Where spirits come from and how they evolve

Q: So how the new soul are being born?

Sh: Well, in the white race no new souls are taking birth. It is decreasing in number.

Q: But the new souls can be born as people of the white race.

Sh: Of course, it is wrong to assume that number of souls it fixed. It is puzzle of God how many souls he wants to create.

we have the beautiful discussion that for the spirit the emotions are like great experience?

Guruji: they like the flavour.

for the spirit matters, which type of emotions he experiences? Someone likes positive emotions more, someone negative?

Guruji: this is our point of view. What is spirit’s point of view – only it can tell you. Good and bad is a religious thing, and to survive in society good and bad is defined very clearly; but they also carry the different flavour and emotion and the spirit is just studying them.

could it differ from spirit to spirit? Maybe someone likes to experience suffering so much that he makes the body he takes suffer more and more?

Guruji: I think that’s why the school of the emotion on this planet: so they come to study, take the flavour and go away. They must study all of them. Sometimes they create different situations so different emotions will come up.

ANCIENT SPIRIT, RELIGION and GODS

Guruji, it seems like the spirit was born first, before even gods came into being?

Guruji: yes

In a hierarchy of things can we say that gods are products of creation?

Guruji: gods also take birth in the stream of time and disappear again back into the stream of time.

But spirit prevails?

Guruji: spirit is just a drop of time.

So who is more ancient: the spirit as per say or the certain gods?

Guruji: the spirit: even gods are the spirit. even gods have spirits.

Regarding the religious beliefs and the slow transformation of the whole cultural landscapes like we say the religions were by products of monarchy or vice versa - their time came and they’re about to live; what do we view yoga as? Shiva Ji is the first Guru of yoga and he is still a divine force?

Guruji: from the primordial times, and from the vedic time only yogis were treating everybody as equal. But in all religions so much discrimination of classes and castes took place… I will say that every religion was born at the time of monarchies: so only yoga fits the times of democracy.

Modern people practice yoga and consider it a non- religious thing: however if you don’t respect the Guru, who gave you these teachings - you’re not practicing at all?

Guruji: I disagree with them absolutely. Yoga is the part of Hindu philosophy, one of the six philosophies which hindu is given - Samkhya, Yoga, Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Mimamsa, and Vedanta. So Yoga will always remain part of the Hindu tradition. No matter how you sell it, saying that Yoga is an international knowledge - originally it is from India. And the tradition of the Guru and disciple discipline will continue. If you have no respect for the Guru - you will have no respect for the teachings also.

So it can't be uprooted and it can't be said: we’re learning only that portion without exploring all the other parts of the teachings?

Guruji: No. This is how they are peddling yoga in the west.

This approach is popular today.

Guruji: But they are not sincere seekers - they just want to lose some weight or improve health or to do some physical training: that is enough for them.

I know it’s a rude assumption - but can we still call yoga the religious following then?

Guruji: There is a difference between dharma and the word “religion”: any organized system of beliefs is called religion; but in India we say -it is an eternal way, or sanatan dharma, a continuous process of exploring the truth and expressing it in many different ways. In Hinduism so-called religion does not depend on one single organization. it’s open for discussion, open to explore new - and it is open to so many things. but as long as we keep to our roots, keep watering them - we will continue to grow in many different ways.

is it big difference between the old and young spirits?

Guruji: You see, if you’re 10 billions years old and someone is 9,9 billions years old – it will not make a big difference.

it exists the opinion that if the person is very simple and behave only like to enjoy the eat and sleep – that means the spirit is young and just enjoying?

Guruji: his mind is! Spirit simply gives life – no more than that. And usually they keep quiet.

if some higher being is in a bad relationship with some spirit – he can always give him bad contracts?

Guruji: they are too mature for this( smiling), too far gone.

Question of disciple : let’s don’t touch Kriya yoga – just imagine such a situation. Some son lives somewhere in love and care of his parents, and he doesn’t care, where his parents earn the money for food and all everything. One day postman came to him and give him the letter from his Father – his father is the very honored being, or maybe not very honored – it’s not important; “ don’t you want to know about Father?”. And that son replies that “no, for me it’s enough, that he knows me”. Don’t you know – in that moment what the FATHER will feel?

