itself?

how You can explain that energy appears from the pure thought?

Guruji: from the ocean of consciousness the wave of thought will appear – it will create energy. The rise and fall of the wave is enough to create big energy.

we’re calling the consciousness of matter – Brahma, the consciousness of the Void – Vishnu and the consciousness of Time – Shiva. Where is pure thought here?

Guruji: it connects matter with the void.

and we have no devata for this, no name?

Guruji: because it’s yogic realization – no devata is involved here. The word “Vishnu” is not for devata – the word Vishnu means who is limitless. Void is limitless and it is everywhere. Even your body is 99,9% empty space. It’s a carrier of all matter, all movements. All real world is the personification of energy, it’s last stage of matter.

You reminded me one incident; when all these things were blasted in my mind and I was becoming aware one of my relative disturb me and I was full of void. I said – you know, what is between us? He said – what? I answered – the empty space. Then he think I was gone mad. It was very difficult to restrain yourself of talking all these things. Who can deny this – there is empty space between us? It also tells me that when you realize some big thing – don’t talk to normal people, otherwise you will enter mad house very quickly.

GURUJI ABOUT GUNAS

all of us is in rajoguna: so could we say that rajoguna is predominant?

Guruji: no, they are equal. It is for living beings that they are somehow are under influence of certain guna more, some less – it is on living beings. Otherwise they are existing same. All the trees are in sattva guna. Whoever, who is not getting the physical body of menstrual blood is in sattva guna.

There are not exact boundaries between Void and Time. Where is the boundary line between water, steam and ice? Depends on circumstances. All gunas make themselves and felt according to the circumstances, express that way.

is it possible to have some influence and expressions of sattva guna being in tamoguna?

Guruji: of course, yes. The touch is always there. If your brain can access it – you will express something of sattvaguna. Even the biggest idiot can say something very wise from time to time. It’s not a continuous process, it’s mixed up program.

every guna gives the misunderstanding of other gunas – or it’s only for tamoguna?

Guruji: they don’t have so much intellect, yes.

if we’re in rajoguna – we’re perceiving gunas as they are?

Guruji: because we’re more intelligent then tamogunic person; tamogunic person will even not bother about it; he is just see what’s happening around. To perceive gunas as they

are is very high level of development.

so even in rajoguna we can perceive sattvaguna as tamoguna for example?

Guruji: when you will reach the limit of rajoguna – then you will becoming aware of sattvaguna, not in the beginning. Confusion is all pervading.

how we will perceive gunas if we will reach sattvaguna?

Guruji: then you will be in position to observe tamoguna and rajoguna in their totality and also to express sattvaguna.

is it true that Ksha is also called Kalagni?

Guruji: yes. All came from Time, everything. It’s poetic way of saying that when you’ve start the fire - so much energy will come, you will be able to see, you will be able to cook – whatever you want to do; you can use fire to whatever you want. But then they also say: be very careful with fire and water, raja and yogi: you cannot be without them – but be careful.

Kalagni – is the fire of pralaya?

Guruji: no. we can say – this creation is a pot, and sitting on the oven and Kalagni is kindle it; and so much energy is created: energy is cooking. The whole creation is being cooked!

VOID

Guruji has already spoken about time. In Russia, an astrophysicist claimed that time generates energy in the universe — it is the source of stellar energy. Could Guruji please talk about time?

Guruji: Energy may not be the right translation of the word Shakti.

Shakti, Void is representing Shakti.

See, it is the only stable thing in the creation and holding every movement of all matter inside.

Only that is power.

LET IT BE LIGHT

atma means spirit?

Guruji: atma means self.

what is atmosphere then?

Guruji: it means atma looks like a sphere.

why space is so dark?

Guruji: space is not dark. We think it is dark – but it is not dark. Because our eyes has limitations – so we cannot see it in its totality, we cannot hear – we’re living in so much sounds but we don’t hear them. Now we discovered the dark energy and dark matter; and the real power is in the dark. When god said – let it be light – it means, he was sitting in the dark. That’s why he lives inside the heart in absolute darkness, swimming in blood.

RAJAS SATTVA AND VASUDEVA

when we are in mother’s womb- we are in tamasic state; but at the same time it is said that such state is similar to samadhi?

