YOGIRAJ MAHARAJ

Book 1 · Part 4 · Chapter 6

Higher states: turiya, nirvikalpa, niralamba, kaivalya, sahaj

From the text: Turiya, the fourth, comes by recognizing the three states of mind and going beyond; then milk it as much as you can.

38 sections from 24 Darshans · 7,764 words

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  1. Where does Shiva's Drum Sound? · Where does Shiva’s Drum Sound?
  2. YouTube clip, ASR: the destination of practice — 'the beach' where every grain of sand is a universe, lying beside the vast expanse of consciousness. · LETS GO TO THE BEACH
  3. From the void to the observer · Power of observation
  4. Aphorisms: imagination, emotion, kundalini qualifications, ethics and consciousness/spirit distinctions · APHORISM’S
  5. Normal/subnormal English compilation: full counterpart comparison and missing Russian follow-ups · Darshans2026#04
  6. Real awareness — Void, Time, amrita and kutastha · EGO
  7. After samadhi — samyama, wisdom and where to concentrate · GOAL OF LIFE AND CONCENTRATION
  8. Nirvikalpa - no options remain · GURUJI ABOUT NON-ATTACHMENT
  9. What is yoga-nidra, niralamba, definition of kaivalya · HATHA YOGA PRADIPIKA, BHASTRIKA
  10. Turiya and turiyatita; mind without brain; Time; spirit as a drop · HATHA YOGA PRADIPIKA, BHASTRIKA
  11. Turiya and turiyatita; mind without brain; Time; spirit as a drop (continued) · HATHA YOGA PRADIPIKA, BHASTRIKA
  12. Going back to the source is gradual · HIGH STANDARD IN YOGA
  13. Access to subconsciousness: Vasudeva with four hands · HIGH STANDARD IN YOGA
  14. Access to subconsciousness: Vasudeva with four hands (continued) · HIGH STANDARD IN YOGA
  15. Niralamb sthiti and one aim · HOW AGASTIA RISI DRINK THE OCEAN?
  16. Emotions of the fully awakened mind · IGNORANCE NOT INNOCENCE
  17. Stagnition — breathless communication, paravani, observer, self-destruction, many Universes · MALINI – SOURCE OF ORIGIN OF MANTRA
  18. Stagnition — breathless communication, paravani, observer, self-destruction, many Universes (continued) · MALINI – SOURCE OF ORIGIN OF MANTRA
  19. Market scepticism, gradual practice and fourth-state language · Mercury, amalgams and marketplace claims
  20. TURIYA — the fourth state, its use, and turiyatita · MOTIVATION
  21. Four stages — nirbija and sabija · PRISONERS OR TRAVELERS
  22. Sutra 2 - knowledge is bondage · SHIVA SUTRAs SPECIAL DISCUSSION
  23. Sutras 7-8 - experience of the fourth state; only awakening is knowledge · SHIVA SUTRAs SPECIAL DISCUSSION
  24. Sutra 27 - unsupported state beyond death becomes natural; Shiva-like · SHIVA SUTRAs SPECIAL DISCUSSION
  25. Sutra 39 - ending ignorance leads to a state of infinite passiveness · SHIVA SUTRAs SPECIAL DISCUSSION
  26. Sutra 43 - senses become witnesses · SHIVA SUTRAs SPECIAL DISCUSSION
  27. Sutra 46 - as here, so is everywhere · SHIVA SUTRAs SPECIAL DISCUSSION
  28. Sutra 47 - contemplation of origin · SHIVA SUTRAs SPECIAL DISCUSSION
  29. Sutra 52 - the fourth beyond the three should be extracted like essence; turiya and turiyatita · SHIVA SUTRAs SPECIAL DISCUSSION
  30. Sutra 56 - concentration into the origin of creation · SHIVA SUTRAs SPECIAL DISCUSSION
  31. Sutra 64 - when this experience happens, resignation sets in · SHIVA SUTRAs SPECIAL DISCUSSION
  32. To see with your mind — ether, vayu, Void · SHORT STATEMENTS
  33. Darkness at the center of kutastha, the divine eye, and non-duality · SPLINTERS OF THE HEART
  34. The quiet mind and matter to Void to Time · Stay away from sadhus!
  35. Sabija-nirbija, savikalpa-nirvikalpa, options and freedom · Stillness and the speed of the mind
  36. Sahaj is not 'easy'; the brain stays different; patience · WHAT WILL BE AFTER DEATH
  37. 5. – Guruji Darshan · 5. – Guruji Darshan
  38. Hatha Yoga Pradipika of Svatmarama — A Manual of Kriya Yoga, Shailendra Sharma · Hatha Yoga Pradipika of Svatmarama — A Manual of Kriya Yoga, Shailendra Sharma

Where does Shiva’s Drum Sound?

Where does Shiva's Drum Sound?

Until you get the consciousness of the void you will never conceive or perceive the essence of time. And the void is the beginning of the true knowledge. When you get the consciousness of the void, your heart will open and the prana will change its place. And wherever you concentrate upon your mind will go there because it is free from the body, the physical bondage or limitation. It will start entering into the consciousness of the void. Out of the void the unstruck sound comes — that is Om. And your knowledge, your wisdom will begin from then and there.

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If you are capable of leaving your body consciously, and then you have enough control over your thought process; then wherever you wish to concentrate and wish yourself to meet, you will appear there. In an instant. From micro to macro. Even inside the atom you can benefit with your consciousness because the void is also there. But only that person is capable of doing that who has realized by his own experience that the world is nothing more than a thought. He can do all these things.