Guruji: well, he abandoned me already. And those other man and woman took care for me. So I should care for them more, who are for me – as a nice human being. And until unless father tells me the good reason, why he abandoned me – why should I care? Where he was, when that man and woman – even if they not my biological mother and father – face all the problems and raise me? As a good human being it is out of my loving duty – to take care of them. The raising will depend on them, who raised me – their training and their teaching – only because of them I become a nice man.

If they want to know god – they come and consult the priest. They are specialists for taking different people to god. We’re ordinary people. We’re not priests and we’re not taking many people to god, and god is taking very good care of us. That is enough for me.

If somebody is so keen for finding god – he has my best wishes. And please, do your best for find god and when you see him – tell him my best wishes. We love you, god.

Instead of realizing your spirit or soul you are trying to please some unknown person. Let be more practical and find out, who created the souls. Spirits are coming from different sources. One source is too much simplification.

Everybody has the spirit inside. From the smallest of virus to animals and human beings – they all have spirits.

they are different?

Guruji: spirit is spirit. Sometimes animals are more wise than human beings. Usually they are.

but You said, that the spirit is not evolve?

Guruji: maybe becoming an animal is evolution for human beings: read some greek or roman mythology – most of the warriors are turning into birds. Maybe it’s next step.

let’s take Ravana’s example: now he is Ravannath – who is evolve? His spirit?

Guruji: spirit means the essence of life. Essence of life was there, but how he develop his life was up to him. he evolved – essence of life remained the same. It’s a bit complicated, but it’s a fact.

the spirit himself or herself knows his or her real source?

Guruji: of course.

but the sources are different?

Guruji: yes, I’ve come to this observation that different spirits have different origins. Different dimensions and different worlds also; different origins.

how much you know?

Guruji: oh, many-many.

can we subdivide them on different levels – like one are lower, another higher?

Guruji: yes, you can say like this.

it exist some connection between physical constitution of the body and source of the soul?

Guruji: I’m sure – otherwise why the spirits coming to particular genetics and DNA memories. It looks like big game of chess which is being playing on planet Earth. 8,4 billion bodies are here – spirit can come to any.

the spirits have different qualities? Or it is the body who give the qualities to personality?

Guruji: spirits almost have different qualities and characters – I’m sure about it.

what is the task of the human beings in this picture of nature?

Guruji: knowing itself through her. It’s not the task – it’s just the natural way. Task for human beings nobody knows. Maybe the task for every human being is to develop humanity.

Maybe now the interest to yoga is spread all around the world because of hindu spirits are taking birth everywhere. Or maybe vice versa all the spirits are born now in India because of here the population is increasing and in all Europe and in Russia also it is going down. So everybody is born in India now.

Absolute black cat is symbol of Kali.

WHAT IS VERY POWERFUL SPIRIT

Many times we hear the expression “very powerful spirit”: what are the criteria we call such spirits so powerful?

Guruji: The main scale is of the developed consciousness. With developed consciousness will come enough power for you to execute whatever you will or imagine. They are called powerful people.

So the spirit is powerful if he is able to influence physical matter?

Guruji: Anything.

Only with the power of his consciousness?

Guruji: Like a mafia boss: he has his power. He may not be almighty powerful physically – but his power is in his mind and ability to create an organization and to rule it; it’s a power. It will apply everywhere. I think from here to there – it’s all a power game. Even on the physical plane he’s actually sensing everything with his mind – but his senses are limited by his physicality of things; so this thing is printed too deep in his mind and consciousness, so he carries it over to his dreamland. I keep stressing: you have to expand your consciousness beyond your physical limit: then these things will be obtained. The physical senses experience everything; physical senses are nothing but the tools for the mind. So it is printed too deep in his consciousness, he will have to get over it. It changes absolutely everything.

What affects mundane dreams and higher dreams?

Guruji: S ame thing: his consciousness and mind are experiencing it. He needs to expand his consciousness beyond his physical limitations, which will come; you suddenly cannot decide into that. It is the result of prolonged practice and it will develop slowly. Understanding always comes slowly. As I said recently in my hindi video: people asked me questions and I gave them answers; they asked more so I was trying for them to understand those answers and I repeated them so much so I finally understood them. Still they are asking the same thing again and again.

It's like the ancient system when you made the child repeat and understand…

Guruji: You’re understanding in learning, yes.

That's what we do in Kriya: we repeat and repeat; during this process the air comes out?