Guruji: it is not similar to samadhi. Many people tried to find a similarity between the state of samadhi and state of the foetus – because he is not breathing from the nose, he is breathing with the navel. But it doesn’t mean he is in samadhi. But he is more aware of the other side, from where he is coming. So people said that – because he is aware of that side so he is maybe in samadhi. No.

after human takes birth – he is in rajas?

Guruji: the moment the foetus begins to develop with the menstrual blood – he is in rajas. The sperm was in tamas state.

when during yoga practice yogin could attain samadhi – he somehow touches the sattvic state: is it true?

Guruji: no. as long as the blood will continue to flow- you will remain rajasic. But after samadhi you will begin to understand what is sattvic. Even that is a big accomplishment.

when the yogi reaches the certain level he starts to see Vasudeva who is in the heart…

Guruji: here I will remind you that Vasudeva and jivatma are synonyms, means one and the same.

but the heart is filled with blood; it is full of blood? Soheart is in tamasic state?

Guruji: no. the heart is supplier of the blood as well. Ishwar lives inside the heart so it cannot be tamasic.

why Vasudeva is living in such a place?

Guruji: he loves to live in dark. And blood is the fount of life – as all vampires and bible says. Don’t connect it with the darkness.

LORD MORPHEUS

interesting that almost every tribal and ancient culture had the god of dreams; maybe it was some kind of Bhairav, connected with the land?

Guruji: no; you look at it from hindus point of view: they say – this world is a dream: so god must be the Dreamlord – endless and beginningless. He is manipulating dreams, he is a creator of shapes: so god maybe the Lord Morpheus. In a Greek mythology Morpheus is the Dream Lord – so maybe god or Brahma or other – they are the dream gods. Only they can manipulate the dream, what is happening in the dreams.

Hanuman Ji is the most powerful force in astral; and even to experience a dream – you need breathe: and he is the son of the air element; he is triggering everything. No breathing – no dreams. Hindus say: whatever we experience – it’s just a dream of the god. Everything is illusion. But reality – what is reality? It's a dream, it’s an illusion: so as illusion – it is real: that is reality. Hindus were very deep thinkers. So god must be the Dream Lord – or the magician, who is creating this illusion. As a member of the audience we should enjoy the illusion.

we must wake up from this dream?

Guruji: when you’re in a very great dream when you wake up – you’re disappointed. Better to go on sleeping.

if you wake up – you can create your own dream?

Guruji: see, this is the very big problem to create your own thing: what we are creating for us? Nothing. We’re not good in creating. So make good use of the service which has been provided.

it exists some cases when we can wake up and create something?

Guruji: they start to enjoy the illusion. Because when someone else is creating – you are free to criticise or praise; but if you’re doing it yourself – you won’t like criticism.

who was the first creator?

Guruji: god. But then again: English word “god” means “devata” in hindi. And I don’t see any English synonym of Bhagawan and Ishwar.

who is Brahma?

Guruji: Brahma means the great mind; and this is what exist and came into be – he remembered and everything begin.

so he was not creating, he remember?

Guruji: he remembered – and then begin to imagine: and that imagination is the Creation.

that is the question: is it possible to create without remembering?

Guruji: remembering helps you! Because it has already been done: so you can either make it better or make it worse. Suddenly out of the blue to have the very original idea for creation is not even possible for Brahma himself.

so the first original creator was Shiva Ji?

Guruji: with Time everything evolves. Time is the great creator or great evolver – whatever you can call.

we discussed a lot about Castaneda’s teachings – that it was mostly half-truth; but what do You think: such people themselves – could they really be the Lords of the dreams and control the dreams?

Guruji: any powerful astral being can manipulate your dream, because it is astral experience. It depends, how much powerful you’re in the astral. Power of the mind matters there.

Q; so we can see only two options here: or you are a yogi and evolving yourself – or if you’re some kind of magician and you establish the connection with someone powerful on that side?

Guruji: of course. At least we realised that Creator is the Dream Lord here. I remember Martin Luther King speech: “I have a dream” – it was fantastic.

MATTER IS THE MOTHER OF ALL CREATION

about galaxies and Universe: as I understand galaxy is like purusha – like body of the body; what is Universe then? Millions of galaxies?

Guruji: it’s a big egg. One day it will unite with some big sperm and it will take birth.

it’s mind-blowing – like at the same time inside and outside! And we can perceive one minute as s million years, and one million years like one second; could we apply the same to the matter? Like the smallest thing inside the galaxy and galaxy as a smallest thing?

