The terms: dehi, jiva, atma, soul, spirit, Ishwar and Paramatma

Man: How does a spirit carry information?

S: It doesn’t need a body to carry it, the spirit carries in in its consciousness.

Man: Where is his consciousness? Is it in his air body? Or is it somewhere in the planet Earth and he just has a certain connection to it?

S: The spirit is beyond the 5 elements. For us it is impossible to imagine something that is beyond the 5 elements. We don’t know how he carries it. Maybe the spirit has the information in the Void, in the consciousness of the Void.

there is a discussion going on in the world for for a very long time some people say we believe in god and some people think they say that we are at least we don't believe in god and this question has been raised in front of me several times and my answer to that question is it is a very mathematical conclusion most of the mathematical problems we start to solve them by assuming let's assume and we try to find the right formula and we reach the conclusion so this belief in god is highly mathematical substance we start by assuming that there is god and there is a spirit that is soul then

we need to find the right formula and we will surely reach the conclusion this is my opinion you also please ponder on that thank you

Jivatma, Shiva and Shakti

"Guruji, it is said that Brahma is Providence and governs us with the laws of karma. To which state does it continue?"

Guruji: "Brahma's domain is only till the physical world. Nobody has any dominion over the real spirits in the spiritual world, except Shiva and Shakti. The spirits, bhuta, around Shiva-ji are so powerful that even Brahma and Vishnu are scared of them. They are only jivatmas - spirits in the purest form. They have gone beyond all bodies - physical or astral. People call them bhuta, preta, pischacha and they all stay around Shiva-ji. And they are all immortal.

"Jiva is Shiva, and atma is Shakti. It's a very subtle point. We are all ardhanarishwara (male and female) in a way, as both jiva and atma are in us. Atma is all female powers, like consciousness which is also a form of shakti. Atma and all such powers belong to the domain of Devi - Aadi Shakti. And jiva since it is a form of Shiva belongs to the domain of Shiva-ji. Even science says the same - we are half male and half female. The only difference is of a chromosome! All these things reflect on the physical plane to some degree, whether we can understand them or not."

"So Guruji when we say I, who do I identify with, jiva or atma?"

Guruji: "That's what the whole effort is for, to understand who I am. It's a matter of realization what our true nature is, who we are. Plainly speaking I'm Shiva, I'm also Shakti, I'm male, I'm female, I'm both. Our body has so much information recorded that if could decode all that we'll become super knowledgeable. The entire history of human race, infact the history of entire physical creation is in it. As the old books say, 'yat pinde tat brahmande'. It's a very profound statement. That means once you know yourself in entirety, and not just that 'I'm Brahma', etc, but also your body as well, that will be something! It'll be a shocking realization. The data of the entire universe will become available to you. It's a wonderful thing!

"That's why the old yogis have said, 'Go inside'. And only yogis have said that. Others only worshiped hypothetical gods whose name they cannot even pronounce. Here's another horrible truth: We read that the devil is after your soul. Now soul is your immortal substance. Everybody's after that immortal substance, whether you offer it to a hypothetical god or to the devil. In Christianity, for example, there's description of the creation but who created the souls is not even described in the Bible.

"The soul must have some substance that even gods are after it. May be it makes them powerful - if immortals start worshiping you, you'll also become immortal. That's why the earthly plane becomes important, because that the only place where the soul forgets its true nature and get imprisoned in the body. At that time it's easy to fool it. See why there are so many religions, so many cults on Earth? Because if you can influence the soul, you can do anything.

"Look at Shiva-ji instead. A yogi attains Shivatva (Shivahood). Shiva-ji doesn't dominate. He's a guru, and you become Him. Because jiva is already Shiva - immortal. The entire theory is different but that's only in yoga.

"No other gods are like that. You don't attain Brahmahood or Vishnuhood, or in Christianity become God or in Islam become Khuda. That is kufra (blasphemy) according to them. Mansoor used to say 'anahalak' - I'm He, so king Aurangajeb got him decapitated. According to them, nobody can become god, you can only become devotees. Only in yoga it is said that you can become Shiva. What's bigger than that? And this way is open for everyone.

"Read that section in Mahabharata vol 6 where Upamanyu rishi is rebuking Indra, saying, 'O fool! Don't try to fool me with sweet words. Who is worshiped by all the gods? Nobody is born with a conch-shell or chakra, but with linga or yoni. But every male in the universe is stamped with Shiva's symbol and every female with Shakti's. It's a universal phenomena, from a bacteria to an elephant, ant, or even human. That biggest evidence that the entire creation is Shiva's and Shakti's, that this creation is Maheshwari.' And every man has the potential to gain Shivatva and every womanShakitva (Shakti-hood).

"That book, History of the World, has a picture of a thousands of years old statue of a naked female. It represents the female principle of the Earth. Despite all their sweet-talking, people have only been suggesting to avoid our fundamental nature. Isn't that contrary to what should be? Suppression is not realization. As I have written in Gita, these symbols are not just from somebody's imagination. They are hints, left by the first people out of their compassion for the future generation, for those who are able to understand. That's also why even from the ancient times renunciation has never been encouraged, because then you'll never get blessings from Shiva."

SPIRIT CONSCIOUSNESS PRANA APANA

many books are saying that we have the pranic body, the energetic body?

Guruji: this is just a way of trying to explain something which created even more confusions.

so how much bodies exactly we have?

Guruji: one physical body made with five elements, with consciousness and a spirit.

what is the difference between the consciousness and the spirit?