Guruji: Air comes out and there is no demand for oxygen; heart slows down and stops – but slight movement remains, but the blood will not pass through it; and your subconscious mind will start to wake up. And in the whole body – no blood circulation. Very different thing.

Khechari is the first experience?

Guruji: Khechari is the one of the most important ingredients in this. Otherwise if you experience it – you will never come back, if there is no khechari. It's a big support system.

the spirits or souls are coming not from one source, but from different places?

Guruji: oh, yes( smiling).

is it somehow connected with astrology? Different nakshatras or ganas or something?

Guruji: exactly it is not known – all that different ganas has the spirit inside, but what is the real connection with the spiritual world?

so by astrology we can’t judge about origin of the spirit or soul?

Guruji: it is not possible to define or understand it by astrology.

If your brain is not intelligent enough – how you are going to command them? they are too big forces.

and on what level the spirit could become the disciple?

Guruji: I think there it will take some interest in you.

SCHOOL OF EMOTIONS

The mind will become like a rope on which you can climb to the very high reality. Your mind will be developed enough so it can imagine anything which can be possible and which can not be possible; so your consciousness will just spread. Mind is the rope on which you will climb on that level.

we have the beautiful discussion that for the spirit the emotions are like great experience?

Guruji: they like the flavour.

for the spirit matters, which type of emotions he experiences? Someone likes positive emotions more, someone negative?

Guruji: this is our point of view. What is spirit’s point of view – only it can tell you. Good and bad is a religious thing, and to survive in society good and bad is defined very clearly; but they also carry the different flavour and emotion and the spirit is just studying them.

could it differ from spirit to spirit? Maybe someone likes to experience suffering so much that he makes the body he takes suffer more and more?

Guruji: I think that’s why the school of the emotion on this planet: so they come to study, take the flavour and go away. They must study all of them. Sometimes they create different situations so different emotions will come up.

I have a question about our universe creation. Were all spirits created at the same time our universe was created. Do we have any new souls in here or it was just created and closed and then we are living. And if it was so, then why we have so different experience and tasks since so many years we have here like thousands and hundreds of years, so we have so many time to experience whatever we want here. So why we are so different?

A: Maybe, actually in non-religious books, we will find this thing, who actually created the spirits, so that remains a mystery. We read about creation of the universe, but nowhere actually mentioned who actually created the spirit or the soul. So I think their realm, if we can call this ‘realm’, is beyond this Creation. And maybe every creation, whatever we look around, just for their educational program and their entertainment. So spirits, because they are beginningless end endless, and they can go on for living forever and ever and ever… So to experience certain limit of time and certain different experience and different emotions, and that’s why so many different situations are created here in society from the beginning. Even dinosaurs were created different situations and they might also be having emotions. So it is a thrill and entertainment and education for the spirits to pass the eternity, learning and at the same time with entertainment.

Do they have any opportunity to have so newborn here, new souls?

A: Maybe. I mean we actually know nothing about the spirit’s world. So they may be increasing their population also, and they are sending their children here, for like we send our children to school, they are sending them here to learn, they learn from emotions, different things, situations.

it exists some paths or roads in astral world?

Guruji: spirits can move everywhere.

and the paths from physical to astral exists?

Guruji: it is more like teleportation – they don’t need paths or roads or something like that – nothing.

but maybe they have habits like we have?

Guruji: of course. And they like to have fun and entertainment to pass the eternity.

in shamanic tradition it is said that spirits has their own paths and shaman meets them there?

Guruji: it’s they way of expression the same thing. Suppose somebody is teleporting – how you will explain this? For simply saying you’ll say – he has his own path. That’s how these things begins.

what’s the difference between spirits, born like spirits, and spirits, born like a men?

Guruji: the difference in sexes is even in spirits. Male and female are even there.

it exists the spirits, never taking bodies – human or others?

Guruji: many, yes.

for what aim they were created?

Guruji: they are thinkers and planners. They are extremely powerful.

I don’t even know, how to connect: they are like rishi?

Guruji: let’s back to the comics world: have you see the Green Lantern? They are like Guardians, who have thinking and planning for billion of years. They have enough power to change their form at will, but the basic shape will remain always.

…nowhere in the books. It will be absolutely different experience. If somebody will even describe it, then what you will understand? That’s the point.

it’s very individual?

Guruji: it is individual as well as collective also. Because spirits are in everybody – from the smallest of virus to a blue whale.

the viruses also has spirits?

