YOGIRAJ MAHARAJ

Book 2 · Part 3 · Chapter 3

The immortals: Babaji, the Naths and how they live

From the text: Yogis in forests and mountains are immortals, who keep roaming or live secretly begging food; the Gita may be the manual for immortals: make no vows, keep wandering, stay unattached.

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  1. Kākabhuśuṇḍi; visitors and sharing the planet · Guruji – A Different Perspective
  2. Two senses of immortality and liberation within life · Types of Immortality
  3. Avadhut, symbolic Brahma/Time readings, mythic relations and spirit friendship · AVADHUT: SIDDHA: RAVANA: JANAKA: BHARTHARI: BRAHMA: KRIYA YOGA: GYANA SANKALINI TANTRA
  4. Immortal-group criteria, distinct lineage branches and Shiva/Time symbol limits · Babaji’s group and the ideal of immortality
  5. Bats, mission and ego meanings; first-samadhi testimony and chronology limits · BATS
  6. Immortal groups, reading biography, extreme-practice recollection and hypothetical past changes · COMMUNITY OF THE IMMORTAL
  7. Book/reader English witness and qualified relationship evidence · Darshan №10
  8. Genie English witness: limits on merging, certification and identity · Darshan №7
  9. Normal/subnormal English compilation: full counterpart comparison and missing Russian follow-ups · Darshans2026#04
  10. Messages and one instruction · Darshans2026#04
  11. Immortals' wandering and the four goals · DIKSHA
  12. Immortal discipline, Gorakhnath and Trailanga · DIKSHA
  13. Immortal yogis keep strict discipline to keep ego in balance · GIRL’S HEART ARE VERY MYSTIC; MEN’S HEART…
  14. Grassroots, respect for life, and eternal study of the Creator's work · GOAL OF LIFE AND CONCENTRATION
  15. Adventures for immortals and the adventures of Guruji · GREED
  16. Babaji as Krishna — the drawing · Interview with Guruji
  17. Babaji as Krishna — the drawing (continued) · Interview with Guruji
  18. BOOK OF LIFE — the immortal's compassion, the genome and reading yourself · KILL OR BE KILLED
  19. Secret traditions and immortal beings · Mantras, nadis and the subtle body
  20. Babaji's force, opposite forces and the chess-like reality game · Mantras, nadis and the subtle body
  21. Babaji's force, opposite forces and the chess-like reality game (continued) · Mantras, nadis and the subtle body
  22. The caveman theory of immortal guidance · Mantras, nadis and the subtle body
  23. Siddhi — 84 Mahasiddhas, Padmasambhava, natha/siddha taxonomy, mercury and Samadhi · Most of the useful things are not beautiful. And most of the beautiful things are not useful. If you find…
  24. Mission, responsibility and the unlimited future · SADHANA
  25. Lahiri Mahasaya, Gangadhar/Ganganath, and Babaji's 67-year care · Samadhi; Babaji; Telang Swami; Lahiri Mahasaya; Autobiography of the Yogi
  26. Senior and younger immortal — 100000 years and the purpose of immortality · SENIOR AND YOUNGER IMMORTAL
  27. Krishna, Matsyendranath and the lineage of Gurus · SENIOR AND YOUNGER IMMORTAL
  28. A game of immortals: compassion, shades of emotion, and the childlike key · Shaktipat
  29. Final one — the Gita, the immortal person, moving place · Stillness and the speed of the mind
  30. Dattatreya and Gorakhnath · SUCCESS IN YOGA=SUCCESS IN LIFE
  31. Avadhut · THE STORY OG GOVARDHAN HILL
  32. Nine Nathas and the immortals merged with the Earth · TO BE PURE ENERGY
  33. Rishi Mankanaka · Village wisdom and accounts of siddhas
  34. Tao Te Ching — Discussion 8: From Seed to Tree — Why Babaji gave Kriya · Tao Te Ching — The Yogic Way

Guruji – A Different Perspective

Kākabhuśuṇḍi; visitors and sharing the planet

sight. So, what do crows signify? Indeed, crows are loved by Lord Shiva, but there is the story of one immortal crow. His name is Kakbhushundi and his story, you can read it in the Yoga Vashistha. Hmm, and he says that he became immortal by knowing the essence of Prana and Apana, and he is the only immortal crow who has seen Shiva dancing the dance of destruction, Tandav, many times. So that is why Shiva loves him. He sits on a tree, or rather, he sits in the tree. He sits on a tree somewhere, which he creates himself by imagining it, and then he lives there. The only

entertainment for him is to wait for the dance of Shiva. I think the best entertainment. And are people coming from Russia and all over the world? Yes. Many people from Russia and from other places as well. Hmm. But as I keep saying, I am an Earthling; I live on this planet. Every human being who comes with good feelings is welcome, that's it. And I think that will be the beginning of peace, when we learn how to share what we have with others too. And the first feeling is to share this planet equally , willingly, and gladly with everyone. Only then will there be peace; otherwise, the Earth is already in

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Types of Immortality

Two senses of immortality and liberation within life

Lahiri Mahasaya describes that every hundred years for 21 days Babaji does a ritual, and with the help of certain herbs and something he just revives and illuminates his body. This is what I have read in Lahiri Mahasaya’s diary. And about Matsyendranath it is already written that he has attained it permanently and he needs no other practice to maintain his body. The same way Ganganath is described.

