Kundalini awakening: the first and second

RISING KUNDALINI

again about rising of Kundalini: is it possible the situation that for example Kundalini will rise only for two chakras and for three chakras?

Guruji: no. if it will rise – it will rise all the way.

so if someone says that he has the rising of Kundalini up to manipura?

Guruji: ok, wish him luck. All ten mudras are taught especially to awaken the Kundalini: this is what Hatha Yoga Pradipika tells us.

in some texts they describe that Kundalini rises up to third or fourth chakra and then person will experience this or that effect; and after that it rises more and the person has different experience; maybe it’s about apana rising or something else?

Guruji: whatever – but this person had some experiences. When your stomach is grumbling – it’s not atomic blast taking place inside.

what else except Kundalini could rise by the spinal cord?

Guruji: your whole life and your whole condition, your working of the body depends on your spinal cord.

when I received the practice of mahamudra – it was the very different feeling, like tinkling in all body?

Guruji: this is impact of the practice. When your Kundalini rise – you will be an immortal then. That’s the result.

maybe some other type of energy?

Guruji: of course, body is full of them! Or maybe your spinal cord is finally happy: that finally he is using something.

what about that confusion: someone was saying that Kundalini could rise not only by sushumna – but by ida also?

Guruji: that was written by Gopinath; but again, if we go by standard of awakening of Kundalini: the person will become very young looking and he will live for thousands of years. If these symptoms are not visible – then I will have my doubt, because we cannot simply lower the standard of it: these things are written in many ancient books.

but is it possible that something goes wrong and it rises not in sushumna but in ida?

Guruji: impossible! Maybe another imagination. With some practices the power of visualization becomes far superior; but we’re after results of awaken Kundalini, which are described in many old books. Which I have not seen.

it could rise only once?

Guruji: once is enough. Don’t even imagine that after awakening it will go back again to muladhar: that will spoil everything. One time!

so technically it’s not possible?

Guruji: no. it may go to sleep in the brain before the second awakening.

FIRST STEP

the rise of Kundalini is extremely rare – maybe once in the thousand years someone can achieve it?

Guruji: successfully; he will leave the mark on humanity- such a person.

what kind of mark?

Guruji: he will be remembered in history.

like or yogi – or like a saint?

Guruji: mostly like extraordinary person.

the achieving of the first step of samadhi – with suspended animation – is easier?

Guruji: comparatively easier – but very difficult.

but if we compare – how much persons achieved this state?

Guruji: (laughing) extremely rare. 10 or 12 in the whole history will be very optimistic number. Not even 1 in the 100 years. Even this first step is very difficult to achieve.

but it exists big number of people, who achieved the first step and didn’t achieve the second awakening?

Guruji: no. that means you were already the first major step towards it. It’s all about Brahma granthi bhed – the suspended animation. Maybe the number will grow now.

why so? Because the population grows?

Guruji: because the general swing of the development of the consciousness of humanity is going more; maybe that’s why Babaji introduced Kriya yoga. So whoever will go beyond the commercial greed – the real practice will come and they will begin to achieve. We’re hoping for that.

why commercial greed is considered as main obstacle for development?

Guruji: in Gita it is said: a business-like intellect will never achieve samadhi. Because the motive is different. He will not work hard.

TRANSFORMATION, THE NEXT STEP AFTER AWAKENING

when Kundalini is rising – it goes to agya chakra then somehow goes between the eyebrows where our feeling “I am” exists; then that power of Kundalini takes that feeling “I am” and then also reflects it into sahasrara chakra?

Guruji: I will remind you here that this portion( space above the eyebrows) is a part of sahasrara chakra.

could we with the power of Kundalini connect the feeling that “I am” with our subconsciousness?

Guruji: that’s the point: now your feeling of “I” is highly 2% of the complete brain; when you wake up your subconscious mind – then it become “yes, I am” 100%. Kundalini triggers or switches on this.