Guruji: spirit gives you life and animates you; then you become conscious.

and prana and spirit: are they different?

Guruji: prana and apana are very different: spirit is just serving them.

could we say that prana and apana are universal, they are not like individual?

Guruji: no, they are universal. Even beyond universal.

so the spirit is using prana and apana?

Guruji: spirit is doing nothing: it just gives you life and when the work of prana and apana is done – it takes away life.

but when something is taking another incarnation – it’s the spirit, who is taking another body?

Guruji: with that particular record of consciousness. The consciousness gives you individuality: spirit is just giving you life.

the consciousness is also universal thing – and in that universal thing there are some kind of the waves, which are individual?

Guruji: yes

so any consciousness consists of your individual experience, individual perspective and…

Guruji: all incarnations – they are with you.

and that notion like a common collective consciousness – does it exist?

Guruji: the Void is the ocean of consciousness, we still have no bigger to fathen it.

what about the incarnations of other people: that information is also inside our consciousness?

Guruji: no, in their consciousness.

are we the part of the big collective consciousness?

Guruji: see, we’re the human beings – part of the whole human community: but we don’t know each and every individual; until unless you make a special effort to know them all. We are sitting on Earth, touching it, using it; but we don’t know the mystery of whole Earth.

how we will get this wisdom with the practice: we will have some insights, or we will have access to the subconsciousness?

Guruji: you will become aware of all these things, when your brain will start develop.

could we say that all that knowledge is already inside us but we have no access to it?

Guruji: all the knowledge is inside us and outside of us; but because our development is very limited – so we just have a very little part of it. Law of gravity was working perfectly before Newton discovered that.

even now we have the gigabytes of information in our DNA…

Guruji: yes, so access it! Body is a book.

EXPERIENCES OF THE SPIRIT

what is happening in case of forceful death, when the spirit is subtracted of his own home forcibly?

Guruji: spirit doesn’t care. The forceful death is the direct result of the previous karmas.

This is called as “domain of death”; as we are different type of people – there are different types of death working here. It may appear as a forceful death to us – but it was man to be exactly like that. And for a spirit it doesn’t matter.

another practical question: vayu sharira – attachment of the consciousness to the body?

Guruji: no, it’s a sharira, it’s not a spirit – spirit is also inside that.

but what happens with the sudden relocation? Is it looking like new home?

Guruji: it is the strong will of the deceased which actually is capable of doing that. Spirit is just a life provider and taker.

is he influenced by the strong will of the deceased?

Guruji: that brings us to a very interesting conclusion that developing of the mind is extremely important here.

you can analyze your state?

Guruji: anything – and you can also have your relocation yourself. I keep stressing: develop your mind, develop your consciousness.

where does it go immediately after extraction?

Guruji: it remains earth-bound. Near the death and then surrounding area, near the family. Sometimes if it is a murder or something – it willing to take revenge also. I’ve seen many times that if some murder has been committed – the murder is usually goes through very bad times after that.

at the same time You say – it doesn’t care?

Guruji: spirit doesn’t care; but the mind and the consciousness -…these are different things.

consciousness dwells there because of the samskaras pulling it back?

Guruji: yes. It is consciousness – the expression of the Narayana which most thinks is Vishnu – but it is your brain sleeping in the water and the consciousness is its expression. Spirit is like providing energy – like generator provides.

It also described in the 15 th chapter of Gita: jiva is my antes, a drop of Me; that means what I keep discussing – that your spirit is just a drop of the ocean of Time. And it merges back into it and comes from that, retaining its individuality at the same time. Everything else is depending on our own mind and the consciousness and what we gather throughout of a journey of life.

Going into different incarnations, taking birth to different beings – from a smallest virus to a biggest of the whale: we are gathering so much masks on us and samskaras develops, we keep forgetting who we are – or it is our journey to discover who we are. I think it’s a better statement: journey to know ourselves. The more you’re expose to certain things – the more different angles of your own personality you discover. It is meant for that. Spirits are just providing us good conditions so we can live and we can free.

when the part of consciousness remains near the body?

Guruji: it is called the ghost, we have a name for it. Spirit will remain there, inside the ghost. Spirit is the satellite beyond five elements.

You have mentioned many times that he must be interested in staying with you?

Guruji: it will depend on you

is the death experience entertaining for the spirit?

Guruji: no. If one is so much giving life and taking it away – they just do it as a job, just one more thing. Like a doorman, who just receiving the guest, giving him his card back and parking his car – but he doesn’t go inside and enjoy the party. If the gateman will gain enough money and reside from a job – he will be invited as s guest. Till then he will keep standing on the gates, saluting every idiot with more money banking.

You said that spirit doesn’t care – but at the same time he wants to take a birth?

Guruji: no, spirit doesn’t want to take anything – it’s just their work. Our mind, our consciousness needs these things. That is again on our karma: how much we are able to create in this spirit. Or let’s say – in this drop of Time. Body is like the sentence of Time.

There is one of my favorite metaphor from “Arabian nights” : sultan killed his bride every morning; but there were two sisters – Dunya Jadi and Shahir Jadi – and one sister began to tell him stories ad leave the story uncomplete; he was so curious to listen so he let them go. After 1000 nights he lost interest in killing them. Same thing with the spirit. You need to create the very interest story, keep him interested. It’s a great wisdom here. Why spirit will care for: how many people you know who actually care for themselves? Not many, very few.

what will be interesting for the spirit?