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AVADHUT: SIDDHA: RAVANA: JANAKA: BHARTHARI: BRAHMA: KRIYA YOGA: GYANA SANKALINI TANTRA

Avadhut, symbolic Brahma/Time readings, mythic relations and spirit friendship

Janaka

but Janaka also was a king?

Guruji: Janaka may be immortal. He was father-in-law of Lord Rama – and there is no reference, what happened with him after. But in Mahabharata time we read that Vyasa muni sent his son Shukadev to Janaka for wisdom: but it maybe 2 million years apart – Janaka was still living there.

and Bhartahari was a king too, he’s also immortal.

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Babaji’s group and the ideal of immortality

Immortal-group criteria, distinct lineage branches and Shiva/Time symbol limits

…remember our lineage: our first Guru is immortal. So maybe if somebody will practice to his satisfaction – he will allow him entering to his immortal group. This dream should always be there.

you told us that Paramahamsa Yogananda is now in Babaji’s group?

Guruji: no-no, he is only preparing now. So far.

I think about – what exam you must pass to enter this group because Yogananda did the great mission

Guruji: but we don’t know – maybe Babaji set it. It is also some type of physical training before. Maybe he’s going through that. But until unless you are free of disease and you’re able to tolerate any type of weather – you will not be allowed inside. It is just a thought – we don’t know exactly the real thing. There must be something very deep and only he can decide and he knows. We have never heard – what criteria. Now Paramahamsa Yogananda living in Benares near his 40 now.

he is practicing Yoga?

Guruji: I’m sure – he is remembering everything. He’s looking much far better than his last birth. Physically more handsome and more charismatic person.

he’s not Guru now?

Guruji: no, no need to.

but he has Guru now?

Guruji: he doesn’t need to. He remembers everything.

his Guru considered as Babaji himself?

Guruji: he was disciple of Yukteshwar Giri, and he was surrounded by direct disciples of Lahiri Mahasai in his previous birth. Then he had to go to America to carry out the direct order of Babaji – he was successful in that. He left his body, took another birth - now he is ready for power. He is still preparing.

now he is living half-secretly?

Guruji: yes, nobody knows who is he.

and how do you know?

Guruji: oh, I know. Not by divine decree – I just know him. He also knows me.

do you know how much persons are now in Babaji’s group?

Guruji: exactly I don’t know, but all the names in Hatha Yoga Pradipika belongs to his group. It’s very ancient powerful group.

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BATS

Bats, mission and ego meanings; first-samadhi testimony and chronology limits

ALMS FOR IMMORTAL

is it possible to curse someone for eternal life without any possibility to die?

Guruji: I think it exists a legend that Jesus Christ cursed one jude – until the day he will return – and he is still wandering the earth. Maybe others are also there.

for him it’s good idea for practicing yoga

Guruji: when you’re cursed – this idea will never enter your mind. But it was not exactly the curse – it was more like a blessing: the day until I return. He’s just waiting for.

In India most of the immortals beg for food to keep their ego under control. It’s only one incarnation of Shiva, who is a businessman – but only one. Other immortals always beg for food - they ask farmers or poor people and never enter the cities. Siddhas never enters the city. You can survive here without any identity, without any passport – there are many villages around where nobody will ask.

that sadhus, who could make gold and silver – they were immortals?

Guruji: the way they were relaxed and absolutely don’t care - it could be. There was not too much signs of ageing on them also. It was the great wisdom: then – it was different but now when I look back I understand more. If you will remain young – people will notice that, but if you put some age on you – nobody will notice.

KEEP YOUR EGO UNDER YOURSELF

once You said: boys will be boys – that is their nature. What is the nature – soul, personality? Will we change it in practice?

Guruji: actually men has more hunger for knowing more things because they have one chromosome less than girls. Because girls have chromosomes balanced – they are don’t running here and there to achieve something, to prove something. Only with the boys it goes. But I will say – basically girls are more spiritual than men. They will work even a little bit harder; they will have great spiritual experiences and wisdom also.

men needs to control their ego more?

Guruji: what is ego? We need to re-define it here. What you understand by this word “ego”?

Keep your ego with yourself – this is the only thing you have. One thing you should make sure – it should not be false. It should be genuine and you can develop it to the sublime heights. This is the only thing you have: this is your identity. Don’t try to kill it: everybody is trying to remove your ego. You cannot remove yourself from yourself.

I think so far, since I became Guru and start initiate people into Kriya – I never ever told anyone that you should fight with your ego, remove it; I just say – try to know your ego, make it your friend, because it’s the only thing you have. Clean it, take it to sublime heights – otherwise what for we’re working hard? Like yourself, love yourself.

now You broke whole psychological system

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COMMUNITY OF THE IMMORTAL

Immortal groups, reading biography, extreme-practice recollection and hypothetical past changes

COMMUNITY OF THE IMMORTAL

it really exists Babaji’s team?

Guruji: Lahiri Mahasya mentioned that it is a group of immortals of Babaji. I think it’s a very good idea to have immortal group: if you become immortal alone – it will be a big boring thing, you will remain alone – so let’s have the whole group become immortal.

we know about Babaji’s group, about Nath yogis and about Dattatreya with his disciples: is it one community or different groups?

Guruji: Dattatreya lives alone: he is never mentioned – maybe in a few thousands years he have one disciple, otherwise he’s alone.

so You think it’s only one community like Babaji’s group?