Kundalini triggers the awakening of subconsciousness?

Guruji: of course: the second awakening.

after the second awakening our body is prepared that all tremendous power?

Guruji: why piercing of the chakras and awakening of Kundalini is so important? Look at the brain and the spinal cord: that looks like a giant sperm. When the sperm is uniting with ova, and ova takes over – it’s inert then. and it remains inert; so to activate it again you trigger it by awakening of Kundalini and that inert sperm, which is your brain and spinal cord, is ready to form another union. That union is the biggest ova of all times: Mother Earth herself. After you will form this union – you will be established in sattva guna, not earlier.

That is a big concept – but it is good. I’m the only person who is telling what happen after your Kundalini is awaken. Everybody else go silent. This is the next step of awakening of Kundalini: transformation.

he did prana karma when all his breathing stopped and breathing was entered sushumna – only then you can reach that state. He said it’s euphoria or bliss, which is coming in this state; and it couldn’t be obtained by any other method – only by this practice? And he said that after this experience he realised or understand prana.

Guruji: when his sushumna opened and prana entered it: sobrahma realized about his mind and a power of it. Brahma and mind and synonyms from yogic point of view.

could we say that it’s final Brahma granthi bhed?

Guruji: no, it is much advance.

but You never told us that You have euphoria all bliss in your experiences?

Guruji: I’m always in euphoria. You’re also feeling it – that high feeling; he was using the word “nashaugat” – intoxicating; we’re experiencing it. We are all experiencing it.

how we can call this state according to Kriya yoga practice?

Guruji: it is part of Hridaya granthi bhed. Only then sushumnawill open and prana will start to go in.

AWAKENING THE KUNDALINI

what books – except Yours of course – You can recommend which can support and inspire in practice?

Guruji: highly recommended is Yoga Vasishtha. Shrimad Bhagavatam also.

do You recommend rereading the books after some development in practice?

Guruji: you continuously keep on reading: understanding will develop slowly

kag Bhusundi saw pralaya or tandava 6 times: but where he was when there was no creation?

Guruji: this is own sankalpa: he created his own place and was sitting there. “by understanding and knowing the essence of Prana and Apana I became immortal”- it’s his words. So carry on!

now the topic of the rising of Kundalini is discussed so much; is it possible to understand that it’s real rising of Kundalini by some warmth in the spine – and maybe by some other feelings?

Guruji: when mafia killer put gun on your head – your spine itched; it is not Kundalini rising – it’s just a feeling of fear. It’s a common talk – but I will tell you with all honesty and good will: awakening happens once or twice in a thousand years. And the person will become immortal. Or at least he will live for centuries.

Ride a heavy motorcycle: you will feel vibration in your spine also. It is as good as awakening of Kundalini(smiling). It’s a serious thing: every biker has more confidence than a person who cannot ride a bike. The vibrations do something(smiling). After several years we discuss the rising of Kundalini – again.

nowadays there are many classes on awakening the Kundalini, and they are very popular – so

Guruji: that is good: they will remain busy. And some sensation will come – or they will imagine there is some sensation.

but will it lead to something – if someone will feel sensation in the spinal cord?

Guruji: if the consciousness is not developing, if the quality of life is not improving, if confidence is not getting better, if your life in general is not getting better, if you’re not becoming more healthier and better looking and more shapely – than it is just imagination.

You will be a super person: you will stand out in 10000 people.

it is not like a dream experience which you can forget after some time?

Guruji: no

but that small things which people describes – is it something else they experience?

Guruji: they are concentrating on their spine, so-called chakras: some sensation you will feel – or imagine. Not only in your spinal cord: if you will concentrate on your finger – you will feel some sensation there. That means – you’re becoming aware of that.

when it starts to go into sushumna – is it painful or scary; how it feels on the body?

Guruji: not exactly painful. It is like when you were a child your father tickling your stomach – was it painful? But it was not tolerable. Something like that.

many western books are saying that your body starts to shake or something like that?