Guruji: first you need to create some interest in a general public – because they also have a spirit. If you cannot create interest in normal people – how you will be able to create the interests in their spirits, who is beyond five elements? It’s a great work. If you can’t become part of the imagination of the people – why spirit will care? That’s the point. As a Hindu I shouldn’t care - we believe in reincarnation( laughing)

Your person is a combination of 5 elements and 5 senses. One needs to be very understanding therapist to diagnose exactly what you need. It is not a simple thing to diagnose.

The mind has the power to discriminate, that is called buddhi. And ahamkara is feeling of being, that I exist, I am. This combination makes you. It will make 5 elements together. The mind – power of discrimination – and the feeling of being. First the feeling of being appears, that I exist, I am. The next step is – which is good for me, which is not good for me; that is the power of discrimination, which is called buddhi. Then the mind will develop and consciousness will expand. Combination of this and five elements will be you or me or anyone else.

where is a spirit here?

Guruji: feeling of being is a spirit. First you need to exist, to feel yourself. Then you will worry about what is good for you and what is bad for you. Step by step progress.

when the spirit enters the body?

Guruji: spirit remains near from the moment of conception and enters the body from the first breathe taken. But it remain connected – because most of the mothers feels the presence around them; that is the spirit which is about to take birth.

the first breath when it is in the womb?

Guruji: when the umbilical cord is cut.

WHAT IS A BOOK AND WHO IS THE READER

…So it is dehi, who studies while reading it – for entertainment, for wisdom, for knowledge; and then he leaves.

So again and again different books are read, aren’t they?

Guruji: Well, even science would agree that all individuals are unique. Take your fingerprints for example – they will never be repeated.

But experienced algorithms are pretty much the same, right?

Guruji: No, and there is very little time for that observation. Every experience can be extremely deep. It depends on the observer – how deep he’s able to understand. So don’t be superficial, go deeper. Like when you keep spinning in the wheel of karma – you’d never think of going beyond 2%, because you’re limited so much by your personality, your destiny, and your karmic results… so you will never develop 100% – or let’s say to the limit, unlimited limit.

The point is – it’s not amused, no matter what’s up with you, is it?

Guruji: That’s the point: the content is more important than the cover of the book! All these things are just the cover of a book. This 2% is providing a cover; and dehi is relaxing inside without any disturbance reading, and just reading – then one day leaving. So this karma, this destiny is just there to limit you within 2% of your consciousness: go beyond that! This is the name of the game. Read H.C. Anderson’s “The Ugly Duckling” – you will realize the true identity, not the superficial one, which is given to you by society, so-called family and situation. Read that story: it will give you the answer.

Development of the consciousness: does it not consist of different goals, is it just one?

Guruji: They’re stepping stones…

So are goals like the steps of a ladder?

Guruji: A stepping stone is never the goal; the goal is to climb the steps and reach some height. In the name of the development of the mind.

… and never ignore the development of the brain?

Guruji: Without developing the brain no development of the mind or understanding is going to be performed. We are so habitual in using this word – «mind», and we keep ignoring the brain. This is our problem.

Today I was recalling your words: exercise the brain, develop the brain. And people keep asking the same questions: «The brain is basically a fat tissue in a jar of liquid, so how to exercise this substance?»

Guruji: Come to Shailendra Sharma, receive initiation in Kriya yoga.

«It’s not a muscle, which can be physically developed.»

Guruji: That means – their idea of development is limited by only physical muscles. Development goes much beyond the physical muscles.

But people ask whether it’s an intellectual development.

Guruji: I’m talking about the development of the brain! The more the brain will be developed – the better intellectuality, mind, and consciousness will express themselves.

Can you give a simple instruction on how to develop the brain? To feed it by prana?

Guruji: Prana is one of the things; also all the mudras described in Hatha Yoga Pradipika – their aim is to awaken Kundalini, that means to awaken the consciousness. They are one and the same. I have noticed the head size increasing in more than 200 of my disciples – that tells us the development of the brain is really taking place. Usually the head is not increasing in size after a certain age.

His name will remain «Ivan» – but he will know that…?

Guruji: He will say: «Yes, I’m also known by the name «Ivan» – by society.» He will also realize his true name – which is impossible to pronounce; the name of the spirit.

So will it be like the full version of the same individual’s self-identification?

Guruji: Of course.

Will he merge with the spirit?

Guruji: No, he will remain individual – but a long-time friendship will develop. We’re very good at giving labels and names; a tree never comes forward to say «I’m a tree» – we just give it a name. A dog never says «I’m a dog» – we just put a label on the dog. So the true identity will be realized.

JIVA IS HUMAN

In many Indian mythological puranas it is written that jiva of a thumb size lives in the heart. And he [my Guru] shared that whenever he was closing his eyes – it appeared, almost all the time. A human figure of a thumb size. Jiva is human. Golden shape appeared whenever he closed his eyes.

Did his first experience happen after his father’s death and after he turned 50?

Guruji: Yes.

How many times did he experience it?

Guruji: If he was closing his eyes and jiva was appearing instantly – that means his mental state was very different and very high. It is as good as samadhi. Maybe it is the result of samadhi. He died at the age of 82 – so let’s say for 32 years he had been experiencing it. This description of jiva – I’ve never read it anywhere before.

Was it in kutastha or just in front of his eyes?

Guruji: With closed eyes it appeared.

But did he feel it in the heart?

Guruji: He didn’t elaborate on that. He said: whenever I close my eyes – it appears.

