Sound, vibration, nada and music

TO BE IN HARMONY WITH ORCHESTRA OF THE CREATION

“Laya” means journey?

Guruji: Merging.

Why is laya the base of Nada?

Guruji: O nly in Nada will you experience laya. When you’re doing music – and Nada is the base of all music – harmony is very important. So you will be in harmony with that orchestra of Creation: that is laya. Laya is like a harmony with the sound.

Is it like Shiva’s tandava?

Guruji: Tandava is bringing back harmony in the chaos of the Creation; pralaya – special harmony.

Guruji, how did this harmony, which was created in the beginning, become a chaos?

Guruji: Because of us. Of commercial enjoyment. As they say – we are destroying the planet: because of industrialization we’re creating pollution – and this and that. Whatever high pollution we create is because of commercial purposes. Not a single animal is doing anything for global warming: it happens because of the commerciality of humans. Progress – is always commercial progress.

But it must be the big display of powers: how could a caveman just like that very easily understand how to work with metals or even with fire?

Guruji: It is my theory – that maybe some immortal came and ignited fire 2-3 times in front of a caveman – and then they began to copy. Another immortal came – or maybe the same one – who created a wheel in front of the caveman 2-3 times and they began to copy. And it is impossible for me to think that a caveman was smart enough to distill the iron from the iron ore or gold from the gold ore – somebody demonstrated that, it's a very complicated process. Or they were smart enough to create such kinds of paints – so the caveman could draw on the wall of the cave- and the paintings are still as good as new. I think we cannot create such paints now. So – only somebody demonstrated that.

That immortal who demonstrated that – he knew all the consequences of that?

Guruji: They are just a drop of a seed – and then they watched how it would develop. They just give the direction – and we’re moving towards it. Remember: every culture, who progressed so much, disappeared - because they were mining too heavily from the planet. That worries me: because nowadays we’re mining more than ever. More than ever in the past.

Even in Mahabharata time?

Guruji: You see, now we’re living in concrete houses; then – no concrete houses were there. Concrete house means – too much iron was taken from the Earth, which may not be a good idea after some time. Earth certainly doesn’t like mining. Remember, every civilization, who progressed so much - usually it is commercial progress or something like empire – they all disappeared. But aborigines and villagers – they are still surviving. Not a single aborigine is mining or cultivating earth. They live off the land – hunting, like in wild nature.

But no commercial activity of aborigines – and they keep on surviving. We need to observe this and somehow take a middle path. Full knowledge, whatever we have accomplished, – and at the same time learn from the aborigines how we should survive. I said in one interview, how the future youth will look: he will wear the loincloths, working on his farm – but his cellphone and computer are under the tree. You have to create this balance if you want to survive for a long time.

TO KNOW THE NAME OF THE LORD

is it true that the process of thinking not affects the purity of the mind – no matter how much you will think?

Guruji: process of thinking is just reactionary behaviour to different thoughts from different sources: they will make your consciousness not so pure.

pujas, rituals, tapas and different ascetic practices are also not leading to that?

Guruji: they’re quoting Gita – no rituals, no pujas, nothing.

only by continuous reciting of the name of the Lord you will attain?

Guruji: but do you know the name of the Lord? It is impossible to pronounce it. But he is indicating towards the very great approach – the name of the Lord. When you cannot pronounce the name of your own spirit – Atma; then how can you directly pronounce the name of Paramatma?

are they different – the name of Atma and Paramatma?

Guruji: yes! We ‘re trying to simplify the very complicated mysteries too much.

If you want to see the lord – go to the House of Lords in England: you will see so many Lords there.

Guru Nanak and all his followers are teaching to recite the name of God – but no one gives the name?

Guruji: no. they were repeating what Guru Nanak was saying. You need to discover Lord in your heart first; if he’ll tell you his name – then you can go on reciting it.

On absolutely different point of view: if he is living in everybody’s heart - that means all names belongs to him. Find the name and start recite it – your own name.

do You know shlokas where Guru Nanak refers to yogis?

Guruji: he maybe mentioned Gorakhnath’s name once. But he was discussing absolutely different thing: he never supported yoga, but his own son, Chandr Ji, became the very famous yogi of his time. What he was preaching was for general masses, he was not teach so many mysterious things.

Yogananda was really great; he was trying to teach mlechchas. Hardcore Christians, Ku Klux Clan – we don’t know, how many Mormons and others were there. To make a place among them – it takes some struggle. this type of information is not so much available now.

and Guru Nanak – he was not a yogi?