Guruji: they may have connections – or maybe it is one community but we know it in different names. Not exactly community: maybe good satsang is going.

it must be some great goal or aim to keep such a big number of persons immortal?

Guruji: we don’t know their number exactly. It must be not a big number.

in Hatha Yoga Pradipika they gave the whole list?

Guruji: it might be names of Babaji’s group or Nath yogis – they look same to me. We will be able to connect them only after we will know who is Babaji.

what for this list is given?

Guruji: for reference – to give inspiration to us.

is it known, who was direct disciple of Dattatreya?

Guruji: well, Parashurama is mentioned. And he gave upadesh to king Yadu – ancestor of Shri Krishna himself. Few only, not much.

so we cannot find like Nath parampara from him?

Guruji: some Aghori parampara came from him – there are some disciples, their names are mentioned in many books.

is it paramapara still alive?

Guruji: he is living on Earth, so he can keep it alive. Immortal persons don’t care about parampara much: they are omnipresent and they can teach anyone any time. That’s why we’re don’t worry about Kriya yoga parampara: Babaji is immortal so he can teach anyone any time. That is fantastic: Kriya yoga is ot depending on parampara – Babaji is immortal and can teach anyone again.

but he created parampara for some reasons?

Guruji: it looks like it – so Kriya yoga will reach Shailendra Sharma one day. I like to think that way.

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Darshan №10

Book/reader English witness and qualified relationship evidence

What are the qualities that the immortal Guru like Babaji might possess?

Guruji: I’m sure he can travel through time. When he realizes his time – I think the past, present and future become the same for him. Wherever he will focus on – he can appear there.

Isn’t it a power of mental concentration?

Guruji: Yes, and a realization of time. He can also create palaces – any illusion he wants to. Remember, Yogananda also wrote: he carries the earthen pot – out of it you can take any food and eat.

Amazing; although I doubt he eats himself… Does he enjoy the taste?

Guruji: Maybe the party is on – yes.

Didn’t he come to you not carrying any earthen pot?

Guruji: No, he was empty-handed.

Just with the yantra?

Guruji: No – the man was carrying it, he himself was empty-handed. I’m sure he can travel through Time. That’s why he cannot be found here – because he might be living thousands of years before or a thousand years in future. You cannot find him there. He can arrange any time frame – whichever he wants to be in.

Is anyone with these particular qualities mentioned in Nath’s texts or in Nath tradition?

Guruji: Which qualities?

The qualities, possessed by Babaji.

Guruji: Yes, Gorakhnath and Matsyendranath both and all 9 immortal Naths; they are created with these powers. Flying also; Babaji may be able to fly as well. If he can teleport himself – if he wants, he can fly physically as well. And he may have achieved the electrical body.

For those not very familiar with biology: what is happening with the muscular tissues when the entire body becomes electricity?

Guruji: They transform – like coal transforms into a diamond. But even this is a gross example. The whole body is working on electrical impulses – and it is only 2% of the brain that is producing them. 100% of the brain will produce much greater powerful currents – you wouldn’t need muscles then. You will be a pure consciousness.

But still one has to create an illusion – like he’s walking among the mortals.

Guruji: For entertainment only. What is the use of being beautiful if there is nobody to appreciate it? Still we’re just guessing – we don’t know for sure. We are reading more comics – so we have more imagination.

Still there’s an entertainment for immortals – choosing to give Kriya yoga or not to give it, or to wait for a couple of centuries…

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Darshan №7

Genie English witness: limits on merging, certification and identity

GURUJI ABOUT BABAJI

People ask You thousands of times about Babaji’s identity? So many texts are assuming or stating that he is of south Indian origin, one of the Tamil siddhas and so forth; but when he appeared – You said numerously that he spoke northern hindi dialect – there was no trace of southern accent. Is there the thing that he might be changing his appearance also?

Guruji: E ven in Lahiri Mahasaya’s diaries and Yogananda’s texts says that he generally speaks Hindi. And he looks like a person belonging to this area, western Uttar Pradesh. The main thing I would like to say here, I will make a statement here: if Babaji doesn’t want his identity to be revealed – we should honor his wishes as his followers. Instead of trying to become like Sherlock Holmes; if he would like to reveal his identity – he is free to do so, whenever he desires, nobody can stop him. That has to be some big reason behind it – so he maintains absolute secrecy on it; so we should honor his wishes.

He is the son of the mortal parents? He is the one who achieved immortality in a human body or…?

Guruji: He is human for sure, yes. And a successful yogi. This is the result of yoga in all ancient texts. Ward off old age and death: he is successful in that.

Of course we will not try to discover his identity, try to resolve it; but connection with Swatmarama became obvious to You when we work?

Guruji: If you’re very deep into Kriya yoga by the grace of your Guru and Babaji himself – similarity is stricken, based on the text of Hatha Yoga Pradipika. Also I remember in Lahiri Mahasaya’s diaries, I remember absolutely, reading: the supreme exponent of Hatha Yoga, Babaji – this is how he addresses him. So we will continue to honor his wishes. No name of his Guru: only in Hatha Yoga Pradipika there is some link that Matsyendranath and Gorakhnath were the knowers and he learnt that yoga by the grace of them.

ami no ami – I am what I am…

Guruji: On the lighter note – it might be the Bengali gentleman, who went there in seclusion. God told them: remove your shoes – this is the hindu thing, and then they ask: who are you? He said ami, ami – this is Bengali also, same meaning: “ami” means “me”. So he may be the Bengali person, sitting there in that cave.