When he was telling you all these exciting stories about yogis, who were discovered in samadhi, demonstrating that; did he himself speak about the techniques of coming out of this state?

Guruji: We discovered that there is a herb, which is taking one to a cataleptic – or whatever – state like a coma. That’s why the other person’s help is needed. Without it – no antidote will be taken.

WHO IS AWAKENING WHOM

K: The working title of the book is ‘Awakener’ and as we advance into more stories, to say that the guru is an awakener is the right thing, but in a way it is a bit two dimensional. What you have spoken about throughout the years is an awakening of the subconsciousness. But, are we actually awakening the spirit as well? Or does the spirit never sleep?

G: It never sleeps. Only when your subconscious has been awakened and it becomes pure consciousness only then will the Spirit take some interest in you. Until then it will just come and go.

K: So it is not an entity; well, you had also mentioned Narayan for…

G: Subconscious brain.

K: But the Spirit is awake, it never sleeps.

G: It is the giver of life and the stealer of life.

K: So, it is not in our power to awaken it or to put it to sleep

G: I answered that when the zoom conference was on.

It’s so ancient: millions and billions of years old, something. And it is almost an impossible task to create some interest in such an ancient being. It would look at you and be like, “Yes, now I will talk with someone.” And it may be possible only after your consciousness is pure. When there is no ‘sub’ thing in your brain or your mind. Then only, they may take some interest.

K: Why don’t we feel the presence of this ancient being in our being?

G: Well, it is a surprise for me to hear. We are alive; that itself is the evidence. You must feel life. They are the giver of life.

K: In that regard

G: Maybe they are also searching for millions and billions of years for a true friend to pass the eternity. So it’s up to us to reach that level where they are able to converse with us or to start a friendship. Nature of the Spirit is nowhere described – not in any of the religions. But I always said, the spirits are the most ancient things. Beginning-less and endless. Such a being, so ancient and so new at the same time…

You have to be at a certain level to create some interest in them: “ok, let’s talk, let’s converse’ and this talk and conversation might lead to an eternal friendship. Together, forever.

K: Are we talking about Atman at any point?

G: Atman and physical body are synonymous in a sense.

We are discussing both: Spirit and Atman, both are That.

You can call it Atman, you can call it Dehi, you can call it Jiva …

A great example: Devi Parvati did tapas for thousands and thousands of years. She would remain in samadhi and finally Shiva noticed her and they united, together forever. So here, take Devi Parvati as a symbol of your conscious mind or your subconscious mind, put them together and the Jiva, which is in permanent Samadhi, without care, when it awakens – it will take interest. Until then, no realization…

… Think Jiva and Shiva, so maybe we can make a parallel here. And I think that it takes quite a lot of courage; you have to be extremely brave, to face such an ancient being, your Spirit – who lives inside you. Even facing Babaji, one can almost soil his clothes; the Master’s appearance can create such an effect…

Your own Atman, beginning-less and endless – what it will think of you when it will look at you for the first time? But it is a great thing to actually face your own Atman.

K: How many people have this chance?

G: It happens very rarely. And that’s the joke. Everybody has an Atman inside them; Jiva. Everybody had a conscious mind and subconscious. Everybody has all the tools, it’s their decision what to do and what not to do with it. In that sense this is real democracy. We are all equal. Equal opportunity, equal tools. No difference.

Wow, I said good things today.

DEHI PART 1 INTRODUCTION

I will tell you one more thing: last night I was reading 2 nd chapter of Gita- they are not using the word “spirit” or “soul”, He is using the word “dehi” – who lives inside the body. Whoever, who lives inside the body. And I think this is the most appropriate term they have used – instead of calling jiva, atma, spirit, soul… the immortal thing, which lives inside the body – deha and dehi; body and who inhabits the body. Last night it struck my mind. For some day we was discussing spirit, spirit, spirit – it’s too much. So this is the most appropriate term of whoever immortal thing is inside us.

ancient greek were saying that dehi has the shining carrier, which is or in the head or in the right shoulder?

Guruji: maybe, because that belief exists even in India that death rides on the left shoulder, on the left side. Maybe life itself is riding on the right side. But it’s debatable point because besides greek it nowhere mentioned. But kutastha are discussed only in Kriya yoga, nowhere else. That makes the lineage very mysterious – nobody discussing that.

how spirit took a new body to receive the experience?

Guruji: I was reading 2 nd chapter of Gita; I think these terms – spirit, soul, atma, jiva, - they may confuse you. There Krishna uses the word “dehi” – “who lives inside the physical body”.

but how dehi forget that he is dehi when he’s taking new birth?

Guruji: no, dehi remembers: body is not aware about it. Dehi remembers everything. Your mind is different – only 3-4% is working, rest is sleeping. But dehi – nobody knows, who is dehi; from where it has come and where it will go. That’s why we’re saying – maybe only me saying it – make your dehi your friend. He will tell you things. He or she – whoever it is.

it exist the way to make embodiment easily? No fight, no struggle?

Guruji: that is your struggle; dehi is not consent about your progress. It is coming for a certain bear, bringing life, one day it will leave. Problem is ours, not of dehis. If you somehow make it interesting in your progress and some communication begins and the friendship will develop – then a very different chapter will start. We remain confuse – spirit, soul, this, that…but they are only words. Best word is dehi: who lives inside the body.

When dehi comes – we start to call that union as “life”; when he moves away – we call it “death”. Separation is death, union is life.

