Possession and exorcism

EXORCISM

what do You think: in most cases exorcism is fake – because spirits doesn’t afraid the name of Jesus or Allah?

Guruji: if the priest is having some power – then it will work.

his personal power?

Guruji: this personal power mean that he has contact with some powerful spirits or some angels and then he will invoke them to remove that particular entity or devil; in old times all possessions were considered as devil. Then it will work. If you’re simply shouting them without having any contact with some angels or powerful spirits – nothing will happen.

I think we’ve already told you the story, which we see ourselves: my youngest brother was the very famous ayurvedic doctor in Gwalior.

One young man from near village – he also wanted to be ayurvedic doctor, so he brought him in ayurvedic college in Gwalior. They studied Sanskrit and he was already a brahmin. One day he was passing through the narrow lane and there was one brahmarakshas – he possessed a woman and one shaman was trying to help her doing something. The woman was all out in possessed condition. And he simply said: oh, she’s just acting; if there is brahmarakshas – let him come to me, I’ll show him.

And he went away – it was winter time. He was living in a small rented room somewhere in Gwalior and he was studying in the night – in old times it was 8 o’clock or something. The door was slightly open. Suddenly he saw a short dark man wearing loin cloths entered the room and said: now I’m come – show me what you were challenging. He froze; then he begin to recite Hanuman Chalisa. But he was brahmarakshas: one line he said – next line that ghost were saying. And he recited everything – Durga Saptashati and all others, because he was a pandit – and the ghost was reciting the next line.

Then at about 4 o’clock he came running to my house shouting – please, save me! – knocking on the door. Then he fainted with the very high fever. There was very good tantric – Brahmachari Shardanan – who was the friend of my uncle; he tried so many things for one month – then somehow he compose him, not fully; his career was over, he had to leave studies, went back home – and never heard about him again. One thing: never challenge – you never know who will come. it happened in 1970 or 71, we were in a school then.

You think fight was about chanting the holy texts?

Guruji: no, he was chanting the holy texts to avoid him and make him run away; but he was a brahmin in his previous life, so he knew all these things – so even chanting those words will not work there, that’s the point. He simply said: I have come now: now what you will do?

One girl fell into a well; she was maybe 12. And in that well one brahmarakshas were living for the last almost 250 years, doing tapas for Shiva. He was disturbed and he possessed her to give her some punishment. And the girl begin to dress like a pandit and recite vedic mantras. But it’s a shame that a girl is dressing up like a pandit and behaving like him. she was brought here and Balaji asked me to deal with him. I simply talk with him: you’re a brahmin, doing great tapas for Shiva Ji’s grace, why are you doing this to the girl? – she disturbed me. – forgive her, she’ s just a child. And he was the real nice brahmarakshas, he forgave her. Everything was done.

This taught me a lesson that you also need to talk with them nicely instead of always behaving violently. There are some very good spirits, they will listen to the reason.

in the previous story he must ask for forgiveness – and everything will be good?

Guruji: but he did it in fear, he was very afraid. And he start by challenging. That was two different things. And the girl was not challenging, she just slipped and fell down in well where she was pulling water. and he was doing tapas for last 250 years – this is fantastic. And he listen to that: simply I talked with him nicely – and he listen to that. He said – yes, I’m sorry and simply went away.

The point is: nobody ever talks to them – that is another problem. Either people are afraid or they are challenging, nobody talks.

how exactly people become free of possession?

Rajkumar Sharma: he has the great power in the astral form and this possession, which attached to any human in the astral form – so spirits communicate with each other. That power, which he has, catches and controls that particular astral form and ask him to surrender. Because of Guruji’s blessing his astral form is very powerful – that is Patal Bhairavi.

Guruji is always present here or he’s coming in particular moment?

Rajkumar Sharma: at this time in this darbar Guruji’s always present. In some cases he just mentally remembers Guruji and he immediately comes in the astral form. All the spirits know Guruji and recognize him.

they have some kind of punishment or prison?

Rajkumar Sharma: he has thousands of thousands of spirits in his support. There are two types of reaction of spirits: one of them comes to surrender and are ready for do the good things – they are immediately added to forces, which he has. As to that, who are not so good – Patal Devi is very powerful and she just turns them to ashes - or hang them.

it’s some kind of possession by pishach?

Guruji: pishachas are very powerful, but they rarely appear near alive person. But pretas and bhutas – they come.

so it really exist alive people, who are possessed?

Guruji: in India they are many. In Europe also.

it is like mental disease?

Guruji: it’s absolutely different. Madness and possession are very different. But every doctor will take possession as a disease. The personality will change, he will shout and behave in different way. There are different shapes of it.

why in India are so many such cases?

Guruji: our population is huge – so the percentage is high.

what is the cause for spirit to possess?