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LETS GO TO THE BEACH

YouTube clip, ASR: the destination of practice — 'the beach' where every grain of sand is a universe, lying beside the vast expanse of consciousness.

I was asked that okay we are practicing yoga we are studying ultimately what is our destination. I said we will go to the beach beach where every speck of sand is a universe in itself and you will be lying by and beside the vast portion of consciousness that is our destination we are going towards. Wow. Let's go to the beach.

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Power of observation

From the void to the observer

deeper and deeper. Then you realize that void is not just [clears throat] void. There is subtle consciousness flowing inside. It is all ocean of consciousness. That is another conclusion. Then you go on observing, diving deep into that ocean of consciousness. And then you realize there is time flowing inside. That is another conclusion. Then you go on observing time and you realize there is a flow of consciousness inside the time also. You start observing it. Then you wonder who is actually observing. Then you start to observe the observer itself. And then that observation you go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper. Then

you realize who is observing. And then as they say in yogutras, the observer is established in his or her own self. That is the power of observation. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Amazing.

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APHORISM’S

Aphorisms: imagination, emotion, kundalini qualifications, ethics and consciousness/spirit distinctions

YOUR EMOTIONS

we want to ask You about the emotions; now there exists two controversial opinioins – one is that you must live all the emotions and express them; and other – that you must control them, hide them and put them inside?

Guruji: first – you need to understand them. When you will begin to understand your emotions – they will be friendly with you. Remember, they are your emotions: if you will not support them – then who will? Emotion; in motion – in movement, thoughts also. But we can use our emotions in a very positive way. Just another name for your thought.

DEFINITION OF SAVIKALPA AND NIRVIKALPA SAMADHI

is the state of samadhi and rising of Kundalini the purposes of Kriya yoga?

Guruji: samadhi is a purpose of all yoga practice. And only Kriya yoga lineage actually discuss samadhi.

it exists some different types of samadhi – or it’s only one state?

Guruji: no, read Patanjali Yoga Sutras, commentaries of Shailendra Sharma. Samadhi is also used in many different ways.

all that definitions which we read – like savikalpa, nirvikalpa and others…?

Guruji: they exists: they are all described in Patanjali. I will define: savikalpa means “with option”, vikalpa means option; the mental state which has some options. Nirvikalpa: the mental state without any options.

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Darshans2026#04

Normal/subnormal English compilation: full counterpart comparison and missing Russian follow-ups

REACH THE BEACH OF THE OCEAN

Watch the video

So, after you have studied so hard and done such deep research, and then you started to practice yoga, and you expanded your limits to the level where you begin to understand what consciousness is and where it comes from.

And finally, at the end of the first chapter, you reach the beach of the ocean, where every speck of sand is a universe in itself, and the ocean you see is the ocean of consciousness.

You rest on the beach for some time because one chapter is over. Another journey, another chapter, is just beginning, which is in front of you.

Rest, then dive into the ocean of consciousness. Enjoy. Go deeper and deeper and deeper.

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EGO

Real awareness — Void, Time, amrita and kutastha

REAL AWARENESS

first we become aware of the Void and that the Void is conscious and then about the consciousness of the Void; only then we know the own spirit?

Guruji: much later.

and the Time is in between of our own spirit and Ishwar?

Guruji: Time is everywhere. Understanding of Ishwar will come much later. First you will become conscious of your spirit and the Void, then the Time; then it will take the very long time to be comfortable with this; then you will become aware of the very great mysterious force - which we were talking in the topic of Inside the body.

what is the sequence of knowing them?

Guruji: there is no sequence, it just depends on your awareness. This is not paid course, it depends on your awareness only.

but when we’re trying to solve or to pierce the granthis- we couldn’t jump immediately to Rudra granthi for example?

Guruji: no, this is a different thing. When your brain is developing – you will become aware of so many things. Even though, it will take a very long time to know about them. Awareness will be there.

but awareness and close relationship – they are two different things?

Guruji: close relationship will take a very long time.

we also must create the friendship with the Void?

Guruji: it is the ocean of consciousness: when your consciousness is developing – you are friendly with that. The Mother of all.

in the stage of development when we’re able to know the own spirit: we’re pure consciousness?

Guruji: the body remains.

and we will still see kutastha?

Guruji: why not? You will see every form, which can be there.

what will happen when we will be able to see Ishwar: Vasudeva will remain?

Guruji: Vasudeva will remain, but you will not depending on him or her.

why amrita starts to form?

Guruji: because you work for it! The part of the brain, which is sleeping; when you wake it up: then some very mysterious substance start forming. Otherwise – it’s not possible to form.

how it comes to the heart?

Guruji: now heart is supporting brain; then awaken brain will start supporting heart. Payback time. Only with more than enough practice these centres will be stimulated, started to wake up; then after very long time that substance may start forming.

so heart needs two tonics simultaneously: amrita and ojas?

Guruji: without ojas nothing is going to happen: you will never reach that level that you will think of waking up your sleeping brain. When amrita will come – it will make you live up to 10000 years. And see the world pass by.

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GOAL OF LIFE AND CONCENTRATION

After samadhi — samyama, wisdom and where to concentrate

when you achieve samadhi – you start to do samyama on different parts?

Guruji: it is the different use of these things so you’re becoming aware of them.

it is like learning, education?

Guruji: understanding. What you learn is knowledge; what you understand is wisdom.

so only when your mind is awaken by samadhi – you start to perceive?

Guruji: that’s why I keep saying: it is the beginning of a new chapter.

after samadhi we start to perceive and to train the new things?

Guruji: not exactly, you were not ready – your mind is going there, you focus and you begin to understand.

but who will point you where you should concentrate?