Siddhanath in his book was making a suggestion, he claimed that he is Gorakhnath?

Guruji: He was so much infatuated with Gorakhnath – we used to talk for hours on that. But Gorakhnath looks hardly 15-16 years old; Babaji looks older – anywhere between 25 to 35. I’m sure they are 2 different people.

It should not really matter to us…

Guruji: N o. He wants to keep it a secret – we should honor his wish. And he is old – that is for sure.

I will quote from one movie – maybe it was Ironman 3 or something – the villain: he went on the roof, he was thinking of jumping – then he realized that he has the greatest gift: obscurity, nobody knows him; and he began to use it. It may be his greatest friend: obscurity.

Every second man can say that…

Guruji: But some people definitely know him.

And even immortals need friends?

Guruji: That is for sure.

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GURUJI AND BABAJI — COMMUNICATION

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Very creative, artistic, hard-working, focused on yoga, and happy people.

Do You have any news about Babaji’s activities now?

Guruji: He was in Benares for 2 years; he left Benares in 2019 after Diwali. He was there for 2 years. Sometimes he sent messages with a vision. Now current whereabouts – I have no idea. He is capable of sending that: if I desire – nothing; from his side – yes.

What is his interest nowadays?

Guruji: I have no idea: it is impossible to guess what an immortal person’s interests might be. But I feel very fortunate that sometimes some message comes. And I’m still waiting. In the meantime few messages came. Like those 4 yantras, stopping of the prayashchitta; and then there was some very technical issue – not even in yoga, besides, worldly thing; - precise advice came. Last night also absolute precise advice came. It was very important thing; you know Kusum Sarovar? Government was forcing me to take it and look after it; I said – ok. I will ask my Guru. I sent a mental request maybe 4-5 days before; last night he said: refuse! So I refused.

You’re hearing it like a voice – or You just know what it is?

Guruji: It’s a combination of that thought – combined with the scene. It was amazing for me to see Him – when He send that message: he lived in Benares for 2 years in a 2-room very small house with a small kitchen and bathroom; extremely narrow lane. And he had a haircut.

You have seen him?

Guruji: Yes, he sends impressions. And in 2 years of his living in Benares - whole Benares is now different. It is absolutely new now, in 2 years’ time! You should visit it now.

Now he also has haircut?

Guruji: I have not seen him. But they will continue to grow: he can have anything whatever he wants. He has many centuries - he can grow them, he can cut them.

You think he finished his mission there?

Guruji: Maybe his mission or maybe his entertainment; he just triggers a big chain reaction there. Very difficult to reach a conclusion there. But I feel fortunate that he shared this.

Have You received some messages from Matsyendranath also?

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DIKSHA

Immortals' wandering and the four goals

so all that stories about yogis in forests or mountains…

Guruji: when they become immortals. They don’t remain in one place and they keep roaming. If they live in one place – they live in secrecy and beg for food. Gita maybe the manual for immortals. Never make owes, keep wandering, don’t remain attached - this things apply to some immortal person.

in Gita they are talking about four goals of human’s life?

Guruji: dharma, artha, kama and moksha. If you have it in yourself – you can achieve all four. If you don’t have it in you – you can achieve nothing.

maybe I have my personal goal?

Guruji: first you achieve your spirit – then let your spirit introduce you to personal goal. Not directly.

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DIKSHA

Immortal discipline, Gorakhnath and Trailanga

You were talking about new discipline for immortals?

Guruji: to keep their ego balanced – even though they’re overcome it. Maybe it’s their way to remain incognito. If they say – we’re immortal – they will be worship like gods. They don’t want unnecessary attentions. And they always take food from the farmers or very poor people. I’ve never seen them going to the rich or middle class. And never in big cities – until unless some very important work to do, otherwise they stay out of the cities. All cities are build on sewers – maybe smells are not tolerable for them. Under the cities only shit is flowing. Immortal person cannot tolerate that smell.

is it possible situation that immortal yogi begins to behave like Superman?

Guruji: yes, like Gorakhnath – he do it openly. Just to refine the people or to discipline them.

he made some attacks or destructions?

Guruji: yes, he finished many lineages of fake rituals – it was horrible. You can find the reference.

it was that kind of people who claimed themselves yogis but have no rights for that?

Guruji: phakirs were doing magical tricks for money and they were calling themselves yogis, because yogis are doing miracles. That was public show. Nowadays it’s not easy to find such people. There was cast in India – they were called “nut” – they were do acrobatics, tight rope walking, sword swallowing, lie on the broken glass; big slab was put on their chest and being hammered – so many extraordinary things they were doing. When I was in school, I remember – some people came and they were showing great skills with bow and arrow. Nowadays somehow they all are disappeared. One man demonstrated so many things: there was just small ring of iron, you can out only head inside – but he went through it. Some magicians also doing it – and it was amazing to watch. Or to reach the target by arrow with tight eyes – so many things he could do.

Gorakhnath was the last one, who openly came out?

Guruji: after him – Traylang Swami, when Lahiri Mahasaya was there. He was maybe the last yogi, who openly demonstrated supernatural powers.

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GIRL’S HEART ARE VERY MYSTIC; MEN’S HEART…

Immortal yogis keep strict discipline to keep ego in balance

how such great being like Shivaji could make some tapas?