Guruji: yes. Everything has no end: even virus has the other viruses in their bodies. Bacteria has many bacteria living inside them. There is no end of life.

but Time has no calculation?

Guruji: calculation is in our nature – not in Time.

but matter has the same qualities?

Guruji: it is our observation and our study of Time and matter; otherwise they are just existing in their natural state, knowing everything – which we’re trying to decipher. Matter is the mother, mater, Mata of all creation.

where is Brahma then?

Guruji: brahma is the mind. Matter is conscious so there has to be some mind.

it is said that Universe is like the ocean…

Guruji: of consciousness. Then there is another ocean which we called Shiv Sagar: all planets, all matter is floating on it.

what is the Earth in all these things?

Guruji: a super egg.

when You’re in samadhi – You can go through all the matter?

Guruji: you begin to understand the consciousness of the matter.

consciousness of the matter and consciousness of the void: they have their physical shape?

Guruji: they have their own individuality, yes.

that individuality maybe have not human – but other shape which can be perceived?

Guruji: yes, earth element is like golden square: they have their essential shape. Any consciousness has its own shape.

what is behind the egg?

Guruji: a Shakti, a woman. Only she will introduce you to the father – after transformation.

but if the yogi will decide to stay with the Mother Earth – the transformation will not take place?

Guruji: only immortality will give you this option.

Your existence, your body, your being is the centre of your Universe – what else?

is it possible to see the gunas?

Guruji: first it is possible to feel them. When you will become aware – you will feel. Just a matter of awareness.

before we discussed that everyone who was born and has blood inside – they are in rajoguna?

Guruji: that is my observation, yes. Only I’m saying this.

yes; so mostly we will see rajoguna?

Guruji: mostly – yes; but even in rajoguna there are some degrees, some different touches.

are they really of three colours? White, red and black?

Guruji: we can say – yes.

we talked that the white is the combination of all colours; maybe the Void is also consists of all the colours?

Guruji: it is the carrier of all. It’s a colourless thing as it carries everything. It is the carrier of everything – including colours and light and whatever you want to say. But it’s the very different thing. When you become aware of the Void – it’s the very overwhelming experience.

When you want to know about yourself and discover who you are; when you go in the process – that creation, this creation; then when you will more evolve – you’ll realise that is your conditioning of the mind from different sources. When you will get over these conditionings – then maybe some glamour of what you really are will start. Which can not be so glamorous as you think. It’s just a conditioning of certain thought. Who we are – you will discover. Give it time!( smiling). Till then – it is just a romantic idea.

Be honest with yourself, keep developing your consciousness and your mind: one day you will realise, who you are. Then a different chapter will begin in your life.

You said even we all are in rajoguna – but with the different touch of other gunas: on what it depends?

Guruji: it all ultimately goes back to the level of the consciousness and awareness. Whatever your level of consciousness is – your awareness will be like that. Gunas have their own consciousness and they are eternal things.

psychological state or emotional state are not connected with gunas?

Guruji: gunas have the great impact on your psychological state.

common opinion that of you feel very sleepy and lazy – it’s effect of tamoguna?

Guruji: it is too much simplification of it. Or you go and do something – oh, devil make me do that: devil is too busy to make you do idiotic things.

what can be an example of a certain man living in rajoguna when he has a touch of sattveguna on him?

Guruji: practice of yoga is the only way. There is no other way.

what is the tamoguna effect?

Guruji: it is described in Gita: you can see the food he eating and his living conditions.

how we can subdivide and recognize where one guna ends and another starts?

Guruji: they are all mixed up. To realise them in their purest form takes very long tapas. Great development of mind.

if we do some deed – we couldn’t say it’s pure rajasic or pure tamasic?

Guruji: no. the reflection of other gunas will remain.

KNOW THE VOID

I found the translation of the word “akash” like ether or space; what is better?

Guruji: both of them are wrong; akash literally means “sky”. Which is empty space. Void is beyond that. Space? Of course we can call it “space” because it is empty space; but outer space and Void is different. These 5 elements are combined only on planet Earth.

beyond it is only Void – or it’s something else there?

Guruji: Void and Time. Beyond that – we don’t know.

so the Time is the beginning and Time is the end?

Guruji: Time is Time. Alpha and omega is Time.

what is true: someone says Vishnu is the Void, others says that Shakti is the Void?