Guruji: we don’t know that. Nobody knows. Just tell me one thing: his Guru is unknown, but his son became a very famous yogi, who was looking like 25 years old when he was 40. That means – something was there. But he didn’t reveal it: for general people he just gave some points to live good and pious way of life. They were greatest of siddhas; Swami Haridas from Vrindavan – he learnt music, singing from the disciple of Guru Nanak,Mardana: he had only two disciples – Bala and Mardana. You can imagine, how the spiritual singing they were doing.

bhajans?

Guruji: no bhajans, classical singing! We can imagine how Guru Nanak himself must be singing.

what language they were singing?

Guruji: usually Hindi and Punjabi. And Swami Haridas two disciples are legends: one is Tansen, another – Baijubawara. They are legends! Who could bring water simply by singing, who would light lamps simply by singing – they were great singers! We don’t hear that kind of music anymore. Nowadays people have power: when they start singing – the audience disappears( smiling).

PHISICAL, ASTRAL AND CAUSAL WORLD

to summarize our discussion about spirit…?

Guruji: it is just a life provider.

he doesn’t care whether to leave the body or not?

Guruji: if he start to care – he will not leave the body. Read Gorakhbodh! It is the main task – to keep her interested in your life, so she will not leave and give us some more time.

until that spirit will just wait?

Guruji: just time frame, sentence of time.

so actually what drives our body, our deeds and actions is a supreme mind?

Guruji: no, 2% mind.

Most of our decisions are the reactions to the situations.

we should make the decisions – but who is “me” there?

Guruji: that is your mind’s intellectual perception of yourself.

what do You think on ancient technic of sthayavada: when someone is saying loudly his intentions and speak about his deeds, feelings and thoughts and then gods fulfill his desires because he said the truth?

Guruji: not only gods will fulfill it; thought is the formless thing. With your imagination you give it a certain image. Then you express it with a voice – so it becomes more precise and conscious. And it will gather its own force and maybe that will come to pass. If it will remain in your mind – it will not come into reality till you say it. So – physical world, astral world and the causal world: these are three things.

here the causal body is…?

Guruji: formless thought. Some, who appear from the void. Then your creative imagination creates a certain image to that thought. And when you use a certain sound like voice or some word – it takes a proper form and become conscious thought: then it will work.

when you say it – it’s like astral world?

Guruji: when you say it – it comes into physical world. When you’re just imagining it and giving it image – that is astral; and a formless thought is causal, cause of that thing.

now a very little understanding about causal world come

Guruji: when you’re asking the question – I’m waiting for the right example: it came.

When I’m saying something loud – I’m using the air from my lungs; when I’m releasing that air it is supercharged with my thoughts and the particular vibration of the voice and all my intentions and thoughts and experience are expressed with it. So that air, which is going, will spread; and we are all breathing so some molecules of that breath will enter everybody and will tack their mind in some way – they’ll keep remembering what I say and one day they will be also able to understand it.

like in Gorakhbodh it is said about words of Guru triggering the mind of disciple?

Guruji: yes, now you know the mechanism. In hindi we say when we say something – unhono kya bat kai; but “vat” means air – so once you have said something the air is carrying that particular sound released from your mouth – it will never come back. But it will spread all over and whoever will breathe that particular molecule will be affected by that.

dhananjaya is in singing and roaring?

Guruji: they are in your skull. Only with your skull you’re able to sing, otherwise the voice will not come out of it. Dhananjaya vayu lives in the skull. Skull is the root for singing; until unless there is a cavity inside the skull, which we called mouth and throat, - no singing is possible. Singing is directly connected with the element akash. What is singing? The basic definition of singing, in my opinion is: to be able to listen the silence between the notes. In different ways. That is what singing or music is for. Between the different notes the silence is feel different. That way you become more aware of the void, of the empty space and silence.

in the beginning was the word?

Guruji: also hindus say Shiva woke up from Samadhi and start to play on damaru – that was the word from that creation begin. Another chapter begins. The sound was “OM” and every language, every sound came from it.

you told us that spirits are coming from different sources – is it connected with that type of kutastha that souls see in practice?

Guruji: kutastha is the form of the pure spirit. Pure spirit is same. It only keep taking different forms.

so you couldn’t see something different?

Guruji: you may see something different inside that.