Guruji: of course. There is Vasudeva in the viruses also. Vasudeva is everywhere.

before someone tells you – it’s a sin – you don’t know, that it’s a sin?

Guruji: this is innocence – and innocence is a great virtue. That’s why most of the angels in churches are looking like 5-year old. Maybe they were trying to tell you about theta state of mind? Only thing is: believe in yourself, have faith in yourself, and be your own friend – that is the beginning. Atheist is not a person, who doesn’t believe in god; atheist is the person, who doesn’t believe in himself or herself. I’m not a human being – I’m a Christian, I’m hindu, I’m musalman – they doesn’t believe in themselves. That is real atheism. Very disturbing thought: no religion is no giving exact documented account, what happens to a woman when she passes away. All heavens are created only for men. What happens to girls – it’s a big mystery. I’ve been reading hindu books, bible, puranas, everything – but nothing mentioned about girls, what happened to them. I’ve been see many-many ghosts – but extremely rarely the woman ghost.

it exists the difference between men’s spirit and women’s spirit?

Guruji: they also are male and female, yes.

and female spirits reincarnate in women’s bodies?

Guruji: usually – yes.

so it’s not true if some women are saying that they were men in past life?

Guruji: it maybe just a complex of something.

So you will know your spirit before atit ghat?

Guruji: Much before: only then you will become aware of the timeline.

Are thousands of samadhis required?

Guruji: Yes

Is it sthitapragnya state?

Guruji: You can call it that if you want to put a name.

We will pull life after life in continuation or we could jump from one life to another?

Guruji: When you will pull – it will come in continuation. It is the explanation of Gorakhbodh.

So we can even find the first body which our spirit has taken?

Guruji: Yes.

So it will be the final real friendship and communication with the spirit – when we saw him without any body he took, just how he came for the first time?

Guruji: You will know everything.

The idea is unique – like we discussed about pure thought.

Guruji: Pure thought and cognition. By pulling the energy you will become extraordinarily powerful.

Even physically?

Guruji: Yes.

But if we pull the life where we were unhappy or unhealthy or the life was very short?

Guruji: Whatever: some energy was there.

Will it not spoil the results?

Guruji: No, the energy will come

EMOTIONS IS EVOLUTION FOR THE SPIRITS

what happens after the communication with the spirit and even knowing the source, Ishwar Himself – what will happen with the old spirit then?

Guruji: you will not need it – but it will continue as a spirit. They have billions and billions of different options. Even we are just one option for them. They may decide to stay with you like a friend. It is not our spirit: we belong to the spirits.

they were created like such higher beings? Or they also can evolve to higher levels?

Guruji: they are eternal forces. Evolution has no copyrights for human beings; they maybe evolving from the very different level, which we cannot even understand.

so when they take different bodies to animate – it’s not the evolution for them?

Guruji: what I have noticed so far, a little: they evolve by experiencing our emotions, different type of emotions. Somehow they are very deeply connected with the emotions. Human, animal – that doesn’t matter to them. And if you look around – there is such vast variety for the emotions. They like to experience that. Our emotions also; that’s why they create so many situations: because in every situation emotions changed. They relish that emotions, they love it.

so could we say that completely evolved spirit – it’s a spirit who have experienced all the emotions?

Guruji: there is always room for some more. There is no limit.

SPIRIT & MAGIC.

spirit is immortal?

Guruji: yes, it is believed that it is immortal.

and as I understand – it is possible situation to make the spirit the slave?

Guruji: yes, it is possible.

but it’s not possible to kill the spirit?

Guruji: it’s very interesting point – now you will know – Indians are first masters in tantra. Every indian is actually invoking the spirit and making him slave or work for him. How?

maybe by some ritual?

Guruji: the ritual is marriage – then they come together and producing a child – spirit is coming in him and you can command it. Simple situation!

We develop the very good system: when the father is dying – son is doing rituals for him, so he will remain good in spiritual world- and from that he supporting him. His life is good, and when he will produce a child – the spirit will come and take birth in the same – so the circle will continue. It is great tantra ritual.

it’s not possible to every spirit to achieve something in yoga?

Guruji: no.

again, for the spirits – to increase their level – it’s only yoga way or it exists some different ways?

Guruji: yogi becomes – as I’ve seen – the most powerful spirits. Independent.

do you have the cases, when some spirits with limitations come to you?