Guruji: whatever your mind be interested in. no need of teacher or something; but you may need to discuss that things.

Guru decides – today you need this?

Guruji: no. any point of concentration can give you a lot of new information – that’s why our discussions go so deep: you started something and it goes on and on.

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GURUJI ABOUT NON-ATTACHMENT

Nirvikalpa - no options remain

what can You say about their mental level: how it differs from the person who has some attachments?

Guruji: they are sort of nirvikalpa: no options remain for them. They are too far gone; their mental state is absolutely beyond understanding of the normal person. They are too far gone in their path. Nirvikalpa means no more options: such mental state is not easy to understand.

is it like pure vairagya for them?

Guruji: no, just a thing when in your mind there is no second option. Whatever he decided – no other option remains, no vikalpa.

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HATHA YOGA PRADIPIKA, BHASTRIKA

What is yoga-nidra, niralamba, definition of kaivalya

WHAT IS YOGA-NIDRA, NIRALAMBA, DEFINITION OF KAIVAYLA

You said that only in Kriya yoga it is safety: first thousands of samadhis then awakening of Kundalini?

Guruji: yes, it’s step by step system. If you’re not survive the adventure to tell the stories – for what through adventure you have gone? It is the very brave thing to jump into a fire; but more intelligent person think how to come out from the fire without any doubts. Then it is something.

we discussed the state of khechari from Hatha Yoga Pradipika; then they are saying that it’s the state of unperceiving the Time?

Guruji: your physical time. It will stand still. The essence of Time you will know; but your physical time, your biological clock will stop. The ageing process will stop.

is it the state of unmani?

Guruji: unmani is beyond the conscious mind: access into the subconscious.

is it come in the suspended animation?

Guruji: no, in this Shambhavi and Khechari as they described. It is beyond the samadhi in awaken state.

khechari must be practiced until the state of yoga nidra will come?

Guruji : yes: that is suspended animation .

when it come – we’re continue to practice khechari, but not in that state?

Guruji: yes, you will get over it, go beyond that. Yoga nidra is as good as suspended animation.

so yogin in yoga nidra is not yet qualified for more advanced samadhi?

Guruji: it’s a step – he will get over it.

what is niralamb state of mind?

Guruji: it’s very easy to explain: when your mind is steady without any thought – that is niralamb state. Aralamba means when you’re holding on to something; niralamba- when you’re not holding to any thought, nothing – but your mind is steady.

it is said that our physical body is needed to attain immortality?

Guruji: but niralamb is a mental state. When body is crossing over the certain level after 10 mudras – we keep stressing, it stops old age and death: then only niralamb state will follow. Only in such body mind can so relaxed, it will not need to hold to any particular thought for concentration. Elementary, my dear Watson!

what is the difference between niralamb and kaivalya state?

Guruji: only after going to niralamb you’re very near to attaining kaivalya . When conscious and subconscious are together – only one consciousness remains; that is kaivalya. Here I will first time give the definition of kaivalya: kaivalya means one and only. One and only mind is when there is no duality of conscious and subconscious mind; they merge together and only pure consciousness remains: that is the state of kaivalya.

in niralamb state they are still separate?

Guruji: no, it’s the beginning of that state.

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HATHA YOGA PRADIPIKA, BHASTRIKA

Turiya and turiyatita; mind without brain; Time; spirit as a drop

TURIYA AND TURIYATITA

what is the difference between kaivalya and nirvana?

Guruji: only after you decide to leave the body after attaining immortality – then it is called nirvana . This I’ve described in Gorakhbodh also.

what is turiya and turiyatita?

Guruji: turiya means the fourth state of mind . Jagrat, swapna, sushupti: when you’re gone beyond these three, then you’re in the fourth state of mind with awaken consciousness. Then when you see- there is not the end, there is other thing – then it is called turiyatita.

but turiya and kaivalya is one and the same?

Guruji: no, turiya is the beginning of understanding what kaivalya can be.

so turiya and niralamb are nearly the same?

Guruji: no, after turiya the niralamb will come.

turiya – when your consciousness are one?

Guruji: there is no jagrat, swapna and sushupti – no awaken state, no dream-like, no sleeping; mind is now awaken and it’s merging. The process of merging is on. Then this three part merges- turiya comes, turiya means the fourth state: that means fully awaken mind. Then you become aware of so much beyond this also. When you begin to see it – that is turiyatita, beyond the fourth thing.

can we say that kaivalya is the highest form of everything?

Guruji: yes.

In turiya niralamb state begins. Then you become aware about vastness beyond your own personality. Then your mind will begin to see so fantastic things, which we cannot imagine: then it will be turiyatita.

how these states are connected with the rising of Kundalini?

Guruji: only with rising of Kundalini 100% brain will awake. It is directly connected.

ok, in turiya state, when layers are merging – which state of Kundalini is it?

Guruji: second awakening of Kundalini. Conscious mind is sleeping, then you wake it up again. Then turiya came.

brain is the seat of the mind; but mind can exist without brain?

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HATHA YOGA PRADIPIKA, BHASTRIKA

Turiya and turiyatita; mind without brain; Time; spirit as a drop (continued)

Guruji: yes, after physical death it exists without brain. Brain is the place, where mind sits. Yamaraj gives the right example to Nachiketa: the body is like a chariot, senses are like horses and the spirit sits like a driver. It is driving a chariot – but it is not a part of it. Same way the spirit or the mind.

where mind exists when there is no body?

Guruji: in the Void: it’s one of Matsyendranath’s answers. He’s great in questions and answers.

the mind and the spirit are together forever, we cannot separate them?