Guruji: well, when your father were tickling your stomach – you were shaking all over and crying out also at the same time – but no pain. Something like that.

but is it scary in the beginning?

Guruji: it will be! But scary not in the sense of frightening thing: it is different – exciting.

what happens this time in the brain, in the consciousness?

Guruji: they are waiting to wake up, they are not aware of it. Only your conscious mind is afraid.

no visions?

Guruji: they will come later.

after the second rising of Kundalini prana begins to move in sushumna with Kundalini?

Guruji: prana, apana and the essential power of earth element – these three are combined and they begin to flow in your spinal cord. And it will bring about definite molecular change in your cerebral spinal fluid: that will create supernatural consciousness; very- very super consciousness will follow. When super consciousness will come – great changes, physical and mental, will follow.

but it begin to flow only after second awakening, after first it is inert?

Guruji: no, after first Kundalini goes to sleep: it is such a tremendous effort that it will go in a sort of a coma; then your yoga practice will wake it up again. Then you will begin to have some more control over these things – practice!

with yoga practice we can move Kundalini, but the practice comes to the end – then what happens with Kundalini?

Guruji: with regular practice it will be in the permanent awakened state; and as they write in the most ancient books – then the physical immortality will follow; the physical body will begin to change.

suppose we’re doing it for the first time: so after all that movements it comes to what state?

Guruji: that is what I’m saying: with everyday practice you’re taking it up again and again – then it will not come down, it will find the permanent place there.

but if you’re not doing it – it is coming down after the practice?

Guruji: no, effect will always remain. When you’re going asleep you’re not forgetting everything when you wake up again. All memory stays with you.

sometimes it also happens(laughs)

Guruji: it’s like a boon – but not all the time. You’re not becoming ignorant idiot, which you were before. The wisdom and the education will stay.

what are the physical signs of awaken Kundalini?

Guruji: he will change physically. He will become like a great person: he will stop ageing and start to look very young. Even Hatha Yoga Pradipika says: the yogi starts to be like a 16-year old teenager. Ok, this is too big thing to achieve; but he will stop looking like an old man. Reasonably young look will remain. And the one of the great books of Gyaneshwar – Gyaneshwari Gita – he describes the awakening of Kundalini step by step: he says the person will become immortal. He may choose to remain in physical form or may choose to enter nirvana.

KUNDALINI AND THE SECOND EXPERIENCE OF SAMADHI

rising of Kundalini: is it immediate or prolonged process?

Guruji: it is the result of very prolonged process practiced.

how it goes, how it happens?

Guruji: slowly-slowly – suddenly nothing will happen. It will take years.

about bindu and rajas: bindu is in sahasrar and rajas is in muladhar – how they move towards each other?

Guruji: Shakti is doing tapas to meet Shiva. So the power of the earth element, which we call Kundalini, will rise up and they will met.

so that power will take rajas with her?

Guruji: you can call it anyway: I mean how you can separate the woman from the Earth? They go together.

so it’s a part of Kundalini Shakti?

Guruji: it is. Kundalini is also called a woman, so rajas is part of her – they will go together. The woman is going up – then the union with Shiva will take place or the union of rajas and bindu will also take place.

the union takes place after the first or after the second awakening?

Guruji: after the second awakening.

what happens with Shakti and bindu after the first awakening?

Guruji: they go to sleep. Bindu is already there and Shakti goes to sleep.

to which direction it moves in the second awakening?

Guruji: into the subconscious brain. When conscious mind is no longer unconscious and it awakes up; at the same time subconscious is also waking up, - then. That is second awakening.

where it exactly sleeping in the brain after the first awakening?

Guruji: in conscious mind.

Kundalini is stirring up and ready to wake up- but it is not going to sahasrara. It is such an overwhelming thing that body will have to go to suspended animation – otherwise it will burn out. It is defence measure.

so body must be tolerable to this condition of the suspended animation?

