Meetings with immortals and the signs of them

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What is destiny? This is an expression of life! By the life, for the life! Remember that!

BE CAREFUL WITH A YOGI

When Patashurama was directed by Samwart risi to go to the Dattatreya, He told him this.

That a King, a Yogi, water and fire, have the same nature, and you have to remain very careful. Otherwise your life is gone.

In one instance.

Fire goes out control - you are no more. Water goes out of control - you are no more. A king is irritated with you off with his head. And if you are somehow irritated a Yogi - nature will take care of You.

So remain careful with this four.

GURUJI'S MEETING WITH MATSYENDRANATH

When I was seeing Matsyendranath face to face in Mahur Gadh, in that very small room, I try to bow down in front of Him. He stopped me. Patting on my head, and simply said so sweetly:

all Yogi are equal or same!

And then He gestured me to sit down. He sat down on the floor. And the conversation begin.

But He called me a Yogi! First time somebody call me a Yogi! That is amazing … whatever you take it. As a certification, confirmation or what. Nobody has called me before a Yogi. Not even Ganganath.

When He told me about kundals, He simply showed His own kundals, gesturing like this. Look at this, and you also have kundals

made like this, with rhinoceros horn. That was it.

In one sentence he finished it

What can we possibly discuss with them?

Guruji: By asking a question you’ll be demonstrating only your foolishness; wise thing will be to wait for them to talk first – and then let this conversation develop, seeing in which direction it’ll go. I didn’t know what will happen – so I did that automatically when I’ve met Babaji, it was my good luck.

Did you receive a lot of information from this conversation?

Guruji: I was fortunate. But sometimes it worries me also. I’ve seen six. Billions of people die without seeing even one.

7 is a magic number – let’s wait for one more?

Guruji: Let’s count immortals: Babaji; this man, who came with him (he may be a very long-lived person so we can count him) then three Naths, who came to see me -5; 6 th – Matsyendranath with those 2 ladies, so it’s already more than 7.

Then Ashwatthaman.

I spoke about meeting Matsyendranath with these two ladies with Matsyendranath – and people were listening; then we found out that there is a temple on the hill in Maharashtra; two temples, dedicated to Gorakhnath and Matsyendranath.

Matsyendranath temple has 2 female statues, standing behind his murti. But their identity remain unknown. Nowhere it is mentioned, who they are – but the temple is there.

Maybe priest of the temple knows?

Guruji: no, they don’t know, who they are. Hypothetically they are saying – they maybe his Shaktis or Siddhis – something like that, but they don’t know exactly.

DEVOTEE OF LORD HANUMAN

In 1985, near Gwalior there where a big Shani temple is – Shanishcharaya. They say that Hanuman Ji rescued Shanidev from Ceylon and sent him near Gwalior: so there is a temple, a very mystical place. And before that, on a very high hill top, there is very small fort-like construction and Baba Lochan das used to do tapas there. He was a soldier in the senior army – Gwalior king’s army and he was a great devotee of Lord Hanuman.

One day he was so immersed in whatever he was doing for Hanuman Ji: he forgot to go to guard duty, and the king was to come there for inspection. When he came to senses and ran there – he found that the signatures were on the register and everybody said – yes, you were there and the king was very pleased with your duty. But he said: I was not here, I was there. This story became very widespread and the king was very impressed; so they created a big thing for him to do tapas there.

Me and 3-4 of my disciples in Gwalior decided to go there. That is a fantastic place. We climbed the hill, and there was that structure – maybe 4 times bigger than this house. There was a small temple of Shakti and there was one sadhu there in white clothes: his name was Ragha Baba and he was 95 at the time. He gave us lunch; and there was a breath-taking view: there was a big square stone of 5-6 feet there that Baba Lochan das used to sit and look: you will just see 20-30 kilometres it was such a view! Then we came back.