Guruji: I think I’ve written it the best in Shiva Sutras: mind takes over the body and makes it pregnant with the seed of consciousness. And consciousness as a fetus grows in the body and body is the mother. When it is fully developed – it delivered with physical death: then it remains with Time forever. Very poetic description, but true. I’m the first person, who started to talk about Time like this – nobody discussed it before.

can we say that spirit is like representation of the Time?

Guruji: chittam atma, as Shiva Sutra is saying. The mind is atma: feeling of being come from the intellectual perception that he exists. Mind or consciousness – whatever word you want to use.

but spirit also?

Guruji: spirit is just a life provider. You take out the drop of water from the ocean: just only a drop of water. and in the ocean it was ocean itself. The spirit is just a drop from the ocean.

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HIGH STANDARD IN YOGA

Going back to the source is gradual

what the yogi tries to develop first?

Guruji: first we’re trying to go back to the source; when you want to go back to the source – you have to go through the proper way. So you need to develop those vibration by understanding them. first you need to experience them, first you need to develop yourself to the level – that you will become in tune with those vibrations and sound; then – the source you will be able to see.

but at first yogis start to perceive Naad sound in whole totality or some part of it?

Guruji: no, some part begins. In totality the system may not be able to tolerate, paralysis may follow.

Slowly- slowly, with enough yoga practice, yoga sadhana, the nervous system becomes extraordinarily tolerant for such vibrations; your brain develops to a very greater degree so it will be able to tolerate that frequency of the sound; then you will begin to see the difference between different notes. It’s a gradual process – and a very long process.

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HIGH STANDARD IN YOGA

Access to subconsciousness: Vasudeva with four hands

ACCESS TO SUBCONSCIOUSNESS

is it true that with successful Hridaya granthi the yogi will see Vasudeva with the four hands?

Guruji: successfully done – then. That’s the main catch.

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HIGH STANDARD IN YOGA

Access to subconsciousness: Vasudeva with four hands (continued)

how it will be: you will see him in practice?

Guruji: if you will be successful in practice, as a result of successful practice you will see him. When it will come – you will know. I’ve giving conclusions, the results: but it’s a long way to achieve that.

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HOW AGASTIA RISI DRINK THE OCEAN?

Niralamb sthiti and one aim

from the chapter “on mudras”: it is said that mind shouldn’t concentrate on any object- only then it could be out of death; how it could be managed in normal life?

Guruji: well, the life will not be normal: it is called niralambsthiti. So when you achieve the niralamb sthiti, you are no longer “normal” – as we understand the word “normal”.

so this shloka is not applying to our practice right now?

Guruji: it is the result – one of the results of the practice. Now you should concentrate on perfecting Kriya yoga. These things will follow as result.

what is Your suggestion, what is better: be concentrated on one aim?

Guruji: first – now, yes. Karmanya vadhikaraste ma phaleshukada chana. It is your duty to do the karma, don’t worry about the fruit of it – as we discussed.

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IGNORANCE NOT INNOCENCE

Emotions of the fully awakened mind

what happens with emotions when your mind is fully awaken?

Guruji: strong mind will have strong emotions. Emotions will always remain. If there is an ocean – waves will always remain.

they will have the same chemical reactions as before?

Guruji: the body will be extraordinary after that: so if it will be chemical reaction – it will be on a very sublime level.

so they will come but they will not affect the body like before?

Guruji: no, they should not.

you will be like observer – or you will perceive them?

Guruji: it’s your choice: you can do anything with them. What is liberation? Liberty to do anything. It’s your decision.

and you will be able to invoke it any time?

Guruji: it’s naturally state, no need to invoke them.

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MALINI – SOURCE OF ORIGIN OF MANTRA

Stagnition — breathless communication, paravani, observer, self-destruction, many Universes

STAGNITION

Whether the breathless state – those who manage to communicate if they still communicated with the means of the tongue; they still inhale and exhale?

Guruji: If you will need to talk – you will need to inhale something and exhale something: otherwise no sound will come.

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MALINI – SOURCE OF ORIGIN OF MANTRA

Stagnition — breathless communication, paravani, observer, self-destruction, many Universes (continued)

But it’s not affecting this state?

Guruji: I think it will affect, because the movement of the air will begin again. But most of these people, whomever I see – they are able to talk telepathically.

So there is no need for them to talk?

Guruji: No: it is called paravani – mind to mind communication. Very big achievement.

Any connection with this Creation?

Guruji: H e will remain part of the Creation and he will be in the situation to understand the workings of Creation; he will be able to understand that. He will become an observer.

He's not present in the body anymore?

Guruji: No, but his consciousness is there and it is a superconsciousness. The connection remains. He will be discussing with beings like himself.

We discussed the appearance of the Creation and disappearance of it; stagnation is also part of it?

Guruji: Stagnation is also stage; it has been observed and it is there from time to time.

So it's part of the cycle?

Guruji: O r maybe what we’re calling stagnation – it may be an absolutely different stage of the things, because we’re too much into movement OF past and future, so we don't understand what stagnation is. Stagnation is: he is still; in no movement, nothing. Maybe Creation itself is experiencing something, which we’re unable to understand. That’s why when you reach superconsciousness and you don’t have a physical body – then you’re absolutely an observer. Then there will be so much awareness and so many things you will begin to understand. Think big always, never compromise with your imagination!

If stagnation is a part of the cycle, the self-destruction – is it also part of the cycle?

Guruji: If it is done willingly, that means you will not destroy yourself – you will continue to exist.

Is it applicable for the Universe?

Guruji: Could be.

Reaching the certain point where the matter disintegrates.