Guruji: this is another point because you don’t know Sanskrit language: the word “Vishnu” literally means “which is everywhere”. So the Void is everywhere. And if you take the word “shunya” – Void is also called “shunya”; Shakti and shunya are synonyms in Sanskrit. It’s a language program.

how we can understand shunya? Because we’re already in shunya all the time?

Guruji: but we’re not aware of shunya!

When you will begin to experience the main property of shunya – Naada; first you will realize Naada as a result of your daily excellent practice of yoga; and when you will begin to experience Naada – and you will merge in it more and more and more; then after some time you will start to be aware of shunya. Then new journey will begin after that.

That is the main property of shunya.

Naada is the yogic method to enter into shunya?

Guruji: yes. Naada only comes as a result of yoga practice. Kriya yoga practice.

that yoga which is called Naada yoga…

Guruji: that is the result! Read 4th chapter of Hatha Yoga Pradipika with my commentary. It is also the result of achieving khechari mudra correctly: they are connected. Naada is the vibration of the Creation. Wherever where is vibration – there is a sound. Wherever where is sound – there is vibration.

it will concern only the new sound of Naada we will perceive?

Guruji: any sound

ALL IS CONSCIOUSNESS

how you will realise that something is conscious – like the matter is conscious?

You can see it; but how you can know?

Guruji: that’s why we try to develop our consciousness! Only the developed consciousness will become aware of it. That other thing that you were think is nothing – is conscious.

it is like communication between two consciousnesses?

Guruji: no, first you will become aware: communication will come much later.

so you will understand that it is like living being which could feel, which could perceive…?

Guruji: and the most powerful thing – if you can call it a thing: it is carrying all movements of the matter! Life is because of it!

for me it is still like a miracle – that the matter could be conscious!

Guruji: matter is conscious. Just look at the atom: why it has movement if it is not conscious or it is dead? There should be no movement; but it is moving in a certain way. Particles are changing their behaviour by observation. It is exactly like we see in India: if people begin to look at you – you’re suddenly more well-behaved – so you change your behaviour. They are very sensitive beings – every particle. For us it’s a particle – but it may be the very sensitive being.

but again this is unbelievable: one thing is to know or to read about it and another thing is to perceive it?

Guruji: reading is just information and part of education- butyour experience and ability to understand what you are experiencing: for this we need a little bit of brain development.

Dissolution

Guruji: "To dissolve the creation, Shiva-ji doesn't need to take another form - He can do it in the small, human form as well. All He has to do is to create a vibration at the molecular level; all matter will come in harmonization with that, causing it to come apart and dissolve."

seeing only the outer space could see the fire, tejas, which are in space; but that one, who has the vision of the Universe knowledge – he could see it in any place?

Guruji: yes.When your consciousness is not limited on that planet – Earth – you will see the fire in all creation – it is there. There are many suns, who are carriers of fire, energy. That means – you have to go beyond this planet experience. Then you will see – everything is everywhere. That will make you very humble person.

Calculation of Time by hindus is too big. That’s why I would like to make one point very clear: what we call mythology – puranas – actually they are called history. It’s very- very long history from the moment of the creation begin.

what was before the creation?

Guruji: only Time was there. It was big gap between creations; only Time and Void was there; out of their union the matter was born and the creation begins.

in Shiva Purana they said that it was only the void, which is devoid of tejas elements – what is it?

Guruji: seed of creation. Tejas is the word used for that seed also.

first the Void have no that seeds and then…?

Guruji: the union of Time and Void is taking place – that how it begins.

PRAKRITI, PURUSH, GUNAS.

Prakriti is the energy of Purush. That combination creates too much energy. Literally speaking, gunas means virtue. People are discussing too much about them – but they are welcome thing. Virtue is the very good thing to have.

so energy is in unmanifest form in Purusha?

Guruji: unmanifest maybe not the right word here; let’s say – we’re not aware of it. Energy is there, but it remains unseen for us. Like electricity – you never see it.

what is kaivalya?

Guruji: when you’re gone back to the source. Kaivalya means “me, only me” or “I”. it came after last Samadhi, which Yoga Sutras have described. Samadhi is the result and stepping stone for kaivalya. In third chapter many uses of Samadhi are also described.

Purusha is immortal?

Guruji: like beginningless and endless.

why he needs this experience with gunas?