You have the mind also: majority is sleeping. Our problem is: by using intelligently 3-5% of our brain we need to wake up the rest of the brain, which is unconscious. Only then we will become aware of the dehi. And also we begin to discover the potency of the physical body. Because physical body is the place, where these two big powers are actually meeting.

DEHI PART 3 DEHI THE DRIVER

Guruji, maybe You answered this question thousand times – but what is this golden ring?

Guruji: golden ring is just the aura of your spirit or who lives inside your body. The dark thing is the main thing in the middle. Many people described it from religious point of view – they say it is Shiva and Kali; some say it is Radha and Krishna – but that is your essence, who is inside your body.

why everyone has the same essence?

Guruji: initially the same essence – then the difference you begin to notice. From a distance all human beings look the same. Only when you look at them closely – the difference comes. Same with him, who lives inside the body, dehi. It is the better word than soul or spirit.

now I’m trying not to confuse with dehi and dahi

Guruji: dahi is semi-immortal. You can keep dahi without refrigeration for at least 6 months to 1 year, dahi has this quality.

why it’s not so good for the yogis?

Guruji: it agree with vata dosha. I mean regular eating; just for tasting it’s ok.

what if dehi appears like pure gold with very small black dot inside?

Guruji: he keep changing

he doesn’t want to be seen just showing aura?

Guruji: he is in front of you – but you just notice the aura

could dehi appear in front of us without practicing yoga?

Guruji: I’ve been studying different type of methods which is available in India and all over the world: only in our practice it is definitely said, how to make it appear. Nobody is talking about how to make a dehi your friend.

could it appear in front of yoga practitioner during daily life, not in practice?

Guruji: well, when you are practicing yoga regularly – then of course you may experience it time to time. But without practice – no. who cares for dehi? And dehi cares for no one. One day it will leave – and you will even know it has left you.

could body live without dehi?

Guruji: the union of dehi with the physical body is called life, and the separation is called death.

without dehi it’s sort of zombie?

Guruji: not even zombie: that must be some sort of dehi inside zombie also. No dehi – nothing, not even a zombie. No werewolf, no vampire, no normal human being, no dog, no virus, nothing. They all have a dehi inside.

how dehi is connected with prana?

Guruji: dehi comes and prana is triggered to animate the physical body. Dehi is the main driver or who starts the engine.

there exists the forms of life which are not breathing, they have no prana?

Guruji: if they are animated, they can move and do things – then there are somebody inside. Their energy may not be depending on the oxygen – but we are animated with burning, that’s why we breathe.

but it exists prana in someone who is no breathing?

Guruji: yes, prana is everywhere.

even beyond carbon prana exists?

Guruji: hopefully, yes; it is coming from beyond carbon - that’s why we keep saying “Alakh Niranjan”

how it happen when from another dimension something came to animate everything here?

Guruji: like you go to the club for entertainment. it’s all around entertainment.

dehi carries prana?

Guruji: dehi is considered like a driver, body is considered like a chariot or a vehicle. Dehi comes and starts the engine.

how does it feel for the car?

Guruji: when the car is over – you just throw it away or sell it, go to the car compendia to be recycled again.

could we say that prana and dehi are two different forces which come together in the body?

Guruji: yes. And the third force is your mind. It’s not a singular thing – it’s a combination of three powerful forces.

they come from different sources?

Guruji: it looks like it.

could we say that mind depends on dehi and prana?

Guruji: again I will say – dehi is a pilot or a driver who can combine all these forces together and work for some time.

body somehow depends on genetics, but mind?

Guruji: genetics is only our trying’s to understanding about the body. But body is just a vehicle, and a vehicle is there to take you somewhere specially – for enjoyment or to work or just for drive – that is the purpose of the vehicle. As we listen in that bhajan – body is the very complicated house where Narayana lives. In this house a prostitute is dancing and the man – the conscious mind – is singing with it. You see, they are describing three things: five elements are the bricks, three gunas are the cement, which they put together. They put the pillar of the air, which holds the house together and there Narayana is sleeping. Dehi is considered as a prostitute, who belongs to no one; and mind is so happy with it that it is just singing with it to supporting her dancing - and Narayana continues to sleep. The whole concept is – they are describing three forces already and the fourth is recreate the body for Narayana to sleeping. Somehow you must be able to keep the prostitute dancing for a longer time and to wake up Narayana finally. Then you’re home free. These three forces we can recognize inside us. And this is first time I see the example giving as a prostitute to a spirit or a dehi who comes. It belongs to no one, it can belong to anyone. It’s a very good example.

dehi is coming with the prana?

Guruji: dehi triggers the engine. Prana is like a fuel. No other lineage is actually discussing about it. Nobody is giving exact method how to invoke it to be able to see that. You will recognize the dehi, who is just a driver of your physical structure and if somehow you will be able to wake up Narayana, who is sleeping; Narayana, who sleep in the water – that is a literal translation. Your brain is floating in the water and 97-98% is sleeping – that is Narayana. And conscious mind is man who just sings with the dance of a prostitute.

DEHI PART 5 CONCLUSION

why breathing is the path?

Guruji: it provides fuel for your animation. That’s the object of breathe. That is to find a certain type of fuel, where oxygen will not be needed – like a nuclear fuel, and it will run on itself. Like perpetual motion or something.

slowly you try to reconstruct the engine for another type of fuel?