Guruji: Hinduism is something different: they described – that there are billions of different Creations and billions of different worlds. This is just one of the Universes. Maybe there are many-many more. They say – as there is sand on the beaches, there are more Universes out there, far more than that number. So no Creation is the last one or the first one – so many more. Fantastic thing if you’re able to move between Universes as well.

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Mercury, amalgams and marketplace claims

Market scepticism, gradual practice and fourth-state language

what’s the difference between turya and turyatita?

Guruji: actually turya means the fourth state. It exists awaken state, dreamy state and sleeping state; turya comes after- it is beside these three states. That means – awaken state going to sleep, the dreaming state is being realized, and subconscious becomes conscious – that is the four state, which every yogi trying to achieve. You can call it Samadhi – the fourth state of mind.

and turyatita?

Guruji: same thing. The mind will remain, but it will be in the fourth state. The word was made in the sake of trying to explain, but it actually increase more confusion, when you are trying to explain something that you have not experienced. So the fourth state of mind is turayatita – who established in the fourth state. Awaken conscious and subconscious.

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MOTIVATION

TURIYA — the fourth state, its use, and turiyatita

TURIYA

11/36 – first you must understand all three conditions: awake, dreaming and sleep without a dream and the fourth is beyond?

Guruji: turiya, yes.

when you understand them – you will create them like something all together?

Guruji: first you will understand them with your awaken mind, which now will appear like a dream – that such big magic is just sleeping inside you. When you’re able to make it conscious – then it will be the fourth state, beyond jagrati, svapna and sushupti. It will sound like a dream – that such power and magic is sleeping inside you, we don’t believe it but it is there.

but finally could these layers create the one?

Guruji: yes, and it is called turiya – the fourth state.

could we say that exists only these four states?

Guruji: fourth state is full awaken state: then you’re free to use this awaken state to achieve anything or to know anything, wherever your attention will go. Fourth is all three together. It is like first you’re alone, bachelor, then you’re get married, then you become mother and father, then you become grandfather and grandmother. Fourth state( smiling)

it could be the situation when only the first and second layers will be together or only second and third?

Guruji: no, first you will become aware; svapna is just like thinking – it is there, it is not there; just like a theory or some philosophy. First you realize – then you make it awaken, then it will be fourth state of the mind. Then they also mentioned turiyatita – beyond the fourth state: and nobody say anything about it.

what it could be beyond?

Guruji: using that fourth state- only then you will know. When you went through all categories and your mind is 100% awaken, that is fourth state – and then you’re free to use it, that is beyond fourth state.

is it said about physical or not a physical or it’s about immortal body: when it is said that we must somehow break the circle of rebirth and the body is like sacrifice and quitting the body is going somewhere else?

Guruji: no, they might describe the state of nirvana, which is discussed in Gorakhbodh: when you have a choice to continue your immortal body or leave it behind. They are discussing about life and death – there are only two ways: either you don’t die, become immortal – you will break a chain; or somehow your identity established – so even after dyeing you will continue on your journey without having to take another birth.

what is the difference between immortality and that final state?

Guruji: I mean you will become immortal with 5 elements – and then only 2 elements will remain.

so you will be in vayu sharir forever?

Guruji: yes, but this 5 elemental thing is more important.

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PRISONERS OR TRAVELERS

Four stages — nirbija and sabija

Q : in Hatha Yoga Pradipika they describe the four stages or steps of Samadhi – it’s like levels?

Guruji : this word – level – is not convey the direct meaning. Let’s say – evolution, progress. You master the preparation period then you go higher and master the second one. When you have mastered mudras – you’re ready to have tackle for Samadhi. It’s continuation of the progress.

Q : what about these terms – nirbija and sabija?

Guruji : technically they were trying to say…. Something. No matter how much intellectual discussions we will continue to have – the real meaning will continue to pervade us. They were trying to describe the mental stages, the stages of understanding of something. Maybe you can call nirbija when duality of conscious mind and subconscious mind are no longer there. And sabija – when you still can differentiate between conscious and subconscious. First you’re recognizing and separating it – that is called sabija; then the seed germinates, when the fruit comes from the seed – then it is nirbija. When you’re soiling the seed – you’re with seed, but when the tree come and the fruit come – then nirbija, no more seed and effect.

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Sutra 2 - knowledge is bondage

2.KNOWLEDGE IS BONDAGE.

Guruji: yes, because all gyana depends on the past experiences of other people or old people: that means if you’re running after knowledge - you have embracing past all the time and no Atit ghat will take place - as we have reached to that level now.

So: all your past is bondage.

so when we reach Atit ghat it means something even beyond the knowledge, it’s like cognition?

Guruji: you will not recognize the things, you will cognize the things! That difference will come. Recognizing – you’re always comparing from the past when you’re accessing something.

Cognition – immediate knowing, what is this. Knowledge is bondage, because it depends on the past.

I had an idea that maybe because of our perception of the limited senses, when we’re focusing our attention on the world?

Guruji: every knowledge – whatever education you have – it’s just study of the past. Of course it is needed – but it will be a bondage from yogic point of view.

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Sutras 7-8 - experience of the fourth state; only awakening is knowledge

7.EXPERIENCE (DIRECT PERCEPTION) OF THE FOURTH STATE IS POSSIBLE BY SEPARATING THE AWAKENED, DREAM AND DORMANT STATES OF MIND

about that fourth state: is it samadhi – or is it beyond that?

Guruji: no, they say about awaken state, sleep and dream state: in the beginning all these achievements when somebody tells you – they sound like a dream to you. And you were already sleeping because subconscious mind is sleeping.