In old testament it is said about single eye and a body full of light – it can be description of kutastha.

how the letters are connected with Naad sound?

Guruji: they are regency as the beginning of Naad. Naad condensed and the creation begins; all 8.4 million different species were created with that.

what happens in between: when yogi realises that he could hear the Naad sound, then he realised some tones – higher or lower; but what in between when he will perceive the elements? Or notes of the elements?

Guruji: no, first he will remain merged into bigger sound. When he will become comfortable with that- and it will take many years – then different types of sounds he will begin to perceive. Again – many-many years.

but the sequence is connected with the elements? So first earth, then water, then air?

Guruji: you see, the elements are also vibrations – and they are vibrating inside us as well as outside us. So the more you’re in tune with those certain vibrations or sounds – then you will begin to recognize them separately.

but as I understand, the first element with which yogin will be connected – will be vayu?

Guruji: akash: sound is the property of akash. Vayu carries the smell.

is it possible to create the fire directly by the sound?

Guruji: everything is possible! We have witnessed certain knowing people: they chant one mantra – and fire comes.

it’s like Agneyastra?

Guruji: Agneyastra is much bigger thing – but they can ignite fire. Just by “words”. Words – means vibration.

There was a classical singing program in Vrindavan; and one great classical singer said: I will sing Malhar Raag and it will rain. He sang it – and it rained. It is India! And the most famous cases of Tansen – one of the main disciples of Swami Haridas from Vrindavan, he was one of the nine jewels, Navratnas – greatest of Akbar’s court. He was requested to sing Deepak Rag: so all the lamps will just lit up simply by singing. He says: my system will burn up, what will happen then? But everybody insisting. He sang Deepak Raag – and every lamp was just waiting, they simply lit up by singing that Raag. The system became so hot; then his daughter sang Malhar Raag – and it rained and the system cooled down.

That is historically recorded! Tansen – the great: Akbar gave him the title “Mian” – that is highly respected. And his samadhi is in Gwalior. His Guru was Swami Haridas from Vrindavan. Great devotee and great singer.

It is said that Akbar asked Tansen: that if your singing is so divine – so how about your Guru? Tansen said: I’m nowhere in front of him. Akbar requested: I would love to listen to him. He said: be very careful; he is singing only to please Krishna – he doesn’t sing for human beings. Then Akbar insisted: he came without his crown, dressed up as a very ordinary person, barefooted, with Tansen; - his Guru was there. Tansen just started to singand he added slight wrong raaga; and Guru said – no, no, sing like this – and he began to sing. He was so immersed in it -everybody was listening to Gopal Mountain; and by mistake Akbar said – wah, wah! – and he stopped immediately and asked: who are you? Then he was told – Shahenshah Akbar; - never do it again! And he simply went. He was great devotee.

Sometimes I feel extremely fortunate that we are living and reading in the almost same area they used to sing: so the impact must be there, even today. And: Tansen was from Gwalior- I am also from Gwalior.

His name was Baju Bawra; there was a sort of competitive singing between Tansen and Baju Bawra – and finally the competition was held in Akbar’s court.

The thing was: by their singing they need to melt a stone. So, Tansen was singing, Baju Bawra was singing; and “Baju Bawra” means “mad or very happy person”; Tansen could see, that he cannot sing like him: he broke one cord of his sitar. And Baju Bawra was already high in his raag, so he continuous sing- and the stone melted. This is historically recorded event.

This thing proves, that vibration carries the great power. First you start to hear it; but finally you will able to manipulate it and create things – and go beyond that.

so we need to concentrate on the higher sound?

Guruji: first time on the higher, then on the lower, - and in between as well. There are many-many varieties.

how they got such special voice?

Guruji: I will say – that is god’s gift and Guru’s grace. Only two disciples of Swami Haridas were legendary: Tansen and Baju Bawra. Baju Bawra was used to teach one of his ranis singing; she was creating one raag: Gujri Todi; she was a disciple of Baju Bawra.

Can you imagine the stone melted in the court? And the lit of all lamps by Tansen? And in Vrindavan he said: it will rain – I will sing the Malhar raag; and it rain! And it was not rainy season.

and heart also melts with the music…

Guruji: because god lives in the heart, Ishwar lives in the heart, so when your heart is melting with music makes Ishwar loves music. And maybe dancing also. That’s why one of the names of Shiva is Dancer, Nataraj.