Recently one of my disciples, Sohan Singh Yadav – he is in this place: he gave me a visit last year. I asked – where are you hosted? – he said: near Shanishcharaya. Then that Baba came to my mind; I said: I went there in 1985 – Ragha Baba was there, he gave us lunch; how is he, what happened to him? He said: he’s still alive, 130 plus – and looking absolutely the same. Now they are calling him Parvatvali Baba.

It was too extraordinary: the man was 95 years old, we saw him wayback in 1985 – and he was still alive. He died this year. He was 130 plus. And I think: there was a well in front of that building on a hilltop and the water was a sort of oily water. Only that well was there; we also drank it and he may also have drank it all his life. Maybe the water was carrying. And I also noticed that mostly Hanuman Ji worshippers – they live long. There was another ashram with such a devotee: he died at 110. But Ragha Baba died at 130 plus.

Our mythology is full of it. But western mythology, bible, koran – they don’t give such long life spans or so big tapas. There is no synonym also for this word – tapas.

…very thin, 45 kilos – not even 50 kilos; and he was sitting quietly, lost in himself; not talking much. But he talked sweetly. And Mahatma Gandhi likes specs. Even then for 95 he was good. His mental state was different.

COMMUNICATING WITH THE IMMORTAL YOU FEEL ONLY FEAR!

so many people claims that they were met Babaji and talked with him like we are talking; but You said that it was the real outstanding experience – and mostly he was talking?

Guruji: you’re not brave enough to ask him anything. It was one way communication. And in Benares I had I diary with me – usually old diary – he made me write in it: write down, you may forget! And that 57th birthday thing – I was remembering it almost every day, because it’s a technical program; but started to practice it at the birthday 57. You cannot dare to ask such a higher being only fear you experience. And exhilaration comes when you’re telling the stories after you came home- till then you’re shaking with fear. Second time he came after 7 years. Now it is 26 years gone.

it must be specified for a certain reason

Guruji: it is impossible for us to even imagine how immortal person must be thinking and what are his motive. I’ve been wrecking my brains just to have some idea; why? – no answer to that why. But I consider myself blessed and very lucky: it was like winning lottery.

You see, when we read Yogananda’s book – the first thought comes to the mind: maybe some day Babaji we will see face to face. And when you’re beginning to practice Kriya yoga – this thing is always in the back of your mind: maybe I’ll see Babaji one day – but he rarely appears. I was lucky. Like it’s our lineage and as a disciple it’s our duty to honour his wishes: if he doesn’t want to reveal his identity – we should respect it. Such a personality will not do anything without very big reason.

SIGNS OF DEVATAS AND IMMORTALS

Q : what do You think about signs of devatas: when someone meet devata – he’s not blinking, his feet is not touching the ground, he’s not sweating and has no shadow; so these signs are for immortals also?

Guruji : only for devatas. But sometimes immortals don’t cast shadows.

Q : but they are touching the ground, blinking….?

Guruji : we don’t know exactly: looks like they’re touching the ground – maybe they just touch. And they don’t leave the footmarks.

Q : their weight is different?

Guruji : they look normal - but they definitely are not normal; they have no shadow and no footprints – that means their body is extremely light. Like it is said in Yoga Sutras about controlling udana.

Q : what do You think – it’s a real body?

Guruji : it’s super transformed body. These two things I can say: no shadow and no footprints. Because when Matsyendranath came, I was sitting on the floor which were dusty; and I left all my marks there – but when he came – nothing. Now I remember. So they become extremely light.

Q : are they eating food?

Guruji : probably – but I’ve never seen them eating.

Q : so it could be the electrical body, but looking like normal?

Guruji : it’s transformed human body. What they eat – no idea.

Q : some people claims – they only breathe for nutrition?

Guruji : it is also possible, yes.

Q : does immortals breathe?

Guruji : I don’t remember seeing them breathing. But because they were talking – maybe some air was there.

Q : they talk telepathically or verbally?

Guruji : they can talk in any possibility, but with me they talked verbally like we’re talking.

is it possible for a normal man to recognise - is it realised yogi practicing samadhi or is it immortal?