Guruji: for entertainment. if you’re beginningless and endless – you will continue be there for eternity: to pass time you need some entertainment. very complex and delicate game, which is happen time to time. When one game is over – another begins.

SENIOR AND YOUNGER IMMORTAL

It is written in ayurveda books that Datura can be of four types – but only now all four came.

again Shiva Purana: cosmic egg consists of 24 principles?

Guruji: Kapil muni describes them in Sankhya Darshan – whole creation consists of 24 elements. He says that you examine one by one and after 24 what will remain – will be the Creator. They say that everything come out of water. “Virat” means like a bubble on the ocean. In ocean of the creation one bubble is one Universe. From inside that world seems very big, and from outside – it’s just a bubble. In Shiva Samhita it is said, that siddhas like Kapil muni, became a siddhas by practicing mahamudras. So we have hope.

which kalpa is it now?

Guruji: Shweta Varaha kalpa. Only in hindu books such calculations are given. There is the beauty of hindus: every priest when he’s doing sankalpa – he starts the time calculation from the beginning of the creation to that particular moment. every puja, every ritual.

6.CREATION CAN BE ANNIHILATED WHEN SHAKTI CHAKRA IS SOUGHT

Guruji: it’s very simple analogy here; we have realised the power of atom – that is the minutest unit of matter. And we have realised the Void is the carrier of all matter, all movements are possible because of the Void; so suppose if your mind become so powerful by the terrible effort that you’re able to see the minutest unit of the Void and able to do things which can be done with atom – the destruction it can create is beyond human imagination. The whole material Creation will be simply no more. That terrible power comes when somebody will become like Shiva.

this terrible power can be attained by samyama on these elements or on atom?

Guruji: no, this is away from Yoga Sutras – these are Shiva Sutras: way beyond samyama.

32. WHEN EXISTENCE IS ANNIHILATED, IT COMES FORTH AND EXPERIENCES THE DREAM

Guruji: yes, when existence is annihilated then you realise the dream, which you started to fulfil.

it’s a dream like desire or wish, not a dream like sleeping state?

Guruji: no, of course not

could we say that after the annihilation of the Universe all of the people who doesn’t reach self-realisation will lose their individualities?

Guruji: individuality will always remain – but in a very sublime way.

what will happen with the immortal spirits which were living in the bodies – they will come home or they will merge with the source, with the Time?

Guruji: they will be with the Time: they will start talk and communicate with the Time Itself. Just imagine, how much ambition and knowledge and compassion they can receive from Time Itself! That communication will begin then. Here one thing comes to my mind: Gita says: when you are joined with your dream maybe to fulfil it- then the yoga will take place, you will remove all miseries. We can understand this shloka from this new point of view.

before I think it’s about to sleep properly…

Guruji: the translation is about the sleep, but here we’re discussing dream. And what dream you will have? 98% of your mind is usually sleeping and you have the dream; when you put some terrible effort to realise it: even the shloka from Gita maybe indicating towards that. Yukta swapnavabodhasya yogo bhavati duhkhaha: awareness of the dream, when you’re united with that – then the yoga will take place and it will remove all miseries- it fits!

what do You think: in the case of pralaya could the immortals like Babaji have their self-realisation and see the birth of the new Universe?

Guruji: this has been recorded in Yoga Vasishtha; the most famous immortal crow – kag Bhushundi just spends his time because he wants to see tandava again and again. By his own mental power he remains in the Void and see the dance and then see the creation of new Universe; and he creates his own mental world there and lives in it. He will have the absolute independent existence.

62. CREATION IS A TREASURE OF ONE’S OWN REALIZATION

Guruji: this is what we discussed: by this creation – so the creator can study its own nature.

is it possible to get access to such treasure after death?

Guruji: if you have work hard to develop your consciousness- after death it will be even more open and you will be looking at things from a different point of view and perspective – so you will learn more. Before – we must learn and we must develop our mind, brain and consciousness because that is main tool for everything.

Even in Brahma Sutras – we have not starting discussions, maybe one lucky day; after knowing everything – then the question come: who was knowing it? Then their attention goes to the brain and mind.

I have the strong feeling that everything around me is maya. So if the person is doing some spiritual practice – not the yoga, some another one – could he freed from this maya by it?

Guruji: you cannot get out of something which you don’t know.