Two legendary actors were acting in it: the movie’s name was “Sadhu and Shaitan” – I like this movie; especially the end. Kishor Kumar is a great singer; he see that the hero of the movie is in love with his sister; he is asking: aaa? And the hero answered – mmm. And the marriage took place. This is classic scene of these two legends- I’m the fan of them.

amazing that beyond the carbon there are no vibration?

Guruji: maybe the vibration which we’re not aware of – very different things all together.

there was the method how Matsyendranath’s and Gorakhnath’s mantras come into be?

Guruji: they were masters of the nada – they could create any vibration on their own also; or to separate the certain vibration and make it stand out. They are great people.

they are like a great musician, composers – to create any music from the notes?

Guruji: also great psychic can actually see the musical notes. That’s how the musical language came into be.

WHISTLE OF NATHS

That whistle – which is supposed to produce Nada sound and Naths carried – is it a recent thing?

Guruji: No, it is very ancient: sangi – they blow it in the time of puja. It’s singing itself. Now the horns were changed to whistles.

This mantra is practiced to get the exact vibration of this particular sound: that will connect you with the particular power of the particular god.

NADA PART 2 BIJA MANTRAS

what about bija mantras of chakras?

Guruji: they are basic vibrations of the elements. See, how that confusion start: those great minds, the yogis or Shiva, when they begin to recognize different elements and they go in details of particular vibration; and every vibration carries particular sound. So when they try to explain it to someone – they try to produce the similar sound. Now we take them as bija mantras, some people are chanting them, the elemental thing is come into being. But it’s much deeper thing than chanting. You need to be in tune: that’s why practice of nada becomes extremely important. If you will not become aware of the basic sound of creation – you cannot go into different delicate directions of that particular sound; that will take you even more longer time; - to recognize exactly that particular note, which something is representing or vibrating on that particular note. It’s a very deep thing.

how for example LAM is connected with four letters on the petals of muladhar?

Guruji: you see, that’s the point: LAM sound was the basic vibrating note of the earth element. These four letters are sub-vibrations of the earth element. The basic sound is LAM, as we read in books, and with four letters – when you will be able to pronounce these five together – then you will begin to recognize the earth element. They had to write it like this: nobody suddenly can pronounce them together. Same thing with each element; and that’s why different petals on different chakras – five lower chakras – as they call nowadays “lower” chakras, but there is no lower and higher. They represent particular vibration of that particular element – that’s why some of four petals, some 8, 12, 16 – like that. If you’re able to pronounce all these things together – then you will maybe in tune with that particular element. So you need highly developed mind, extremely sensitive mind – so you be able to decipher the particular notes of different vibrations and connect them with particular thing. We’re going towards them, working on it. But not imagine of pronouncing that: I’m talking about becoming aware of the nada and becoming aware of that particular note of that particular element – all together. If you will pronounce – you will continue to pronounce without any effect.

First awareness of the sound nada will come. then if you continue to go deeper and deeper into it – you will begin to appreciate different types of notes which it is carrying as a whole. Let’s take earth element because it has only four different levels and one seed mantra as we quote. These five sounds, if you’re able to pronounce it together, that particular note; then you begin to understand more and you begin to see different four vibrations or notes. When the nada is you experiencing in general – doesn’t mean you know it ultimately; the study of nada of many different scales will remain, that will take time. Then you will become aware of different elemental sounds – of all creation different vibrations you will begin to see. That’s how it will happen.

NADA PART 3 OM

for what aim are described four types of nada?

Guruji: these are initial thigs. Whatever we read in books – they are just introducing you to something very deep. That is not the end – it’s just few first steps on the way. How you will describe ocean? Water. waves, sound – but this is not enough. The more you will go deep into the ocean – the more you will become aware of the things it is carrying inside. Even so many streams are flowing, so many things are coming from it – so much things is there, but from the surface what you will see? Waves breaking, big water flows. That’s how.

This is just one of bifurcations of the basic sounds, particular recognition of it. We create it as we like. General sound is there. And remember also, just for the sake of discussion: human ears are not sufficient to hear sounds which are all around us. Our hearing is very limited. That is good: otherwise the system will burst. Any sound – music or otherwise – is just part of the big OM.

why we’re remembering OM in every chakra instead of bija mantras of elements?