Guruji: most of the immortal yogis keep doing the very strict discipline. Maybe to keep their ego in balance. They can command everything – but they beg for food. With this they keep their ego in balance.

how such a great being could evolve to some level?

Guruji: how can I comment on that? Maybe they like to mix with the ordinary life, they respect life; maybe it is their way of observation and pass the eternity.

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GOAL OF LIFE AND CONCENTRATION

Grassroots, respect for life, and eternal study of the Creator's work

why it’s so important for the yogi – to keep in touch with them?

Guruji: when they realize so many things, very deep mysteries of life; they also begin to respect life. Life is everywhere. Simply by roaming around living people, beings, different creatures – lot of wisdom; it is just like a language from the creator. We are like syllables of the language of the Creator . In every life form there is something, something special. You cannot ignore this fact.

so immortal yogis are observing people?

Guruji: I will say in a different way: when you have say hello to the Creator – what remains? To understand his true nature remains. You can understand a person’s nature simply by observing his creation and his work – so they keep on observing and studying the Creator’s work, so they can understand his creation better. It takes time!

thousands of years or millions of years?

Guruji: eternity. They actually can recognize what is humanity or what is life – humanity is a part of it.

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GREED

Adventures for immortals and the adventures of Guruji

excuse me for personal question, but do You still feel adventure sitting here?

Guruji: every day I’m facing new adventures. I’m in the middle of the big situations – so every day t’s a new adventure. I’m still waiting for the feeling of security(laughing)

You enjoy that?

Guruji: I have to enjoy it, yes. I’m the fifth Guru in a Kriya yoga lineage, I’m living in a cremation area and so much work is around me – I’m in the center. When I’m sitting extremely worried about something – people think: oh, he’s in deep meditation. My reputation is good now( laughing)

what do You think – immortals have this feeling of security?

Guruji: I think so – they can finally relax and sit down and think something.

so no adventures then?

Guruji: then their mind also becomes like a child: for a child sense of wonder remains; it’s very different mental state.

can we say that any adventure will be safe for immortal?

Guruji: of course – but they also cares too much for each living being – so it’s a big adventure for them. This is fantastic development I have to create: that I’m so much worried, what to do – and people are thinking: he’s in deep meditation. It takes hard work to achieve that!( laughing)

so the base for adventure for normal people is feeling of death?

Guruji: no, this is the final adventure. Mainly their adventure is to avoid somehow the death-like situation and survive. That is the best adventure for anyone. You need to survive to tell the stories: otherwise what is the use?

but the death is like trigger point here?

Guruji: it’s revolt from that point, yes.

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Interview with Guruji

Babaji as Krishna — the drawing (continued)

Guruji: see, he has drawn like a kutastha and there was a face in it; - I maybe having its copy somewhere; and he is writing – the highest being. That is up to you, how you interpret it. Who was Krishna – so is Baba also. It can be depicting the spiritually state also. It doesn’t mean that Krishna is Babaji; but then it’s up to people how they understand it.

here Krishna means dark or darkness?

Guruji: or maybe Krishna Himself. He draws a face of a man: Babaji ka rup – yahi jam, yahi dharm: this how Babaji looks – this is like Yamaraj and Dharmaraj. So he is also making a parallel with Yamaraj.

he could see Babaji in the form like in 11th chapter of Gita?

Guruji: he may have seen it, yes.

like all the deities are inside him?

Guruji: not like that; only three things he mentioned: Guru Baba, Yamaraj and Dharmaraj – that’s it. But Yamaraj and Dharmaraj supposed to be one and the same.

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KILL OR BE KILLED

BOOK OF LIFE — the immortal's compassion, the genome and reading yourself

BOOK OF LIFE

At some point you said that the gods or the immortals don’t care about people: their scale of the time and their goals are too different and humans are more like a small insect for them?

Guruji: It is impossible to define their way of thinking and their motives.

However, our line of kriya yoga tradition, our parampara was started by the immortal?

Guruji: My personal belief is that if some immortal being will take some interest in humans (Babaji also started his life as a human being) and will teach us out of compassion – I don’t think it will be a worthless or meaningless teaching. Maybe some seed of the secrets of longevity, which fuses the hope to achieve had been woven into the structure of Kriya yoga. Of course, it could be that Babaji had introduced this teaching to us just for his own entertainment, wandering: who will be able to understand and to achieve the infinity...

Do You think he himself travel through the system of the Kriya Yoga to achieve immortality? A: It looks like it Q: So maybe the evolution of human being, traveling to reach immortality is reflected in this teaching?

Guruji: He is a human being, who achieved immortality and obtained a great wisdom. In the duration of very long-life wisdom continues to grow. Compare a five years old child with a 50-yeared old man: you’ll observe a difference. Then compare 50-years old with 500-years old man– he may not even be a yogi, but his experience will be undeniably greater…then compare them all with a 5000-years old; simply by living for so long they will obtain immense experience.

So, it is a reinforcement of the consciousness which matures in the vessel of the body, like an old wine?

Guruji: Another point: every 1 gr of genome carries more than 4 billion gigabytes of information. To be able to access this information you need to become immortal, so you will be ready to read yourself finally and fully.

And to understand yourself?

Guruji: Of course; you’ll read and then you will reflect on it – and then some understanding will begin.

Is it decoding of your own genome, which is happening on this level of consciousness?