Guruji: no, of awakening of the energy. I’ve already said that if 100% brain will wake up – the electromagnetic charges be overwhelming and the body will be incinerated by that.

if the 100% mind will awaken – it’s the second awakening?

Guruji: yes; in the process – not like just switching on and off.

could we say that after several thousands of samadhis we can wake up Kundalini first time?

Guruji: yes, samadhi is the surest way to wake it up. And then, after another several thousands – the second awakening. Even the first awakening will make the person very wise.

SECOND AWAKENING OF KUNDALINI

when Kundalini awakens – it is awakening of the subconscious mind or conscious, which is already united?

Guruji: when the power of the earth element will rise and unite all 5 elements – then your subconscious mind will wake up. They are together.

so the power of the earth element is not the subconscious itself?

Guruji: no. when Kundalini rises – after she goes to sleep, then second awakening takes place.

so then subconscious mind awakens – it is not merging wit the conscious instantly?

Guruji: it takes time. First it will wake up, then it will find itself, begin to see and understand, then see that Kundalini has go to sleep again in the brain this time; then it awakens it again, then – as they say together forever.

so subconscious merges with the conscious only after second awakening?

Guruji: yes. After the first subconscious awakened and conscious is sleeping. So second awakening is needed. And I’m only person in the entire world who say it.

rising and awakening of Kundalini – are they same?

Guruji: he rose from a sleep, he was awaken – what’s the difference? Nothing

what is the main driving force for Kundaliini?

Guruji: your ambition, your hard work and desire to awaken it. Then everything will follow. You are the main driving force.

IMMORTALITY – SIDE EFFECT OF AWAKENING KUNDALINI

in the process of Kundalini awakening first apana goes to the heart or prana goes down?

Guruji: it will happen together; apana will replace prana in the heart and prana will go down to muladhara.

should they connect in the navel?

Guruji: many people said that.

and what do You think?

Guruji: heart is the center. That’s why so much talks about heart everywhere. They’re like eternal lovers.

but what about nabhi kriya?

Guruji: it will create a very good body for you: your body was created through the navel. If you somehow switch on the mechanism – the body will rejuvenated.

but for kundalini main point is the heart?

Guruji: for kundalini main point is your brain.

They were giving a sort of symbolic explanation: but same way the consciousness rising up. Then all the stories about serpent power begin. Kundalini and consciousness are one and the same. It depends on your brain. Nobody is talking about brain anymore. Is your eyes looking at me or is your brain looking at me through your eyes?

I hope both?

Guruji: they’re just instruments. So take good care of your brain.

in that process – apana replaces prana and prana goes down – it happens in the same time?

Guruji: to reach the level of that process will take many years, to completely be able to control your physical body, and your nervous system, and the vayu inside your body – that takes years and years of practice. Then these things will happen simultaneously. Somebody’s kundalini awakening is the historical thing. It may happen one time in centuries – not a very common general thing. And immortality will follow.

55. AT THE END OF THE MIDDLE, BIRTH TAKES PLACE

after the first awakening Kundalini is sleeping in agya chakra, because sushumna enters there; so where is Kundalini after second awakening?

Guruji: in your subconscious, moving all over the brain. It absorbed everywhere.

what is the interaction of prana and Kundalini after the second awakening?

Guruji: prana will remain like suspended. Sushumna will remain active, 100% brain will remain active. Prana will be everywhere. Your mind will remain between prana and apana: like Ardhanarishwar.

because of the second awakening the practitioner reaches the state of manonmani? And became to perceive the Void?

Guruji: Void you will start to perceive much before that. And manonmani – that is turiyatita, beyond the fourth state.

is it some difference between the states of unmani and manonmani?

Guruji: they mean the same.

is it true sequence – please correct my assumptions: first the yogi reaches the state of manonmani, turiya, then niralamb, then turiyatita and then kaivalya?