Guruji: because it is not needed: OM is a basic seed of all seeds. Again – when you say OM it’s just a hint towards OM. I’ve never seen anyone pronouncing it so far. But when the nada will begin – you will begin to recognize. That is just a symbol of the greater thing. Why these signs are appearing in my body – I have no idea. It’s a peculiar thing. I think we should think more in it because we never had enough research.

every vibration has their own sound?

Guruji: and an individual shape as well.

like square or triangle?

Guruji: it can take any shape. Depends on the vibration.

can they have own color?

Guruji: it’s very much possible. But then it must be very different because what we say “color” - it’s just a different variations of sunlight. These things are beyond sunlight – it’s something else; maybe the color they’re trying to describe is beyond our understanding – it may not be limited with these 7 things or rays of light. They maybe absolutely different.

but if we could see the shape – it must be also limited by the light?

Guruji: no, vibration has its own shape which is not limited by light. There is a certain note, certain resonance – it will give the very individual shape. I think that is from nirakar to sakar, from formless to form.

if it’s combination of sounds?

Guruji: the very different shape will come. we all have vibration and we all have individual shape. Me, you – all has individual shape and we have the vibration also – 99,9 is empty space, that vibration.

if we take muladhara for example: square shape is LAM?

Guruji: square shape is earth element: LAM and four sounds combinely tells us that this is earth element. The symbol of earth element is square – but Earth is round – debate continues.

Q: how the geometry originated from those?

Guruji: because if the sound is there and vibration is there – it has individual particular shape also. Every vibration will have an exact shape. Individualized personality – personal shape. It may be round shape, or triangular or square one – it will depend on vibratory system.

Q: they are notes of the vibration?

Guruji: yes, exactly. When somebody are trying to explain the very finer notes and the sounds – they may have to write them down somehow, they may have rough sketch of it. Then other sketch, which is more prominent, and original thought went to that ground. That is fine – but indications are there.

Q: You’re keep telling to your westerner students – study hindi, study alphabet

Guruji: yes, because alphabet is connected with that particular vibration, and every vibration carries the particular sound. I think it has been experimented: if you create vibration – they take particular shapes. Physics approves that also.

Q: that is unbelievable: as I started to learn hindi – they make you to pronounce all that nasal sounds – like vam, yam

Guruji: it hits your mind in a different way

In Gorakh Bodh , I see that the sound of nada comes from vibration of bindu. Then the sound of nada gives birth to the Matter. Somewhere in Gorakh Bodh it is said that the sound of nada comes from Omkar. What is omkar? Maybe omkar is the realm of the Void? Because bindu is the seed of time in womb of the void or is it something else?

A: Actually Nada and Om are one and the same thing. When we elaborate and try to explain what is Om, then the discussion of Nada comes naturally. And you remember how the Om is written? There is a bindu and a crescent moon. So they say: from the Bindu the Nada emanates, the crescent moon sign is open up and then this “u” is a condensed matter, so nada starts in a very fine way, then it becomes gross and condenses itself into matter. So this is the journey of them. And science also says that everything is vibration, eastern theory and also many things they have discovered. wherever there is a vibration there is a sound, wherever there is a sound there is a vibration. So the whole creation is actually vibrating on a certain scale. So that is the play of the Nada

GREAT

RECORD OF 52 BJAMANTRA FROM GURUJI

When I

discussed with my disciples about different seed mantras of petals of different

chakras – every chakra is representing different element. We have already

discussed that they are special vibrations of the OM sound in general, which

they deciphered and separated.

Idea came

to me: why not record all the seed mantras separately and then put them together?

Like muladhar – 5 things, in swadhisthana – 7 things and so on. After the

recording was done we put together all 52 of them and that nadabrahma sound

came. If you will keep listening to it – it will create extremely positive

vibration, even it will go down into element level and will create

superharmony.

Whatever

there chaos might be – it will harmonize it and your mind will become very

concentrated and very calm and quiet and it will put you in tune with the

Nature herself. It was just out of the blue idea and I think it is working.

maybe people can do exercises or some asanas?

Guruji: you just keep it on in the

background and just forget about it. The vibration slowly- slowly will

spread and affect your thoughts and mind and vibrations in extremely positive

and creative way. Only positive thinking is not enough – the creative thinking

should be together. And it is doing it.

37. GAINING CONTROL UPON ELEMENTS, KNOWING EACH ELEMENT SEPARATELY

is it about five elements and their proportion in our body?

Guruji: it is about 5 elements.

how to make them equal in proportion in our body?