Guruji: Maybe; that’s why the immortality is needed – so we can read our own book.

One American group, “Magnetic fields”, sings that “the book of life is long and boring”?

Guruji: Absolutely wrong: book of life may be long, but it’s absolutely not boring. That is for sure

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Mantras, nadis and the subtle body

Secret traditions and immortal beings

what do you think: nowadays Shri Vidya tradition exists?

Guruji: I think every tradition still exists, but they don’t show off themselves and they are very mysterious people and live secretly so nobody knows.

Ashwatthaman was the last carrier of this tradition?

Guruji: you don’t know that – maybe he taught other people also. They are immortal beings – they may decide to teach someone after 10000 years or even 1000 years. We can put no rules or limitations to them.

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Mantras, nadis and the subtle body

Babaji's force, opposite forces and the chess-like reality game

all group of Babaji is the great force. It must be the great opposite force in the world?

Guruji: we don’t know that. It’s not a comics story so they may not have an opposite force.

but even if we take the seven rishis – Vishvamitra is the opposite force?

Guruji: he is not an opposite force, they just create the certain situation. It is just like reality game – for they entertainment they continue to play. It is just like a playing chess – you need the opposite part to play.

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Mantras, nadis and the subtle body

The caveman theory of immortal guidance

Do you think the caveman was intelligent enough to create the greatest of inventions of old time? My theory is that some immortal being came, made the wheel, showing them off, use it 3-4 times and left. And then the cavemen just begin to copy that. Do you think cavemen was intelligent enough to separate the iron from iron ore? Some immortal being came and demonstrated it to them 2-3 times and then they begin to copy. Maybe their main entertainment is just to guide humanity in centuries and thousands of years. They are immortals, so they can just wait and watch and then give some initiate them and then again wait and watch. Think on that.

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Most of the useful things are not beautiful. And most of the beautiful things are not useful. If you find…

Siddhi — 84 Mahasiddhas, Padmasambhava, natha/siddha taxonomy, mercury and Samadhi

SIDDHI;

Q : what do You think about 84 Mahasiddhas: are they real historical beings, fictional characters or gossip?

Guruji : in India we believe and we know that they are historical human beings who achieved immortality. Every name in list of 84 siddhas - they are all immortals. And it is believed that they are still roam and live on that planet Earth.

Q : according to my study of Tibetan Buddhism there was one person named Padmasambhava?

Guruji : lama Padmasambhava was from India who went to Tibet to defeat all the Bon people and establish Buddhism there. He is also considered as one of the siddhas. He has miraculous powers which he displayed openly.

Q : he is also one of the immortals?

Guruji : I think so. You should also remember how he left Tibet. A chariot from the sky came down and he draw away on that. That itself is evidence that he was a siddha.

Q : what is the difference between nathas, siddhas and siddha nathas?

Guruji : everyone who is part of nath cult is called nath. And nath siddha is considered a person who achieve immortality. Siddhas go by the same process – most of them. There are many common names there who appeared in nath siddhas also and in siddhas also.

Q : why the list of rasa siddhas is the different one than yoga siddhas?

Guruji : actually they go together – it’s a combination. But when people are quantifying something, documenting something – they try to differentiate them.

Q : is it possible to achieve some siddhi only by using mercury without yoga technic?

Guruji : you must read some books on it. They say to digest mercury inside your body Samadhi is needed and Samadhi is result of yoga practice. They compliment each other. You want to hear very funny but true story?

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SADHANA

Mission, responsibility and the unlimited future

I’m still trying to figure it out, what is my mission – if there is a mission. No mission – no work.

great person must have great future and great mission?

Guruji: great power and great responsibility: and with no power comes no responsibility.

and there is no future?

Guruji: if there is no future – it means there is no past. You’re always in the present.

but You said that immortality is the future? Who creates it?

Guruji: unlimited future. He creates it himself. If you cannot bring about some changes in time – how you can be immortal? It’s very complicated program.

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Samadhi; Babaji; Telang Swami; Lahiri Mahasaya; Autobiography of the Yogi

Lahiri Mahasaya, Gangadhar/Ganganath, and Babaji's 67-year care

In “Autobiography of the yogi” we read, that when Babaji called Lahiri Mahasaya to initiate him – he showed him the feet on which he was stolid sit to practice and one command him. But those, who are very much deep in Kriya yoga – they know, that Lahiri Mahasaya did not die at this period of time to take birth as Shyamacharan Lahiri in his parents. He went into Samadhi, left that body, took birth in a regular way, did his mission what Babaji decided for him then died here – and woke up from Samadhi there. Babaji himself was taking care of that body, because he had to take care of it for 67 years.

And only Guru can be very specifically and meticulous in taking care of that. You can not simply have faith in everybody – who will become careless and something will happen. He is, I think, one of the immortals group of Babaji; he was just asked to go into Samadhi, take birth there, live the regular way of life. You see, what happen when you’re doing something for the society – to guide them in a certain way – if you already appear in front of them as an extraordinary person – they will start worship you as an avatar or some miracle man.

Babaji are very particular about this – that you should take birth as absolutely normal human being, you must work very humbly – and Lahiri Mahasaya was a clerk; and that is the beauty of Babaji’s message – that even king is came to touch the feet of the simple clerk, that was a power of knowledge and yoga. When he finished his task here, when he was 67 years old – he died here in a regular way and woke up there from Samadhi. And then Babaji left that place. Nowadays many Kriya yoga devotees go to there as pilgrims to offer their respect. That’s the real story behind the story.

who was this being, who took birth as Lahiri Mahasaya?