Guruji: normal man will understand not much in these matters until unless he has taken enough trouble to do some deeper research and do some deeper practices. Only then his vision will be developing and it will become more clear so he will able to understand what he is actually seeing. Suddenly you cannot know these things.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU:

have You seen their aura?

Guruji: aura was golden. And there was no reaction to the cold: that was another extraordinary thing.

and they were not smoking cannabis?

Guruji: no. The smell of cannabis all Indians recognize.

then the question rises: how do the immortals smell?

Guruji: no smell. At least I don’t remember any smell.

sometimes in Puranas it is depicted that devatas or gods are appearing with a certain smell — jasmine, for example?

Guruji: no, they are devatas; jasmine is connected with Hanuman Ji. But I don’t remember any smell. There was no strong smell in their hut, which I remember now. When you’re going through some adventure, you’re not paying attention to so many details.

In November, when cold wind is blowing, everybody was near the heater; only I came out because I was recovering from samadhi to see the sunset; then they came. It was great fortune that I was able to meet them and talk with them; they inspired me: I studied a lot after that. I went through almost every book on Ayurveda. If some people saw it — they would spend all their life telling the stories; I’ve seen — and I read all Ayurveda after that.

that first meeting with the sadhu-alchemist in Puri didn’t push You to study Ayurveda?

Guruji: no, only after meeting those Naga babas. And all books came to me.

They were not so talkative; but they were happy to see me. They were also eating potatoes: every day when I was coming there they offered me two boiled potatoes with salt and chai. That was the best treat.

they were also drinking chai?

Guruji: in fact, quite a lot of it!

Mutual respect was there: they never treated me like a boy.

what can You say about their approximate age?

Guruji: their hairs were dark; I will put them in their middle thirties — no more than that. They were Nagas: I can say that all body hairs were black.

TO THE BABAJI’S TEAM

when you meet Babaji – have you any sense that Babaji have some group of disciples? What do You think, whom Babaji choose in Kriya?

Guruji: I saw Babaji in Govardhan in 21 st of December 1995. There was one man with him; maybe I was too focused on Babaji – I don’t remember his face, but I just remember he was very slim; Babaji was sitting on the bed – and he was sitting on his lap side on the ground. We have read that Babaji has a group since the times of Lahiri Mahasaya. I have the firm belief that most of the names, yogasiddhas from the list in Hatha Yoga Pradipika belongs to His group. More than that nobody knows. He never told about his parents, names or where He was born – nothing. I know exactly – when Lahiri Mahasaya saw him: he left that cave on Diwali day 1895. Since then were he established – nobody knows. He can keep moving around or he might be living in one place – no idea. He is immortal – he have enough time to wait.

have You an idea – will He choose someone in his team?

Guruji: how can I decide that? How immortal person, who is living centuries, thousands of years, - how his mind is working, what are the motives, what is his lifestyle – for us I don’t think it’s possible even to imagine or to form some idea what he might be doing.

maybe You can guess how much people are in his group – several hundreds, thousands…?

Guruji: not in thousands. All in the group are immortals – I don’t think there are so many immortals around the world. He was never appeared openly with whole group. When I saw him first time in Benares – he came alone. Then, after 7 years – there was one man with him. and who would not love to be the part of that group? Every ambitious yogi would love that. Only problem is – only Babaji will decide.

When you’re facing such a great personality – you should not ask idiotic questions. They will tell you if they decide – better to keep quiet. You’re so nervous and frightened so you even have no words to ask him.

Here even grassroots level villagers knows about immortals – they hear, such beings are exist; they know about the sadhus can live for centuries – it’s grassroots knowledge.

only yogis want to be immortal? For common people it’s like punishment?

Guruji: that’s why they are not seeking immortality. You should have the reason to live that long. No reason – what you will do? Only after becoming immortal you can finally relax, sit down and think something. Till then – it’s always some problem facing you or running after you, you cannot think proper.