Guruji: why criminal is trying to rob you? It is their nature. Sometimes it’s a matter of payback or revenge, such cases I have seen many times. Every ghost is powerful enough to do it.

how the spirit can enter the body – with food or alcohol?

Guruji: oh, even with the breath.

what is the kind of connection between spirit and ghost?

Guruji: ghosts also have the spirits. But for the general language they are called spirits also and they are called ghosts also. Ghost is the spirit of dead person.

when You first came to this place – how many ghosts were there?

Guruji: it was full of them. Only the royal family’s spirits are here, mostly now; and many Shivaganas and Nagas – they are here. All useless ghosts run away.

are the ghosts fighting for territory?

Guruji: of course they are.

which ghosts from royal family are here?

Guruji: those who were cremated here. In common smashan in the top of the man thousands others are cremated – then spirit is taking another birth. But here is special place with special monuments build on it – they are much more powerful spirits. Exclusive cremation point. Every king or queen, who were cremated here, are here.

when in Christianity they make the ritual to remove the ghost from possessed…?

Guruji: there must be some power behind the ritual. Behind ANY ritual. Because nobody knows the name of the god – it rarely works. Remember, ghosts are very tricky – they could fool the priest very easily.

in the case of Yogananda – why he was not cremated?

Guruji: he was sannyasi. It is the rule for the sannyasi – all of them buried, never cremated.

but in that case he could not have eternal life?

Guruji: I think he was very powerful and good yogi, which was demonstrate his body not corrupted after death. It proves it.

but he can not have another incarnation?

Guruji: that only Babaji can decide, he was working for him.

where the changes starts with yoga practice – in physical or astral body?

Guruji: both

I think from the beginning the spirit has problems with communication with the body?

Guruji: I’ve seen many times simply possession of the body – no problem

so we should be careful, what we inhale?

Guruji: you’re doing pranayamas – don’t worry

can spirit possess animal?

Guruji: yes, very easy. It’s much easier to possess an animal.

difficult to understand, that so much people are possessed

Guruji: no, it’s not a very big number. You saw the gathering which we applying for 6-7 months. In july it will be even bigger – about thousand people will attend.

but in other world they will be taken in clinic?

Guruji: yes, these people will be taken as schizophrenia or some other kind of madness and no cure will coming.

I saw the people that were cured by medicine from madness

Guruji: it maybe the genuine disease. But most of the medicines just calming them down, but not the cure. No doctor is the specialist for treating ghosts. Another thing: most of possessed are women. They are easier to possess because their bodies are able to carry two spirits in one time.

And I keep saying like any philosopher, that woman is a mystery. Not anything is written what happen with the woman after she dies. And in our ghost helping program not many women spirits are coming, 98% of them are men. What happens to a woman – remains a mystery.

mostly the men are talking through women?

Guruji: yes, mostly like that.

GANAS AND POSSESSION

when You told about Your first experience of samadhi – You told about the smell of humanity: but could You subdivide the smell of fear, the smell of anger for example?

Guruji: yes, you can understand it.

how fear is smelling?

Guruji: not good. When you will smell it – you will know it. Like colours – there is no classification of the smell: whether it’s good or bad: but there is so much inside that. I'm not using any perfume even in gym.

yes, that’s the only gym with a good smell: how to also develop it?

Guruji: just regular practice. And wash yourself( laughing)

is it easy for the ghost to possess the human?

Guruji: it depends on your gana: if it is powerful then not so easy.

it depends on mental power of the person?

Guruji: no, only astrologically. Mental power is nothing and emotional stability also. If your ganas are rakshasas – then very difficult to possess. If manushya and dev – very easy to possess. Majority of my disciples are rakshasas. I also have it.

why the mental power doesn’t matter?

Guruji: what is the criteria of mental power? Education means nothing. Imagine: you’re going on the road and two mafia men with guns confront you: no matter how you try mentally to ward them off – nothing will happen.

but if you try to communicate them somehow?

Guruji: their purpose is fixed, no communication.

but if you try to hold only one thought, to concentrate only on it?

Guruji: it will never work. When there is no emergency, when you’re not facing any advert situation – it will make you feel good.

Otherwise, in the situation it will not be any help. Only your quick wick, your strength, - that will support you. And ability to run fast: it will definitely help( laughing)

if someone has parampara protection?

Guruji: then that situation rarely come in front of him.

and if it’s the ancestor’s protection?

Guruji: even then. Parampara protection is even more powerful.

so if we take the percentage one third part of the humanity is more or less protected, others – no?

Guruji: not one third, maybe one hundredth. Not everybody is rakshas: mostly manushya and dev. They are not equal in number.

Guruji: not exactly. Some people love to be possessed. Somehow they command a lot of attention from relatives and surrounding people. And they begin to like it. Human nature is very strange. But not every spirit trying to possess you – only in a special cases they do it. They have their own society.

pret and bhut they are different?