Guruji: yes. All possibilities are already there. Near twilight our discussion becomes better.

could we say that dehi is the universal program, animating everything, and by developing our consciousness we can hack the program?

Guruji: (laughing) you can make him a prisoner inside your house permanently or another approach is: somehow you can win over the heart of a prostitute – so it remain always yours. Romantic way is better, than making him a prisoner. And the method they give – by offering prana to apana and apana to prana.

do we need that? It’s like a game?

Guruji: maybe a challenge, not a game.

Dehi is from Alakh Niranjan, beyond carbon. The sound of vibration coming from everywhere – from empty space. Because of that vibration all the particles are dancing. Let’s say – the Void is playing the orchestra – so all the matter will dance on the tune. And Time is the conductor. This is good example, if you think on that.

could we see the embodiment of the mind, like dehi?

Guruji: of course, mind is expressing itself as consciousness. When it will be fully awaken – then I’m sure the structure – if we can call it structure – of the consciousness will become different. Like a child, when he grows up, looks different. It’s the same child – but look different.

could we see mind face to face?

Guruji: it is possible, because the second sutra of Yoga Darshan says: then the seer is established in his own form. They are talking about awaken mind. Mind is the seer from inside. Dehi just animating it. It’s a combination of three major forces. That’s why this Triveni Sangam in Prayag is considered the holiest of holy. Ganga, Jamuna, Saraswati – three; body has also three – ida, pingala, sushumna.

can we consider dehi like Shiva himself?

Guruji: jiva is Shiva, yes. It comes from beyond the carbon. Everything else is the play of Shakti. And every lover would love to please the lover, every husband somehow need to make a wife happy. Keep her entertain. All, except dehi, are expressions of Shakti.

real dehi is sleeping Narayana?

Guruji: no, he is the owner of the house. Dehi just comes, switching on the lights, provides electricity and everything, fuel into the car – that’s it. Caretaker. From poetic point of view you can say – Shiva is alone and Shakti is sleeping. He is trying somehow to awaken Shakti – so they will be together forever after that.

could we say that finally dehi and mind will be the one?

Guruji: they will merge together – that’s how the concept of Ardhanarishwar came. Male and female together.

when they are together – it’s a consciousness of the Void?

Guruji: I think it is already go far in the consciousness of the Time itself. If you’re becoming conscious of the Void – and consciousness of the Void is pretty high realization; you can’t just give a level of it – it’s very high awareness. Maybe I’m the first who discuss it – I’ve not seen it anywhere.

is it connected with hridaya and muladhar granthi?

Guruji: everything is the part of awakening of the mind. Back to description of Kriya yoga: you become aware of your mind, who is supporting it , then you go to the heart; how heart was created, you go to your nabhi; then you realize the importance of the earth element.

but if the person isn’t practicing – he will not understand

Guruji: no. first you need to become aware that it exists such type of practice; and you must have some understanding and ambitions to attract somehow this practice – then your awareness will begin. Otherwise – never disturb a normal person. No need to disturb his peace of mind. There is a story in our “Panchatantra” – everybody should read these stories, they like fables of Aesop – every story carries a moral.

The story is: there was one baya bird – the baya bird is the bird, who creates the house like a nest, by bringing different clast things together. They even create a different rooms and the toilet there; they catch fireflies to light up inside there – they are very intelligent, small birds. One time baya bird was sitting happily and cozy in her nest, it was raining, thunder – and she was very happy. Then the pair of monkeys came; there were some red flowers – and they think it might be hot coals, ambers; and they begin to blow on it to saw if the more fire will comes – it will warm them. And baya bird out of compassion said – no,no, they are just flowers; you should create a nest like me – and you will be comfortable. The monkeys ego was hurt and they became so angry: this idiot bird is giving us wisdom?! And they broke her nest and she suffered after that. The moral is: never ever give wisdom to the unprepared person – you will suffer. That is the result of their karma. Panchatantra is must read collection of the stories.

VASUDEVA

in Gita is said, that Vasudeva is living in the heart in his 4-armed form; also we discussed that when we could discard our own spirit, so we will reach the source which is also in the heart – and that is Ishwar in the heart; so are they one and the same?

Guruji: they are different.

so there is two forces in the heart?

Guruji: the spirit is serving inside. Ishwar is mentioned only in 18th chapter, when he is concluding Gita. Till then only spirit was discussed. Our spirit is like ghee in milk, it is everywhere. And a main source, which even gives power the spirit is in our heart.

then the question is: who is Vasudeva?

Guruji: the word “Vasu” means “spirit”. Vasudeva is our own spirit. Consult Sanskrit dictionary: the word “vasu” means immortal spirit, jivatma.

so when the yogin reaches the level of hridaya granthi – he starts to see his own spirit, not the Ishwar?

Guruji: from the day one, in yoni mudra – it’s your own spirit. Ishwar will take a very long time.

and if we will be so lucky to see that four-armed form in the heart?

Guruji: four vents in the heart – so four arms.

so it will be also our own spirit, but in another shape?

Guruji: yes. Ishwar is nowhere described.

he is mentioned only in 18th chapter: why it is so?

Guruji: because only after you will go through all those things – you will become of the presence of Ishwar in your heart. And we need to read it again: the Time is saying: Ishwar is there – but remain my devotee. It’s a catch there. Only with the support of Time you will reach Ishwar; and after Ishwar what you will do: you will passing the Time.

so this achievement, when we can leave our own spirit – it’s after all the three granthis?