Maya simply means: “which exists but remains unseen”. The element air is existing but nobody could see the air – or akash, or your spirit. I’ve never see anyone, who can recognize maya. You cannot go beyond what you don’t know.

According to yogic point of view – as long as you’re breathing – you cannot be away from maya. If you go into suspended animation – on that particular period you will be out of maya. Only going out of maya you’ll can observe it. One day one sannyasi came and he was so much preaching about going beyond maya; I said: who created maya? Then he said: god created maya. And I simply said: because I’m devotee of god – so what he’s created, I accept. I have no desire to go out of it.

Yoga not differentiate between man and woman: both have spirit, both are breathing, and both can realize their spirit and make it their friend.

they have different possibilities?

Guruji: equal possibilities – but for a girl maybe more. If somehow they’re able to take a big decision – then.

It’s nature of woman – they like to remain hiding.

this world is in Alakh Niranjan – or somewhere else?

Guruji: we can call it Alakh Niranjan, beyond carbon. The world, which is a cause of everything, is Alakh Niranjan.

… that literally means “who came into being on his own”( about Earth). Brahma – the creator – is in muladhara and the earth element is there; then in swadhisthana somebody is saying it is Vishnu, another – there are Radha and Krishna and the water element is there. Then in manipura chakra – Rudra is there; then anahata – there is IshwaRudra, even more powerful than Rudra. In vishuddha chakra is Sadashiva and in agnya – Shiva.

and in Sahasrara?

Guruji: Shiva, or let’s say Paramashiva. Hundred years of Brahma is one day of Vishnu or Krishna; and hundred years of Vishnu is one day of Rudra, one hundred years of Rudra is one day of IshwaRudra, 100 years Ishwarudra – 1 day of Sadashiva and 100 years of Sadashiva is just a million’s part of million part of one second of Shiva, whose time no one can calculate.

how it is connected with our body?

Guruji: it is directly connected with all the chakras. Somebody is saying that all chakras could be awaken by the certain program – never believe them. If your chakras will be activated, you will have the direct connectivity with all that great powers.

so you must be immortal for this?

Guruji: you will be immortal. Or let’s say you will live for billions of years. That is as good as be immortal. Whatever is in the body is also in the Creation, the Universe. Everything is directly connected; we need to establish the access, than the connectivity will give the certain powers. Then you will be one with the Universe and you will live as long as the Universe will live. And I think – practicing yoga is the first step taking towards this achievement.

and what is the second step?

Guruji: second step – the achievement( smiling). And third step is the enjoying the achievement. And the half-step – three and a half – when you become bored with the enjoyment of the achievement. Then you will be still in equanimity.

so some people cannot reincarnate, just go to the void? But go to the void is nothing?

Guruji: no, not nothing. Nothing is the essence of everything. Beyond material things is nothing. Alakh Niranjan – beyond the carbon: that is the real source of life.

If you have reached the source of life – you will go to it, and that remains beyond carbon, beyond 5 elements. But till it happens – let’s enjoy the different combinations of 5 elements.

BRICKS + CEMENT = BUILDING

in Bhagavad Gita 15 th chapter is said that all beings are affected by the three gunas; it is in physical or in astral also?

Guruji: this creation were created with the bricks of 5 elements and three gunas work as the cement. Everybody inside creation will be affected by that.

It is not the question of affecting, it is the recognition that how the creation was created, what was the brick and what was the mortars and cement: these are three gunas.

As long as you’re not Alakh Niranjan you will have the affect.

But then again: you see, this house is also like that; we’re using it, we’re affecting by this, directly or indirectly – but we’re not affected at the same time. We must be like that in creation.

but 5 mahabhutas are vibrating on different vibrations?

Guruji: let’s say – they are like bricks, which creates the house and three gunas are like cement. It is like quantum physics: everything is vibration, but from this point of view it is looking solid and the house was built; and all 5 elements are like bricks and stone, three gunas are like mortars and cement which put them together; this house is important to us, because we live in it, and 5 element – bricks, mortars and the cement are affecting us, but at the same time we’re not affected by it; we’re doing our own thing. We must take the creation from this light, from this point of view.

how can we say – sattvic cement?

Guruji: good house, bad house. House is a house, home is a home.

Sattvic house is home, - otherwise it’s just a place where you go.

in astral world we are also affected by the three gunas?

Guruji: astral world is the part of this creation – so they are all affected till they go beyond this.

if we were in rajoguna in physical world, when we go to astral – it will change or remain like that?