When you’re able to awaken it – you’re jagrat. After you have experience all these things – then, what your mental state will be, that is called fourth state of mind: experienced one, who knows. It doesn’t have to be a particular state – post-experience.

8.ONLY AWAKENING IS KNOWLEDGE

the awakening here is when we awake our subconscious or when we just diving in subconscious – but conscious mind is sleeping?

Guruji: no, when it is fully awaked and when you have fully ability for cognition. Your cognition will not be depending on any past education – that will be recognition. When you’re able to cognize – then it’s very different chapter in your life.

subconscious must be awakened, but what happens with the conscious mind then?

Guruji: they are saying it after the fourth state of turyia is talked, discussed: that is after.

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Sutra 27 - unsupported state beyond death becomes natural; Shiva-like

27. WHEN EXISTENCE IN AN UNSUPPORTED STATE THAT LIES BEYOND DEATH BECOMES NATURAL, STATUS BECOME SHIVA-LIKE

Guruji: when you realised that you can continue to exist even if there is body or no body – then.

could we say that it’s the result of the terrible efforts?

Guruji: of course. That is the state beyond life and death.

the state “Shivoham”, Shiva-like – is this the state beyond knowing the Time?

Guruji: no, it is the state of knowing the Time!

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Sutra 39 - ending ignorance leads to a state of infinite passiveness

39. ENDING IGNORANCE NATURALLY LEADS TO A STATE OF INFINITE PASSIVENESS THAT ENDURES

what we must to endure here?

Guruji: there is a great example given, I will just quote it: as a virgin will never know what is the pain of childbirth, no matter how many delivery she may attended – until unless she go through this experience herself, she will never know the true experience of becoming a mother. So no matter how much we discuss- you will know exactly what will happen when you will reach that.

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Sutra 43 - senses become witnesses

43. SENSES BECOME WITNESSES

Guruji: witnesses of the show, which is going on.

the senses themselves – are they also become like an entertainment?

Guruji: yes.

is it possible to feel anything without physical body?

Guruji: body is just an instrument of the mind. When you’re awaken and you’re like Shiva – you will feel without any body, physicality of it, but far more intensely a physical body can experience.

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Sutra 46 - as here, so is everywhere

46. AS HERE, SO IS EVERYWHERE

by the control of the imagination with the will power and awaken consciousness we could erase the borders between the dimensions of time? And between the worlds – like physical and astral?

Guruji: yes, it is possible. No one can stop you. It is even possible everywhere and nowhere at the same time. You can tune your consciousness with the consciousness of the whole Universe or creation – and you can disconnect your consciousness from that. You can be everywhere at the same time and when you disconnect – you are nowhere at the same time.

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Sutra 47 - contemplation of origin

47. CONTEMPLATION OF ORIGIN

in the eleventh chapter of Gita, when Arjuna saw the Time itself – he was very scared of its image?

Guruji: I will give an absolutely different example here: if you will be able somehow witness exactly how you were created inside the mother – it will frighten you. It will not be a very good sight. Same way: origin will always frighten you.

but for an accomplished yogi such an experience will be…

Guruji: yes, he has gone beyond fear. When we have overcome fears, in the most frightening situations you will be normal, peaceful. Try to imagine your creation inside the womb: the whole process will startle you, you will be frighten – and you don’t want to repeat it again.

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Sutra 52 - the fourth beyond the three should be extracted like essence; turiya and turiyatita

52. FOURTH BEYOND THE THREE SHOULD BE EXTRACTED LIKE ESSENCE

Guruji: yes, by recognizing all three states of mind you should go beyond and then that state is called the fourth – turiya. Then you milk it as much as you can and your awareness will continue to be extraordinary.

is it connected here with the three gunas? Why it is considered beyond three gunas – and even that achievement is not the liberation?

Guruji: no. You just take a nearer step forward. The new chapter will begin, no limits.

could we say that kaivalya state is the final liberation?

Guruji: I think you could finally sit down and relax for some time.

could we define turiyatita like the fifth state of consciousness or the state beyond any states?

Guruji: it is a state beyond all states, which were recognized by your mind.

what is the difference between turiya and turiyatita?

Guruji: turiya is the fourth state; when you have crossed even the fourth state – that is beyond fourth: turiyatita means beyond turiya. They say – three states of mind: jagrat, Swapna, sushupti: when you’re gone beyond all these three – that is called turiya. And when you’re gone even beyond that – that is turiyatita.

is turiyatita like a state where all layers of the time are merged together?

Guruji: no; with your 2% conscious mind the sleeping subconscious appears like a dream: these are three states. So when with the extraordinary effort you are able to wake up your subconscious – that can be called turiya, no longer sleeping, merged in one; than whatever it will do – it will do: you don’t know what it will do: that is turiyatita.

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Sutra 56 - concentration into the origin of creation

56. CONCENTRATION INTO THE ORIGIN OF CREATION CAUSES KNOWLEDGE OF WHY IT IS DESTROYED AND CREATED AGAIN

on what type of concentration here it is spoken?

Guruji: first you need to discover the source of the creation: that will take overwhelming effort and extraordinary development of your mind and consciousness. And when you realize the source of the creation – then you’re able to concentrate on it. It’s a gradual process.

is this concentration from the pure thought?

Guruji: pure thought maybe the first step towards it. You have already realized all different levels of your consciousness from pure thought to inner thought – everything; only then you will be able to experience the real concentration.

this type of concentration is niralamb?

Guruji: no, it is not exactly niralamb – you have already gone through niralamb. And after realizing the source of creation you’re focusing on it! It’s another type – much more elaborate then niralamb.