Guruji: that will take the very long time; when the proportion will be equal – you will be immortal.

is it connected somehow with the levels of Kriya – to balance the 5 elements?

Guruji: no. Kriya yoga will develop your mind to that level that you will begin to understand how the elements are working and existing; then your mind will be powerful enough to create a balance in them. Kriya yoga will develop your mind to a superlevel and then you’re free to use that superlevel in your own way. Main thing: if you will not realise the 5 elements inside your body, which is a combination of these 5 elements – how you will realise them outside the body? So first extract them outside.

could bija mantras which are on the petals of chakras affect the 5 elements?

Guruji: it may introduce you to them; and remember: these mantras are the particular sound vibrations. We were discussing it in details in “Upanishad of immortality”. Every mantra is a particular sound vibration. All languages are just the sounds.

if someone will decide to concentrate on bija mantras on the petals of chakras, what will happen?

Guruji: instead of repeating them I will suggest you: first you invoke Naad, evolve to that level, and then decipher that particular vibration which is already resonating and then apply it inside your body, take it; instead of reciting them- that will not do much. It will create another illusion. This is distortion of the truth, which creates illusion: bija mantra – we say, it’s a mantra; but mantra means a secret mystery! They have codified the particular sound vibrations from Naad; but we take it as mantra and just start to repeat it and nothing happens. First you need to understand Naad, then you should be able to go deeper into it, to reach that particular vibration, which is representing the particular element: then something will happen.

could bija mantras be unzipped like a file?

Guruji: no, you need to access the Naad first, to reach that particular vibration: they are just invitation, which are written.

Why we love music? Now I will tell you the yogic point of view: the beauty of any music is because it allows you to listen to the silence in between notes. Every time music stops in one note – the silence is different. We just have to appreciate the silence between notes – that is the beauty of music. We become aware of the silence. Every good music will make you aware of this particular silence, and silence is different as you will feel it. Different music – different sounds; silence is changing. Gandharvas were specially create for music, celestial music.

It is possible to change the mood of the public with the certain type of music. There was some experiments in the times of second world war: they were using some very high frequency sounds otherwise were not audible – but it will change the mood of people, who were under influence of it and they will become very aggressive and fight without fear. Sound is very powerful thing. Every living being will respond, even stone will respond.

it exist some kind of true silence or true darkness?

Guruji: you need to become aware of the silence, you can not choose it. When you will discover the inner silence – no matter if atomic bombs will blast around you, you will continuously feel the silence.

we can somehow train to observe it?

Guruji: you already practicing yoga and one day you will discover that. It’s part of the process.

what do You think – it could be angels playing celestial music around us?

Guruji: how You know – maybe there are devils playing around? You can never see angel smiling, but devils have always smile: that means they are playing music and enjoying. Angels are in heaven – devil lives in the center of the Earth. Observing and experiencing is two different things.

how we can protect ourselves from such experiments with the sound?

Guruji: no way. Just face it and be strong. Body of Shiva is made with nada. it’s made from sound which he created Himself. Sound will take you very high.

You have to be very careful in meditating. One day it can become true and will start the different chain reaction. You meditate it after some time. Be careful. You want to be enlighten?

yes

Guruji: you have my best wishes

Q: "Have you heard Kishori Amonkar’s Meera bhajans, for example, "Mharo Pranam"? Aren’t they beautiful?"

Guruji: "Yes, they are amazing. They were also divine people. Not the singers; they are just repeating what has been left behind, but the original people were wonderful! Just imagine the feeling Meera Bai must have had when she sung those songs, when even today, after centuries have passed, when we hear those songs they are able to evoke such strong emotions inside us. Have you heard the poetry of Neeraj? "Karwaan guzar gaya, gubaar dekhate rahe" (the caravan had passed, we caught only the dust). Rafi has also sung this song, but he could never produce the same effect as when Neeraj used to recite it, even though Rafi was a great singer in his own right. Similarly, Harivansh Rai Bachchan was a great hit when he recited Madhushala on stage. Manna Dey has also sung those poems now but it doesn’t create the same magic.

"Now keeping these examples in mind, try to imagine the sensation in the atmosphere when Meera Bai, Tulsidas, etc, used to sing their compositions. And that kind of ambiance was created because they were sung with the actual true feelings of the composers themselves, and were not just plain recreations of the originals. People used to get lost and overwhelmed! These days people have become millionaires by cashing on their compositions, but the true were those who lived centuries ago. They were truly exemplary."