KHECHARI MUDRA - PARAMETER OF KRIYA
Banamali Lahiri suggested to me to set the parameter of khechari.
he suggested You to document it and to have the scientifical proof? Only for You it was suggested?
Guruji: the Guru should have it, yes. No- it was suggested to everybody who is claiming to be Kriya yogi. There are even big organisations without having this. It created a shock allover the Kriya yogis. They are all aware of it. Yogananda’s group, so many self-claimed Gurus: many of so-called Kriya yoga Guru was inspired by Yogananda’s success and everybody was claiming that they know it. They are dressing nicely and saying the sweet things without no connection of the lineage. Maybe for that B.Lahiri said me to set the parameter: if you’re claiming yourself a Kriya yog- at least you should have it. Still I’m only one who set it. And we discovered so many things with that MRI: Om inside and Babaji’s face there.
the Yogananda’s society here in India- they don’t indicate khechari?
Guruji: absolutely! Nowhere such discussions like we have happen. Nowhere such deep discussions of technical aspects- there is the point.
there are no teachers to give these technics?
Guruji: but the organisation stand in the name of Kriya yoga.
organisations are created to make money
Guruji: they are doing it! But when they start to use the word Kriya yoga and some people will ask - show us khechari: how they will show?
You mentioned few times that Your teacher was saying to the students, to You: never start organisation?
Guruji: he said it to me and the others and it is specifically mentioned in the “Autobiography of the yogi”, that Babaji and Lahiri Mahasaya was absolutely against creating any organisation. And we see, what happened with it after a long time- whether it is Kriya yoga organisation or religious one. Among Nath yogis there was a discipline between Guru and disciple- that’s it! Power game will come, you will need money, then you will go out to find credits and so on…
that’s like in a story when the hermit had a cow, then he will need the cat who will catch the mice in his cave.
Guruji: maybe like this. And also: creating an organisation maybe like a creating an empire. Another psychological thing here is: when you become a member of organisation you start to believing unknowingly that you will never surpass the standards of the founder of this organisation. You will always just follow. Here in India- specially in North India: if you’re defeated by your son or by your disciple- this is the best thing which can happen. And there- you will just continue to follow.
I haven’t seen anyone surpassing You so far
Guruji: I hope it will come. Otherwise what is the use of teachings?
well, You have incredibly reach human material
Guruji: I haven’t seen any organisation discussing on technical aspects of the practice: they will just say- don’t worry about because it’s secret thing. But I think it was very needed and very important.
You said You have siesta after lunch when You were in ashram; what interesting will be with us if we have the same schedule?
Guruji: post lunch siesta was compulsory! Your brain will be dormant and you will have no intelligent questions after that.
how Swamiji react when You said about the wrong teachings?
Guruji: just remain silent. And keep looking the other side when I’m crossing his way. Because inside they are also aware. I think if you know- you must give the answer. If you don’t know- say that you don’t know.
usually deceivers believes in own lie
Guruji: All their life depends on lie- and that is another problem. In Yogananda’s books- some truth is there: Babaji and Lahiri Mahasaya was absolutely against taking sannyasa and they were against creating any organisation. But in Yogananda’s case we see- he went against these direct instructions. Among different sadhus and yoga masters no one discuss so openly on technical aspects. They will say: you’re not ready for these teachings. Here we are ready to discuss on every aspect, whatever comes to mind. Otherwise what is the use of Guru and disciple relationship if Guru is not ready to communicate? If the right question is there- when why not? And if I don’t know the answer- we can think together. Whatever we discuss for so many years - I’ve never heard any conversation anywhere.
everywhere in the net is just giving lectures- but nobody discuss
Guruji: yes, she named the book perfectly: “Upanishad of immortality”- upanishad means question and answer between the Guru and disciple or a certain rishi and some seeker: that is called Upanishad.
but now, if you are in spiritual business, you need to develop your product?
Guruji: I think it’s a temporary fashion, it will pass
is it any contradiction between giving to people what they want and at the same time…
Guruji: I’m not against it: but only thing is if you’re using the word Kriya yoga, which Babji gave.
I simply could not down my standard to my circumstances: they have to come up to the standard.
Another my favourite: I’ve always live beyond my means: let’s hope finally my means will change for better.
One man asked: what is the limit of Your budget? I said- because I have no income, so my budget has no limit. Whatever comes- I spend. If nothing comes- I don’t spend. Why I spend? Main principle in Patanjali’s Yoga Darshan is aparigraha- no savings. That’s why I’m able to sleep at the night.