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Sutra 64 - when this experience happens, resignation sets in

64. WHEN THIS EXPERIENCE HAPPENS, RESIGNATION SETS IN

Guruji: because you have gone far beyond the mundane things and you are appreciating the finer and finer things of the creation – so you will look different to others.

the yogi in a state of kaivalya – he has some kind of intentions or wishes?

Guruji: I think he is the only person who is in a situation of enjoying everything in this creation; the great joy or enjoyment will begin. Santosh is there; then the joy will come.

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SHORT STATEMENTS

To see with your mind — ether, vayu, Void

TO SEE WITH YOUR MIND

what does it mean when sadhak begins to see the ether?

Guruji: why not? It is material element. All five elements are considered material.

but before it he must see the vayu – or no?

Guruji: when your seen is not depending on the reflection of the light: then that vision will develop. It’s a rare phenomena.

it’s considered to be connected with Bhuvaneshwari- because she’s the ruler of the space and ether?

Guruji: we can connect it

have You seen someone with this ability?

Guruji: not yet. Or maybe those immortals- they maybe having it, but we never talk about it; this question never cross my mind.

but it must appear after certain level in Kriya?

Guruji: not exactly level – just development in your practice.

will it be like certification of development – or such ability is not obligatory?

Guruji: that is just one milestone in your journey. When we are moving to reach some destination even we cross one milestone – we don’t stop to worship the milestone, we just cross it. Most of the things should be taken like that.

when your sight will be not depending on the light – you can see the Void also?

Guruji: you will become conscious of the Void.

so it concerns not only gross elements – maybe some subtle also?

Guruji: Void is everywhere.

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SPLINTERS OF THE HEART

Darkness at the center of kutastha, the divine eye, and non-duality

in the center of kutastha – it is darkness?

Guruji: only by going through darkness you will understand the true nature of darkness. Then the very different life and wisdom and knowledge will come. light not always means that light; - light of knowledge, light of experience, light of wisdom… just for language we have to use these words. Because our sight depends on light, our eyes are seeing only reflection. When we will begin to see with the divine eye – then we will see the reality, not just the reflection of the things. You’re looking at me – but you’re looking only 60% of me: 2 elements – they go missing.

where is the divine light?

Guruji: it maybe the core of the subconscious mind.

Ghor literally means absolute darkness – of ignorance and everything.

Aghor means – the darkness of ignorance is no more.

That means the subconscious brain wakes up. That is the state of aghor: pure consciousness – no duality, no conscious mind, no subconscious mind. Everything is merged together and everything is conscious: that is the state of non-duality.

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Stay away from sadhus!

The quiet mind and matter to Void to Time

Nath Sampradaya

"Guruji, I wonder what goes on in the mind of a self-realized man? What do they think about? Are they in some other time-zone altogether?"

Guruji: "(laughs) nothing goes on in their mind. See, when alone, the mind is totally quiet. And during discussion, what comes out is more as a reaction to whom I'm speaking to."

"We've learned so many things in these discussions."

Guruji: "A disciple should have at least this much information. Otherwise, what's the point of being a guru?

"Till now, our discussions have mainly focused on matter - earthly matters. Slowly they reach Void. That could be an interesting discussion. Then we’ll talk about Time!

"What we’ve said is that Earth is like a queen in this whole creation. But the creation itself is so vast! What is its extent, what are its attributes? We are still to talk about that. But as they say, charity begins at home. Until we are Earth-conscious, we’ll not be creation-conscious. And until we are creation-conscious, what is beyond this creation we’ll not be able to grasp.

"Still, we’ve discussed a lot of things. Even Vimalananda wasn't able to discuss all these (laughs)"

"A lot of what I've read in his books I had already known from you. That’s why I thought he was authentic."

Guruji: "Yeah, even though he wasn’t ultimately a yogi, he did a few tantra practices, and even those require practice of concentration. Concentration is required everywhere. Without that, how can you achieve anything in life? He must have had an interesting personality."

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Stillness and the speed of the mind

Sabija-nirbija, savikalpa-nirvikalpa, options and freedom

SABIJA-NIRBIJA SAVIKALPA-NIRVIKALPA

what is the difference between sabija and nirbija samadhi?

Guruji: sabija samadhi means when you realize the seed of your being and the seed of your creation, from where it is started; and then, when you have learned everything by your own experience – then after your state of mind will called nirbija samadhi, when no longer trying to know the source of the creation, the source of your being, your mind is beyond this thing. It will remain inside, but you’re not running to know it. That is the difference. It’s just the description of mental state. Like savikalpa and nirvikalpa; what is savikalpa? Vikalpa means “option”. When you have more than one option – your mental state will be called savikalpa, he has some options. Nirvikalpa means you have already clear all your vikalpa and no more options remain – that mentally state called nirvikalpa, absolutely zero options.

options switched off?

Guruji: not switched off – no more options in your mind. It is not switching off.

it means pure mind?

Guruji: whatever – even that option is no longer there, pure or impure.

options are not needed?

Guruji: you need to think more on that, it’s the very deep thing. Imagine the person’s mental state who has absolute zero options.

nirvikalpa and nirbija is the same?

Guruji: no, nirvikalpa is the very different thing. When you realize the source of anything – it maybe some other options for knowing. Nirvikalpa is the ultimate state when no options for anything remains in your mind. It’s a very-very big state of mind, very deep.

it’s the highest state of samadhi?

Guruji: even that thing doesn’t remain – high or low, it’s just a state of mind. Amazing mental states. They have not other option then not to be the great yogi anymore. They cannot go at it. Because we’re normal people – we’re still in savikalpa state. What is said in James Bond movies? Always have escape plan.

we always have an option?