Guruji: more or less they are synonyms. They may be having so many qualities; but we must begin to perceive them – till we reach that state.

is it true that niralamb state is in between of turiya and turiyatita?

Guruji: niralamb is a very different thing: our mind, when it is working – it is like to hold on to something. It may be a thought or an object. Niralamb is – when mind is steady without taking any help from any object or thought. That is niralamb. That is also great state of mind. Kaivalya is the highest state in yoga, Patanjali also writes about it.

when You were talking about kundalini awakening, that it happens once in centuries – it was about the second one, like Shakti chalini?

Guruji: first time happens in centuries, the second one – in thousands of years. Between first and the second great efforts required.

I think if you can do the first – the second will be automatically?

Guruji: if you can do it the first time – then the possibility for the second time begins. Maybe I’m the only one mentioned that second awakening of kundalini is taking place.

between first and second awakening – it’s long time period?

Guruji: initially euphoria of success is very difficult to overcome. If someone be able to overcome initial euphoria of kundalini’s awakening – then, after overcoming this euphoria you will become aware that second awakening is also very important and needed. That euphoria is the biggest progress sign. Most of the people remain stunned there.

so You know the examples, who did it only once and that’s it?

Guruji: many; but even the first time awaken kundalini will give you enough time – your life span will be very long; after few centuries you will begin to think more on it.

what that who cannot overcome euphoria are doing for so long time?

Guruji: if you were remain hungry for so long time and suddenly what you will do? – you will go out and eat. You remember – let’s go to hell(laughing)

so yogis, who can really practice Shakti chalini – they are one or two in whole history?

So it cannot be the difference in that – by qualities or something?

Guruji: Nothing. But the second awakening was described for the first time: you never read anywhere about it.

When you’re going beyond your conscious mind – that is the Unmani and Manonmani state.

The more you ask, the more answers I have to give – the clearer the path will be. Over the years the discussions became more refined and more sophisticated. We all are different now- than that time.

Q: what is Kundalini experience?

Guruji: I will tell you – in Yoni mudra kutastha is appearing – that is the sign of temporary awakening of Kundalini. It is a sure sign of awaken Kundalini. Without awaken of Kundalini the right will never entered(????)

Q: what is the difference between awakening of Kundalini and rising Kundalini?

Guruji: piercing of all six chakras and awaken the Kundalini – Yoni mudra is doing it. That’s why in Hatha Yoga Pradipika it describes only in fourth chapter.

Q: but you told us it is only 12 people who awaken the Kundalini?

Guruji: with permanent awaken – only. Maybe less then. After permanent awaking the Kundalini kutastha will always remain in front of you. That is only sign. And what you are see means Kundalini’s play.

Q: why Kundalini have 3,5 coils?

Guruji: this is mystical number; om is considered to be 3,5. It is considered a normal height of a man -3,5( hand from elbow with fingers straight) – it is directly connected with that.

Kutilangi, Kundalini, Bhujangi, Shakti, Ishvari, Kundali,
and Arundhati – all these words are synonymous.
Just as a door is opened with the help of a key, similarly
the yogi opens the door to liberation with Kundalini.
After successfully perfecting Vajroli, the yogi begins to
know Kundalini, and after awakening Kundalini he gains
control over its movements. Only then he is ready for
Shakti Chalini. “[…]” means to move. To move Shakti or
Kundalini inside the subconscious mind is what remains
after Kundalini has been awakened and the union of bindu
and raj has taken place. For this Shakti Chalini is advised.
”