Guruji: many.

and you refuse to give them practice?

Guruji: yes, many cases.

you know from the beginning that it is useless?

Guruji: the person should appeal to me. It’s not a commercial way, so the person should make me interested in him. Communication depends on a person facing me. I think over the years you have noticed – I ‘ve never start any discussion. Not from myself.

you remember when we talk about limitations of the spirit in yoga practice?

Guruji: hindus are saying – it is karma, the samskar and awareness which comes with constant exposure to this creation. Even spirit needs to think.

is it possible that some spirit could not be learned in one life time and needs more?

Guruji: it is usual case.

so there is no chance to them?

Guruji: if they become aware – that is always a chance. If they will never become aware – there is never a chance.

could this limits be broken somehow?

Guruji: only by oneself, by becoming aware of your limitations; if you even don’t know, what limits you – how can you overcome that?

NOTHING IS THE ESSENCE OF EVERYTHING!

if all Christians or Islamic spirits are not incarnated and waiting for the judgement’s day – from where new spirits are coming to incarnate?

Guruji: there is no fixed population of the spirits

but where they all are living?

Guruji: in the void – waiting to be attracted; and more intelligent people are taking birth now. Don’t you think that some religions were introduced to this planet to stop reincarnation of certain souls? So new more intelligent spirits will have chance to come? if you think on larger perspective - this is also one of the thing we should consider.

they were cruel – that souls?

Guruji: I don’t think that if they could reincarnate – monarchy will be destroyed or democracy can come. remember Egyptians and romans civilizations – they were very cruel.

so that souls don’t incarnate?

Guruji: I don’t think so

so inquisition gave a chance to rebirth for warlocks and witches, scientists also?

Guruji: and again more spiritual souls will come all over the world – this is good. And who is scientists? Centuries ago we were called them magicians. Science is same as magic. I still cannot understand- I switch on here and light comes there: it is magic! Or mobile: nothing connection, no wiring –but you’re all over the world, you can talk to anyone if he has mobile.

if some souls comes directly from the void – it means some people will go directly to the void after death as well?

Guruji: those, who are highly developed there.

the void is the sort of god?

Guruji: I’ve said it – it is the form of Shakti. I’ve said it and I’ve written it also: the void is the carrier of all movements of matter and of matter itself also. Without void – no movement or support of matter will be possible. Even our body is 99,9% empty space. The basic thing, the power, the Shakti is Void.

We need to become aware of it. And only through yoga one can become aware.

And those who went beyond that state?

Guruji: They will directly reach the realm of pure spirits.

Those spirits, whose names are pronounced like musical notes in that realm?

Guruji: Yes, those who are beyond 5 elements. They live where all the memories and all the experiences live. Where do the spirits live? There all the experiences and all the memories also live.

If they are pure spirits – why do they need all those memories and experiences?

Guruji: For entertainment.

Aren’t these human emotions mostly comic for them now?

Guruji: We still don ’ t know why they need to collect all these emotions and memories – perhaps, just for entertainment …

The question is, they were created like such higher beings or they also can evolve from some level to some higher level? Or do they have the one? They are internal forces. And I think evolution is not copyright for human beings. So they may be evolving from a very different level which we cannot even understand. So for them to take different bodies to animate, there is no evolution? Actually what I have known is so far, you can tell. They evolved by experiencing our emotions, different types of emotions. Somehow they are very deeply connected with their emotions. Human, animal, it doesn't matter to them.

And if you look around, there is such vast variety of emotions. And they like to experience it. Our emotions also, that's why they create so many situations. Because in every situation our emotions change. They relish those emotions. They love it. So can we say that completely evolved spirit is the spirit who have experienced all the time? Oh, there is always room for some more. Wow. So it's not the limit for the evolution? No limit.

Q: when we talked about the spirits – you say they need the place to call it home?

Guruji: yes. And also they need to find some identity for itself. The formless things – they may be having the identity crisis. That also make the earth element extremely important.

Q: what kind of spirits are going up not taking another birth?

Guruji: only those, who has taking the essence of the power of the earth element and other four elements. They have enough think to establish their own identity and power – so they can create a home themselves and be happy.

Q: in non-material existence?

Guruji: yes, Alakh Niranjan. Don’t you think the word “matter” looks like “mother”? matter is the mother of all creation.