Guruji: much- much after that. These three granthis are just like Ph.D. degree: you learning does not stop after your education is done: learning continues. It’s very complicated mysterious subject.

what is Alakh Niranjan?

Guruji: who is beyond this creation, beyond carbon. He maybe Ishwar, yes.

could we say that beyond our spirit which is Vasudeva, only Ishwar is?

Guruji: Ishwar is the creator of it.

between them it exists other forces or steps?

Guruji: nobody knows: maybe some senior spirits.

except our own spirit, it exists something like collective spirit?

Guruji: there are 7 billion plus human beings – so that much spirits are there. You cannot simply know each human being on this planet: general awareness is more than enough.

the notion “mahatma” is connected somehow with the collective consciousness or collective spirit?

Guruji: mahatma supposed to be the person, who knows his spirit and has achieved some greatness: such personality is called mahatma – in hindi and in Sanskrit also.

after we have achieved the level of knowing Vasudeva, communicate with our spirit or even become friends with our spirit; after that only Ishwar will remain for us to be known?

Guruji: and Time will continue to be there! Spirit will take you to Ishwar. You need introduction.

Your spirit is your god: so they have added “dev” with the “vasu”; word “vasu” in Sanskrit means jivatma – that is your immortal spirit. And general mistake is: son of Vasudeva can also be called Vasudeva: it is one of the names of Krishna also.

everybody has the same visions?

Guruji: it will depend on the individual; generally the appearance may be the same – but it will always depend on the individual karma, mental level – so many things. It is just like that: we are all human beings – same, but it’s still there so much varieties.

and after yogi achieves Samadhi?

Guruji: even then.

it depends on the source from where spirit comes?

Guruji: all the karmas been put on us, different births – everything clarifying so many things.

what does it mean – when you become one with your spirit?

Guruji: they’re saying it in Gorakhbodh: when in the city of 9 doors Hari will meet Brahma and then they become friends and they never go out of the city. Hari means “which takes away” and your spirit is Hari because it takes away the life: life comes with the spirit and leaves with the spirit.

When the spirit will be your mind inside the 9-doors city, which is the body, the friendship will begin and they will not leave the body. It maybe the beginning of the very long life, eternal life or immortality. That is the very amazing result. Not many achieves – but it worth time. Let’s try for immortality; let’s die on trying( laughing) immortality or mortality – we should be in a position to understand it; what is life and what is death and what is the common thing in life and death – then the different mental level will begin. Of course it takes a lot of time to understand; recently we read – but understanding develops next time. The word “kutastha” means immortal spirit.

Everyone says: I'm the spirit, I'm not the body: but they keep ignoring Ishwar!

first You told that soul is not a spirit; then You subdivide the jiva and Ishwar and the spirit: because for any religious person they are all together?

Guruji: yes, they don’t recognise.

so merging with the Ishwar is like plugging with the source?

Guruji: yes, directly: and the source is not outside, it’s inside!

is it the real changing of atma to the Paramatma?

Guruji: atma will introduce you to the Paramatma – after interviewing you and assessing your qualification.

so He is like an examinator for the body, the consciousness or for the mind?

Guruji: He’s the Originator.

what is it for the spirit?

Guruji: this is all for his entertainment: they are eternal beings – so they need entertainment for sure. Then they can join the club.

so if someone can communicate or make friendship with the spirit...?

Guruji: it could be the level up for the spirit; but we will need more research on it.

When You start to communicate with Your own spirit – it was continuously or he came by his wish?

Guruji: no, continuously: the different awareness will develop. It will drop you some idea – then just wait and watch. It is giving you life: so of course it continuously seeing us. But after Kriya yoga this thing changes: because nobody see them; but when you see – ok, he or she can see me now, so let’s see!( smiling).

the ghosts have the same reaction after they recognise that someone could see them?

Guruji: they are after that person. Their reaction is different.

but ghost has the spirit too?

Guruji: it’s in every living being: two of five elements continues to carry spirit – and the spirit comes beyond the carbon.

why exactly carbon was chosen as a base for the creation?

Guruji: Gorakhnath gave ashes from his dhuni – and carbon became the essence of the life.

You shew kutastha to Your dogs?

Guruji: yes – to all my dogs and monkey also. To my big bull and his son also.

it’s different from human’s?

Guruji: same.

and for other beings – apsaras or yakshis for example – how kutastha looks?

Guruji: I think essentially the spirit is the same. Only the way of communication may be different. That’s why they saying the source of life is one. But sources of the spirits may be different. From a distance somebody looking at us can say – or, they are all human beings, but each of us is different. Same way. When I was not having cows – all cows were looking same to me. Now I notice every cow as a very different personality with their own likes and dislikes – they all have their unique personalities. But from a distance – they look same.

BHAVANA – LIFE EMOTION FOR DEHI

He will consider immortal when he will find place in any side of immortal body. When the body is dying, brain is dying. Only the consciousness is moving away with dehi. They complement each other. Consciousness carries all experiences with the dehi.

so mind is immortal?

Guruji: no, mind is not immortal. Only the memory of the mind goes with dehi. Mind in its totality couldn’t exist without a brain. Not many yogis are talking about brain. Only we teach, how to develop your brain.

if we talk about dehi of someone who is in vayu sharira: how they are survive without consciousness?

Guruji: they have already develop to that level, it is not happen by chance. Look at the dedushka or a big tree; it stand to reason to understand that dedushka was conceived one day and he was born in a regular way, then he was a child and over the years now he is a dedushka. And a big tree which you see was just a seed once. It is understandable.

but how mind is connecting with vayu sharira?