Guruji: that impact will remain, only your point of view will be different. More understanding will come when you’re in astral.

so if we die in rajoguna here…?

Guruji: same mental condition; but you will be aware of more things then now. Only in physical body you will be given a chance you can establish yourself in sattvaguna. Whoever is born – is in rajoguna.

it’s impossible to attain it in vayu sharira?

Guruji: 5 elements have their own power.

gunas are affecting the body – or the consciousness through the body?

Guruji: body is representing your conscious mind – so it will directly affect you; both ways. Suppose I’m wearing the shoe, but this is thorn somewhere; nobody else know it – but I know it so it will continue to bother me. How you will say – it is affecting me physically or mentally?

both ways?

Guruji: exa ctly!

Q: recently in the movie I’ve heard that Earth is like gigantic garden where the dead bodies are the seeds – we constantly planting the dead bodies so we actually give more seeds to the living?

Guruji: probably – earth to earth, dust to dust.

Q: are we fueling the system with our mind, with our life?

Guruji: no, it’s too big thing for us – to fuel the system. We’re not impacting it. Have you read, that sex is maya?

Q: yes, I’m agreed- illusion continue.

Guruji: it will continue.

Q: but it tricks us to this endless cycle to have continuity – so it’s not our fault?

Guruji: that is the reality-show: you need to understand this and get over it.

We should take the mythology more seriously. They say this is actually the big ocean – about whole Universe. Or maybe many different types of Universe are holding on it. And sometimes it refers to the (mystical name, must listen to video); – this name was given, nobody knows the meaning of it. Only one ocean, and in that – all these planets and other things are just floating on the surface of the water. So Shakti was taking a bath in that ocean. Only Earth is the carrier of all forms of lives. There are many hypothesis about aliens but so far nobody seen them. And if they’ve been seen – they are time travelers from Earth to Earth. Different time frames. Now we have so much technical devices – Hubble – not a single planet have been seen yet. Maybe they are exist, but not in our area of perception. So much UFOs have been seen from the ships in the ocean and they dive down into the water. So maybe aliens civilization lives under the water. And because of the pressure they need to come over.

Maybe we are imagination of the Earth herself. Because Earth is the very big mystery. No religion depicts the gods live on Earth – they are always somewhere else. And maybe only on earth you can die. And sushumna and smashan are one and the same according to Hatha Yoga Pradipika, that’s why we are feeling ourselves different here. We are living inside sushumna, because smashan also means sushumna. And we are trying to awake our sushumna living on smashan – perfect situation.

And I also discovered that whatever everybody keeps on saying that the whole world is an illusion – I find it very real. The world is not an illusion for me, it is very real. When you became more nervous, more emotional, more sensitive – it is progress. And also the practice will give you enough strength to analyze your own emotions, your own mentality and that will give you more maturity, and you will be able to cope with everything whatever comes your way. You will face it with a very different attitude… I think it is the most misleading statement – if you cannot understand the world you will consider it to be an illusion. It is better to understand that God has created it for a special purpose, and what God has created cannot be illusion. And look at it from a different point of view: even if it is illusion – it is a real illusion; it is as real as an illusion.

The worst thing is that human beings think their mind is dismissing. We keep on dismissing everything. If we don’t like something – we dismiss it. We keep on dismissing even our own experience. But yoga will make you accept whatever you face –accept it as it is. It is a doctor and it was very sad to see me in such pathetic condition – now it is happy. I am also happy. When a doctor is giving full opinion for your ask – you should be happy.

creator created very unfair game

Guruji: that’s why hindus not worshipping him. We simply cannot worship somebody who made so many mistakes. What do you can – nothing.

It might be indication: you have to expand your consciousness so you will finally realize – what is nothing. Nothing means no thing, something beyond things, material things – so more certain things will come. Search for nothing!

this material world is the body of Brahma?

Guruji: brahma in my opinion is your mind and Earth might be having its own mind. Everything has consciousness.

in the preface of Gita Shiva is the body of Time, Vishnu of the Void…

Guruji: I think it’s a different combination; matter – it is very difficult to give a certain form to matter. From micro to macro it is everywhere. From the particle to the biggest galaxies, stars and planets. How you’re going to imagine matter in its totality? If such a gross thing we’re unable to visualize – then water impossible, it has no form also. Fire also – and these are gross things that you cannot see but our life depends on it. Akash you can’t even touch or see. We cannot visualize such gross things – and the spirit suppose to be beyond these five.

so vayu sharira and spirit are different things?