Guruji: his name is given: his name was Gangadhar.

from there this name came?

Guruji: read “Autobiography of the yogi” carefully – it is mentioned there. In his diaries I’ve also seen it. Gangadhar or Ganganath maybe one and the same. Only such powerful being could gain such enough power to go beyond physical death and then come back again – it’s incredible.

Ganganath is the very ancient person?

Guruji: his Guru was a disciple of Gorakhnath – this is what we found in the history of nath yogins. Gorakhnath had a disciple Chandranath, Chandranath had two disciples – Ganganath and Darshaninath, they are very mighty yogins, very long-lived ones. The references are in many books.

they are in the group of Babaji?

Guruji: probably; it looks like it.

where is the place, where Ganganath was in Samadhi for 67 years?

Guruji: in Himalayas, near Ranipith – on Drona giri mountain. The cave of Babaji is there. And it’s full of ashes – so no insect will crawling. Very meticulous care is taken, when such attempt is done.

such Samadhi includes sahajoli technics?

Guruji: it is much left behind. It was not just he was sitting there in Samadhi, he need to leave that body, take birth as a regular person, die there and come back again. Only very high accomplished yogi are in a situation to attempt it. That’s why Babaji himself was taking care, because you can not leave things just for chance.

I even can’t imagine, how Lahiri Mahasaya felt when the great Guru, whom he didn’t recognize – because when you’re taking birth always some cut come, which you can’t remember properly, then you’re called and remind it; I can well imagine how he must be feeling when he saw himself sitting in Samadhi. I think it was the great revelation of some sort.

Ganganath was sitting or lying in shavasana?

Guruji: always in sitting position. It’s a practice method.

he had a very difficult mission…

Guruji: I will tell you – to give the very simple guidance to the society is the very difficult task.

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SENIOR AND YOUNGER IMMORTAL

Senior and younger immortal — 100000 years and the purpose of immortality

Gorakhbodh dialogue – between senior and junior immortals; very unusual to use such epithets for immortals?

Guruji: in Naths books they saying that gap between Matsyendranath and Gorakhnath is 100000 years. So Matsyendranath is 100000 years senior than him – we have to call him senior. Too big difference – from our point of view.

immortality doesn’t make every immortal equal?

Guruji: immortality may be the same, but the senior man will always have more experience. I was asked the question – why immortality is so important? Answer is very simple: only after becoming immortal you can sit down finally, relax, and think something. Without that you can never relax and you can never think peaceful.

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SENIOR AND YOUNGER IMMORTAL

Krishna, Matsyendranath and the lineage of Gurus

Krishna was born or become immortal?

Guruji: Krishna was not immortal.

but can immortal be born?

Guruji: yes, they were born like human beings. Matsyendranath is one of the greatest Guru in yoga in my opinion – he was born as a regular human being, from a woman – and then he attained immortality. His example gives us big hope.

he is not considered to be Shiva incarnation?

Guruji: Gorakhnath – yes, but Matsyendranath is Guru of Gorakhnath, he is even more respectable: he is Guru of Shiva himself. Guru will remain Guru. I think the meeting with him was the most important moment in my life.

you go there physically?

Guruji: of course! When senior person calls you – you go there, it’s mark of respect. In a yogic lineage seniority respected.

You didn’t ask him about ladies with him?

Guruji: when you’re facing such a senior person – you don’t asking silly questions.

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Shaktipat

A game of immortals: compassion, shades of emotion, and the childlike key

G: I think this whole construct of human society and the changes of different civilizations and kingdoms is just a play. A game of immortals. They have an eternity to pass and so they are playing these games. Which also gives them a chance to observe the Creator and His creation. They may also learn out of it their own abilities to manipulate some of this creation… just to see how the Creator will react. That is another way of knowing His nature. To provoke Him from time to time.

What do you think of the level of emotions amongst the immortals…

G: I would say that because they have gone through almost every emotion that exists, they are full of compassion and highly emotional beings.

And yet their hearts will not move when they are looking at the wars and all the deaths – because they’ve already seen everything?

G: But every war will bring different kinds of emotions, because the time is different, situation is different and those who are fighting the next wars are experiencing different emotions.

But these feelings might be the same, war after war: The fear, the anxiety, grief…?

G: In general terms they are the same, but then there are millions of shades in fear and anxiety.

… I think the immortals are highly emotional beings.

You don’t think that they experience a certain boredom seeing the same cycles over and over again?

G: No, I think that they still have the amazement of a child and the wonderment. That is what keeps them going. We imagine that they are all ancient, old beings who have gone beyond everything, but they must remain childlike – and that may be the key for living an eternal life.

Does it preserve the freshness of the spirit, otherwise they will die from inside?

G: Otherwise, it will be a curse to live for that long.

So, freshness of emotion might be the crucial ingredient to keep going on living.

G: Yes, I think this is extremely important if you are hoping for a long life and planning to achieve it. Even Jesus Christ said ‘Until unless you become like a little child, you cannot enter the gate of heaven.’ So maybe this gate of heaven may be an eternal life. So, until unless you have a childlike mind, full of wonderment, what is the use of living a thousand years?

That only comes from within though, it cannot be cultivated.