Guruji: create an option. World may not give you any option. World never give any option. Another point: if you have more than one option – you will always have to make a choice or a decision. Then it will be no option – you don’t have to make any choice or take any decision. At least you will be free of your decisions and free from your choices. That maybe the real freedom. No more choices, nothing to choose.

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WHAT WILL BE AFTER DEATH

Sahaj is not 'easy'; the brain stays different; patience

Is this practice a process which turns on an alternative mode of the brain function? If samadhi is “switched on”, does it turn the brain into a different mode?

And after Samadhi – does the brain return to the previous patterns of the functionality or not? Lahiri Mahasaya said that after 5000 samadhis the mental state becomes different. Did he mean the switching to a different functionality mode of the brain, which is called sahaja samadhi?

Guruji: “ Sahaj” doesn ’ t mean “ easy ”. When you have tolerated everything, which is there to be tolerated – then that state of mind is called “ Sahaj” . So with samadhi you will become so mature, that perspective will be very different. This is what he meant.

Q: And does the brain remain in a different state?

Guruji: Of course. After experiencing and seeing so many things, which normal people could never even imagine – of course, your point of view will remain different. You ’ re a child once and now you are a grown-up man: even if you play with children you will never again become a child. All that experiences, awareness, your education, knowledge will remain with you. Have patience and carry on!

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5. – Guruji Darshan

5. – Guruji Darshan

attributed by source, provisional

In the fourth chapter of Hatha Yoga Pradipika Swatmarama describes inner and outer voids. The exploration and realization of those voids takes the seeker “beyond mind” – a yogi is lead to the Unmuni state by the sound of the Void.

When all granthis are cleared, the yogi’s mind merges with the outer Void as he listens to the greatness of eternal Naad in the state of Samadhi.

Awareness of the sound allows the seeker’s conscious mind to enter the realm of sub consciousness.

This step signifies the beginning of comprehension of the Void’s Consciousness.

Once the yogi has established himself in the Void, he will discover its greatest property, Consciousness, also called the Universal Mind, for lack of better terms.

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Hatha Yoga Pradipika of Svatmarama — A Manual of Kriya Yoga, Shailendra Sharma

Hatha Yoga Pradipika of Svatmarama — A Manual of Kriya Yoga, Shailendra Sharma

attributed by source, provisional

When prana in the right and left nadis moves into the
middle nadi (Sushumna), that is the state of Khechari
Mudra without any doubt.
When the fire (of Shakti) is swallowed in the middle be -
tween Ida and Pingala, in that Shunya (of Sushumna),
Khechari Mudra is established. That is the truth.

Again, the mudra which is formed in the middle of the
sun (Pingala) and the moon (Ida), in unsupported space,
in Vyoma Chakra or in the center of the Void, is called
Khechari.
The stream flowing from the moon is dearest to Shiva.
The unique and divine Sushumna should be filled by this
stream from its ultimate opening.
The ultimate opening of Sushumna is experienced
when the subconscious mind is becoming conscious and
the light of Shiva is being experienced.
”

When Sushumna is completely filled from the other side
as well, then it is definitely Khechari. The practice of
Khechari Mudra gives the true experience of Unmani.
In the middle of the eyebrows is the place of Shiva, where
the mind merges. That state is known as Turiya or the
fourth state. There time is not experienced.

Khechari should be practiced until Yoga Nidra happens.
For the one who has attained Yoga Nidra, time becomes
non-existent.
Yoga Nidra is a very high state of awakened conscious-
ness which is achieved only by the great yogis.
Niralamba means “that which remains steady without
any support” . Having made the mind unsupported with-
out even a thought, indeed, one becomes like a pot, filled
inside and out with the Void.
When the yogi begins to experience the Void and re -
alizes that the Void is also conscious, his awakened con -
sciousness no longer needs any support to be.
”
”

When the external vayu merges into the middle, without
any doubt, prana and mind become still together in their
own places.
Verily by practicing day and night with vayu through the
way of vayu, vayu, along with mind, becomes absorbed
between day and night.

The complete body, from the soles of the feet to the head,
gets filled with the nectar. The one, who has perfected
this, attains a superior body, superior strength, and im -
mense valor – parakrama.
Putting your mind inside Shakti and Shakti inside your
mind, look inside your mind with your mind. That is the
supreme state.

Feeling your being inside the Void and the Void inside
your being and experiencing that everything is Void,
think of nothing else.
Inside is Void, outside is Void, like a pot in empty
space (with void inside and outside of it) . Inside is full,
outside is full, like a pot in the ocean (with water inside
and outside of it).

Without an external thought or even an internal thought,
leave aside all thoughts without even a single thought.
The whole world is just a thought. The whole world comes
into being just by thought and the play of the mind is
created by thought. By going beyond the mind, which is
made up of constructed thoughts, peace will definitely be
attained, O Rama.

As camphor dissolves in fire and salt in water, in Samadhi
the mind dissolves into the substance of everything –
tattva. The mind dissolves in its own essence.
Everything that can be known, that is already known, and
the knowledge are collectively called the mind. When the
knower and the known, both merge, there is no duality,
no other way.

Everything that is in this world, active or inactive, ani -
mated or unanimated, is an expression of the mind. When
the mind attains Unmani, no duality remains because the
self is experienced everywhere.
When all the known objects have been abandoned, the
mind goes into absorption (or it is merged) . When the
mind is merged, there is Kaivalya.
You are one and only, you are the whole creation, you
are everywhere, because you become one with the con -
sciousness of the Void.
”

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