Guruji: vayu and akash are two elements and the spirit is inside them.

Having out of the body experience is not so important. One day everybody will have it finally. The main experience is inside the body experience for a very long time.

it exist the silver cord between body and spirit?

Guruji: I’ve read about it in western books but never saw it myself. Maybe some energy takes the visible form. Never seen it.

Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva

Ancient sages realized three states of the creation and introduced their presiding gods as Brahma, the creator; Vishnu, the fosterer; and Shiva, the destroyer. A pondering on these symbols from modern perspective leads us to a new meaning of all these symbols.

The principal basis of the creation is matter. As far as eyes can see, there are very many forms of matter that are visible. Right from the gross to the subtle, the matter with its entire immensity is present within the infinitude of the universe. The term Brahma means ‘unlimited immensity’. It is a symbol of the immensity of matter, the principal basis of this creation, or it may be said that the root consciousness of the conscious matter was adorned by the term ‘Brahma’ by the sages.

Lord Vishnu contains the creation and while containing it, he also fosters it. We have read this in the scriptures. After pondering upon this we find that the element that contains the matter is ‘void’ or the empty space. So much so that upon studying the smallest unit of matter – the atom, we find that the void exists between the centre of the atom and the particles moving around it. The support of the movement of matter is the void. Sages realized the capacity of the void to contain the matter and gave the name Vishnu to the consciousness of the conscious void.

When we split the matter and reach the atom, and then split it too, we can experience pure energy. In our quest for analyzing the energy or searching the root source of the energy, when we reach the original source, we are able to see that the advent of energy takes place from pure thought. Pure thought, which we can also term as the consciousness of the matter, is born from the conscious void. Pure thought alone is the link that establishes a relationship between the matter and the void.

Beyond both of these, the element immanent in the matter which is simultaneously immanent in the void and which is also the cause of annihilation of both the matter and the void, the one that is beyond everything and yet is always around us, the one which is standstill and yet appears as if it is moving, which our consciousness due to difference of levels beholds in various different forms, that element, the Time or the Kal was named as Shiva by the sages. Time is one such element, which we perpetually experience and yet its feeling is beyond all experiences. The time of matter is said to be finite, the time of void that contains the matter was also realized by the sages, but, who other than the Time itself can understand the time of the Time?

We often deliberate, ‘What existed when the creation was not there, the sky also was not there; even ‘Sat-Asat’ was not there?’ Those, who have practiced yoga and have succeeded in awakening their consciousness, could understand that what existed at that time was there in the womb of the Time. And, who other than the Time itself can reveal from where it came into the womb of the Time. Perhaps, because of this alone, the sages ideated Shiva in the form of “Ardhanarishwar”. From this, it does appear that the Time itself caused conception to the Time, and in the course of time it was born in the form of creation. After the time of the creation is over, only Time will remain.

The ancient sages, or rishis recognized the three states of creation, and introduced the presiding deities of these three states: Brahma - the creator of the world, Vishnu - the perserver and Shiva , the destroyer. If we look at this symbolism from a scientific point of view, we discover a totally different meaning to it.

Matter is the basic building block of the world; wherever we look, we find matter in myriad of forms. On both microscopic and macroscopic scales, matter pervades the whole cosmos. Brahma word literally means Infinitely Vast. It symbolizes the vastness of matter, the foundation of this whole creation. Or we can say that the sages gave the name Brahma to the inherent consciousness of conscious matter.

We've read in the scriptures that Lord Vishnu is bearing the whole creation, and also sustaining it. When we think about it, the entity which bears or contains matter is empty space, or void. Even when we study atom - the smallest unit of matter, we find that there is emptiness between the nucleus and the electrons revolving around it. This void, or emptiness is the basis for matter's motion. The sages identified this ability of Void to hold matter and gave the consiousness of this conscious emptiness the name, Vishnu.

When we break down matter into smallest units, we reach subatomic particles, and when even those are further broken down, we discover pure energy. Investigating this pure energy in order to find its true source, we find that energy originates from pure thought. This pure thought, which we can also call the consciousness of matter, originates from conscious emptiness. This pure thought is the link which brings matter and void together.