G: That may be the sum, the culmination of all tapasya and yoga practice. When we say ‘wise old man’ we always imagine a wrinkled old man with a beard, so wise and experienced that he’s already beyond every emotion, even compassion. But nowadays when I think of it, I think that immortals have childlike minds and a certain kind of playfulness in them. Even though they lived countless years. Usually truly wise people preserve a great sense of humour, regardless of anything. And it’s not dry or witty.

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Stillness and the speed of the mind

Final one — the Gita, the immortal person, moving place

FINAL ONE

Bhagavad Gita is the first book on yoga, then Hatha Yoga Pradipika?

Guruji: I think they’re discussing everything accurately. But Hatha Yoga Pradipika goes much more deeper into technical aspect of yoga and Gorakhbodh goes deeper into result of technical aspect of yoga. As we also discussed in Gorakhbodh – Gita might be the manual instruction for the immortal person. Don’t remain in one place, don’t be attached to the certain house, keep moving on – it is for immortal person.

immortal person should not stay in one place?

Guruji: you answer me – if you will be known that “he is immortal” or you’re living in one place for more than 200 years – what people will think? Nobody will appreciate that you might be a yogi – they might think that you’re a vampire and everything will blame on you: like we’re sick because he’s sucking away our life force. Or he might be a werewolf secretly or a black magician.

better change the place every 50 years?

Guruji: maybe even every 20 years or 15 years. Main thing is not to disturb a normal person.

and you must change the passport

Guruji: that’s why India is the best: you keep moving here without any passport. Just become a sadhu and nobody will ask anything. Even if police will arrest you, they will interrogate you then do pranam and let you go. You have to dress apart – jata and dhoti, or without langhoti. If you’re 1000 years old or 500 years old – you will have no shame of going naked.

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SUCCESS IN YOGA=SUCCESS IN LIFE

Dattatreya and Gorakhnath

DATTATREYA AND GORAKHNATH

what do You think about the story of Gopichand and sorceress Hira?

Guruji: it’s allegorical thing – the story was created by south Indians. Not necessary to be true. One of my favorite stories – when Gorakhnath met Dattatreya. They were walking together, talking; when they came to one lake they decided to play hide-n-seek. Dattatreya said to Gorakhnath – ok, you hide, I will seek you. Gorakhnath turn himself to a minutest frog and go inside – Dattatreya found him in one instant. Then it was Dattatreya’s turn to hide: he entered the lake. Gorakhath searched him for thousands of years without finding him; then he said please, come. he came out and when was asked, where he hide, he said: I turn into water and hide in water. they have to pass thousands years – so they like to have fun.

what he was doing in water thousands of years?

Guruji: hiding and seeking(laughing)

Dattatreya also looking very young like Gorakhnath?

Guruji: he is calling chirkumar – ever young. Looks like a teenager 15-16 years old. Black dogs and maybe cow also may follow him. He stands one of the most mysterious characters in India. Detailed account is not available anywhere. In last vision Gorakhnath was seen – he went up to Girnar mountain and disappeared.

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THE STORY OG GOVARDHAN HILL

Avadhut

AVADHUT

many yogis were trying to install Shivalingam here but failed?

Guruji: that was told by Ganganath

they were even become rishis?

Guruji: I mean tapas will always have the effect – even though Avadhut didn’t appear – the tapas will be there and they became rishis. I was not even trying to invoke Avadhut – He appeared or maybe that’s why He appeared; maybe the script was written this way. I’m happy it happened this way; we have so many stories to tell now.

why Avadhut?

Guruji: this is supposed to be Rudra face of Dattatreya. They say that Dattatreya has three heads – Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva; when his Brahma’s face is awaken – two others are in Samadhi and the whole world worships Brahma. Then he goes into Samadhi and Vishnu face wakes up – then the whole world worships Vishnu. Now he goes into Samadhi and Rudra’s face is awaken – so the whole world will worship Shiva. And that was the final thing. Because this reference only came from Ganganath, nowhere it is written – it maybe part of the story of Nath yogis or immortals: that’s why he came to confirm. Even after installation I was not taking it very seriously; then after few months everything changed. Commonly Dattatreya is called Avadhut.

and Matsyendranath and Gorakhnath?

Guruji: they reached that stage – but the title is still with Dattatreya. Avadhut is the highest state of yogi.

what that yogi was trying to do – invoke the power of Avadhut?

Guruji: natural Shivalingam was to appear in the cremation area and was to install on the cremation spot. So it came my way.

so they try to search but failed?

Guruji: you cannot search for it. You will just have to do tapas and it will appear. This is what happen here. Only He can decide where to go or where not to go.

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TO BE PURE ENERGY

Nine Nathas and the immortals merged with the Earth

how many yogis are already merged with the consciousness of the Earth?

Guruji: not many. Nine Nathas – guaranteed,

for sure. Definitely, every list of them. And those, who attain immortality –

I’m sure, they also merged their consciousness with the consciousness of it.

How many they are – one in a zillion.

they are staying in electrical bodies?

Guruji: maybe they are transforming their

bodies to electrical bodies- something like that.

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Village wisdom and accounts of siddhas

Rishi Mankanaka

who was rishi Mankanaka – for him Shiva himself dance his tandava?

Guruji: there is only one reference about this rishi, he’s not mentioned anywhere else. It means - there are rishis, who were before this creation and who will remain after this creation.

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