Guruji: generally people call them bhut. After Apocalypse only ghosts and spirits will remain. You cannot kill who is already dead. Dead man spirit is called ghost.

what is the reason for bhuts to possess?

Guruji: sometimes – to take revenge. Why criminal is robbing person? What is the theory behind it? Why policeman is trying to stop a robber or catch a criminal? Depends on the nature of the person.

it is karma?

Guruji: karmic theory again – nobody understand it fully. But we love to blame on karma everything. It’s my karma, it’s your karma, but what is karma – we don’t know. And god is responsible for everything – that’s why he remains hiding – that’s karma he create. Every time something bad happen people cry: oh god, what have you done? So he hiding somewhere.

Indians don’t worship the creator – but in other religions creator is worshipped. We simply cannot worship someone, who has done so many mistakes in creation.

But in other religion after mistake has been done many times they say: oh, that was his plan! It has to be that way! I’ve decifer the essence of the most religions. But I will answer only to who is serving for me at least 50 years( laughing) this time is required for development of your understanding.

is it possible to become possessed by some powerful spirit by the mantra?

Guruji: possession is 50/50 chance but he will suffer mentally – I have seen many people going mad and those who suffered in many different ways. Family suffers. They lose their respect – whatever smallest respect they commanding in life, they become laughing taunts and nobody noticed them. This is very torturous.

These are very mystical things. Until unless you find the very competent person who accepts your request to guide you and if he tells you something – do it very sincerely. Simply chanting the certain mantra or practicing something which gives you very elaborate results as writes most of the texts – it may be very dangerous to you.

why the person becomes a slave of such spirit?

Guruji: that is a price. If you demand something from the other side to this life – when you will go to the other side you will become a slave.

why spirits do that?

Guruji: they don’t want to have a body – they’re feel to possess anybody.

people start to recognize or to feel them, or spirits are possessing people?

Guruji: even people may not be possessed; but if the spirit is not friendly or let’s say the person has done something wrong – then the effect will come, he will continue to suffer and all these things is happen. Till somebody can diagnose it – we have seen many cases.

Guruji, You have seen so many possessed people – what is the cause of that?

Guruji: in 99,9% cases the problem starts by greed or jealousy of that person. In most of the cases the person or his family is guilty.

is it possible to enter someone’s body, who is not dreaming, and see through his eyes?

Guruji: I think it’s not the best idea to enter someone’s body and feel all his bad smells – but it’s possible. Even without entering the body you can see, what he’s seeing. The point is – is it necessary? I keep telling you – the smell of humanity is not tolerable.

Q: whe n you’re dreaming it is easier to possess someone?

Guruji: and someone can possess you also. It goes both ways.

if someone, whom you know very well, has the very strong thought about you – it’s like magnet?

Guruji: it is like telephone connection. Even without going to the astral world. When you’re calling someone you’re not going to a cyberspace and connect. It happens very easily.

OBSESSION

if the energy in the lowest chakra is broken the possession may come very easy?

Guruji: I have discussed with so many

ghosts – they never mentioned the word “chakra”. And I will say – every human

being is very proud of his possessions. Fame, money – we possess these things;

some ghosts are very proud to possess some people. You’re like money or profit

for them and they don’t care for chakras at all.

for them it’s like achievement?

Guruji: possessing someone is like buying

the new car, have fun or just to fulfill their unfulfilled desires.

but are You feel these chakras?

Guruji: I’m very sensitive, yes. They may

not be chakras; nerve centers – they are all over the body, you can call them chakras. Yes, I’m sensitive

to it.

Guruji: dead body was not eating – the powerful spirit in him.

meat just disappear in the astral world?

Guruji: the spirit, which entered this body just ate that. Not everything can be analyzed from the physic science point of view. There are many different principles which are beyond physical understanding.

as I understand some people took khechari mudra and something else – and then created the whole system on that?

Guruji: that was only to invoke the dead spirits and do something for the dead; not for self-awareness. Most of the spirits or ghosts when possess you – they enter your body through your breath: so when the tongue is there inside – it’s sort of shooed them away, so you remain safe. Everything is a power game. When we don’t understand something – we try to make an adjustment of physical things; and it takes years of serious practice, meditation and thinking – to realize what actually is happening.

You think she was possessed by some spirit?

Guruji: No, she was not possessed. Possession is a different thing: when you’re forcibly taken and you’re being misused; she was a very good medium — if we can call her that; but she has her own different qualities. If possessed person or a medium won’t be able to discuss on his own; but she was able to do that and in a very forceful way: that means she had own individual qualities. Then she was taught by Tibetan lama — or whatever spirit she was saying.

Is it possible to retain your individuality if you are possessed in a moment?

Guruji: No, it is your helping guys — it is not possessing you; it’s not a possession.

So she was able to invoke them anytime — like that?

Guruji: They were always with her. And if you just consider the time frame: with that program — the world is different after that. Krishnamurti also lived the very long life: he was at his late 90s when he died.