The sleeping Parameshvari is resting with her mouth
closing that door, through which is the path to the knot
of Brahmasthana, the place beyond suffering.
After the supreme effort of forming the union with the
bindu, the Kundalini goes to sleep in the midbrain. Brah -
masthana refers to the brain which is the seat of Brahma,
the mind.
The Kundalini Shakti sleeps on the kanda. This Shakti is
a means of liberation for the yogi and bondage for the
ignorant. One who knows this is the knower of yoga.
“[…]” is the human brain (it means “root bulb” in
Sanskrit), where after forming the union with the bindu,
Kundalini goes to sleep again. Even after reaching this very
high state, the yogi who fails to awaken the Kundalini for
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the second time, misses liberation, the final result of yoga.
Also in the fifteenth chapter of Srimad Bhagavad Gita it
is said that root is upward and all the branches are down -
ward. This is an exact description of human brain and
nervous system.
Kutilakara – she is not easy and she is not straight. This is
without a doubt. Whoever makes this Shakti flow, obtains
liberation. There is no doubt about it.
Kundalini is like a serpent and is also called the great
deceiver ( […]). After awakening from Mooladhara and
reaching Sahasrara and after forming the union with the
bindu she again goes back to sleep, resting in the midbrain.
Here she can deceive the yogi by giving him the final sense
of achievement. But from this point a very delicate and
sophisticated practice named Shakti Chalini is needed to
arouse it from its slumber again, for the final liberation.
”

Between Ganga and Y amuna is a young widow Balaranda,
practicing austerity. She should be seized forcibly; only
then can one reach the supreme state of Vishnu.
In Sanskrit, “ […]” literally means "the void".
After reaching the Void the experience of nada begins,
which the great yogi Swatmarama will describe in the
fourth chapter.
Ida is Bhagavati Ganga and Pingala is Y amuna. Between
Ida and Pingala, the Kundalini is the child-widow.
”

By seizing the tale of the serpent (Kundalini), she be -
comes very excited. Abandoning her sleep, the Shakti
awakens and rises up.
Draw the apana up and cover the Kundalini with it, like
an Indian woman covers herself up with her sari. And
move the Shakti for an hour and a half every morning
and evening.

On the top it is one vitasti in length and is four fingers
thick. It looks like a very soft and white cloth which is
rolled together.
The skull is always of this size for every individual and
inside the skull the brain looks like a very soft white cloth
rolled and put together. The Shakti sleeps on it to be awak-
ened for the second time.
”

Sitting in Vajrasana hold your feet with your hands very
strongly, near the ankles. By doing this the kanda starts
vibrating.
Sitting in Siddhasana press your heel very strongly to
the pelvic region with both your hands. This starts a cer -
tain reaction inside the brain.
Established in Vajrasana (Siddhasana), the yogi moves
the Kundalini. After this he should do Bhastrika to awak-
en the Kundalini.
”

Contracting the sun, Kundalini should be moved. Even
for somebody falling in the mouth of death, there is no
fear of death.
Here “sun” means apana. When the yogi sits in Vajrasana
and presses his heel strongly with both his hands into the
pelvic region, the apana rises up and envelops the Kunda-
lini which is sleeping in the midbrain. The yogi thus starts
to move it. Once the yogi achieves this, he has no fear of
death even if he is falling into the jaws of death. This means
he stops fearing death by knowing its true nature; he may
also become immortal and may never die. This statement
could be interpreted in both ways.
By moving the Kundalini without fear for one and a half
hour, it is drawn into Sushumna and rises up a little.
”

Sushumna and void are synonymous.
This way it is easy for Kundalini to rise from the opening
of Sushumna. Thus prana proceeds through Sushumna
of its own effort.
With the second awakening of Kundalini, the prana
begins to flow into Sushumna along with Kundalini. The
great experience of the Conscious Void begins from here.
This way the sleeping Kundalini should be regularly
moved. By her regular movement, the yogi is freed from
disease.
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The yogi who moves the Shakti regularly enjoys perfec -
tion or siddhi. He conquers the play of Time and Death.
What more is there to say?
One, who enjoys being a brahmachari, always takes a
moderate diet, and practices to arouse the Kundalini,
achieves perfection in 40 days.
“[…]” is mind and “[…] ” means the one who
explores the deep mysteries of his mind with his awakened
consciousness. He is the real brahmachari. Such a brah -
machari achieves perfection in 40 days.