Guruji: because dehi is there; and all the experience of this mind dehi carries forward there. The development remain fixed there. No more development: that’s why 5-elemental body considered extremely important. For a highly developed mind, when he gets a good vayu sharira, he is home free – he doesn’t have to take another birth, he will be considered as a big power there. Otherwise the thinking level will remain the same while they were alive.

that is dehi – who carries the consciousness?

Guruji: yes, of course. That is fantastic term in Ayurveda: to give emotion to a certain medicine – bhavana. When you’re preparing some medicine you extract the juice of the certain herb and you mix it and let it dry; then again make a powder, then again make some juice; it is like giving to the main substance the emotion of that particular herb. Same way dehi is giving the emotion of that particular life.

Main substance, whatever medicine are preparing: the more and more emotions it is receiving from different herbs – more powerful it becomes and more medicine value goes extremely high. It even becomes a rasayana. Dehi, who has gone through many different emotions, carrying many different emotions – bhavanas of so many lives – becomes very strong, very potent.

could dehi reject some of them like useless?

Guruji: once it is inside – you cannot reject it, it becomes the part of your own personality. It is like tempering the iron – like sword: you heat it up then put it in water, again heat it up. Iron is iron – but the emotion is different. I will quote Ayurveda again: in Ayurveda that was a system when a person receives the teachings from the teacher. The teacher asks him to go out and find the herb which has absolutely no use. And if he come back empty handed – he will be considered as the good ayurvedic doctor. Everything has its use, nothing is useless.

bound by delusion – jiva, freed from delusion – Sadashiva. You are cause and effect. Enlightenment is different from you?

Guruji: always. You will receive enlightenment: that means it is other from you now. We’re trying to discover the knowledge – that means it is not in us. All the tools are there, so you can know it, but it is somewhere else. Cause is karma and fruit of karma is the effect.

enlightenment is not effect of karma?

Guruji: it is beyond that. In this room enlightenment is easy: you switch on light and there is light. Suddenly the room is enlighten.

I had an idea that if we had not vayu sharir at all maybe after we leave the physical body, dehi will live only in akash body?

Guruji: dehi will simply go to its own place. They don’t need body – they just do their job: to create a combination and an animation of the physical body.

so if we will have no vayu sharir – the dehi will just go?

Guruji: and nothing remain. Only if merging with the Ishwar in your heart dehi will not needed at all. Final luxury- luxury to live.

in Gorakhbodh, Your comment to the shloka 20: the discovering of immortal soul with the help of knowing of the own spirit; it will affect amazingly the physical body giving the immortality to the owner; here the soul is the Ishwar in the heart and the spirit is dehi?

Guruji: dehi and soul is your body also: which is bound in death. Find the real meaning of the word “soul”: it is germanorigin – “which is bound in death”. Your body, physical body is bound in death. Here by the means of the spirit you will know the immortality of the body. If it will not leave your body – you will keep living.

WHO IS VASUDEVA?

we discussed that god lives in the heart; and also that if we can reach the source – we can discard our own spirit. The source is in the heart; and You said that is Ishwar in the heart. What is the difference between Vasudeva and Ishwar in the heart? Are they one and the same?

Guruji: no, they are different.

so there are two forces inside the heart?

Guruji: the spirit is serving inside. Ishwar is mentioned only in 18th chapter, when he is concluding Gita. Till then only spirit was discussed. Our spirit is like ghee in milk, it is everywhere. And the main source, which is even giving power to spirit is in our heart.

then who is Vasudeva?

Guruji: the word “vasu” means “spirit”.

so Vasudeva means our own spirit?

Guruji: yes! Consult Sanskrit dictionary: the word “vasu” means immortal spirit, jivatma.

the soul and spirit are one and the same?

Guruji: no, very different. When you’re giving your soul to the god – what does it mean?

you die?

Guruji: you die, and you are allowing that particular religion to do things with your dead body – that is giving of your soul. By doing things of your dead body your spirit may be controlled by someone. What is the difference in different religions? All their last rituals are different and somehow they affect the spirit. The word “soul” has a german origin – and it means “ which is bound in death”. Only your body is bound in death – your spirit is immortal. Joining particular religion means you’re signing a contract that after your death whatever they will do with your dead body – they’re free to do. Be careful here!

why not to say direct – I allow you to do everything with my body after death?

Guruji: to keep your mind in more romantic and sophisticated mood and give your imagination more ideas – so you will imagine that after death you will go to heaven. This is utopian thought: who goes to heaven? They are all waiting for judgement day. Heaven is empty, hell is empty. Only yoga gives you the third option.

if you’re not belonging to any religion – your spirit is free?

Guruji: I will tell in my foreword in Gorakhbodh: true spirituality does not depend on religious beliefs or individual faith. It’s absolutely different thing. God created this, god created that – but who created spirit? No religion mentions it. They have their own nature – that is the biggest mystery. That’s why we keep stressing: make your spirit your friend; only your spirit may tell you things from beyond.

so spirit is absolutely free?

Guruji: only problem is how to control it. The simplest method – produce a child.

but it’s for other spirit?

Guruji: for your own is only yoga practice.

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SELF AND SOUL

what is the difference between the self and the soul?

Guruji: because of the soul you have the feeling of self. Soul is here to give you life. And life gives you consciousness. And consciousness gives you the feeling of being, that – yes, I am, I’m existing; so soul maybe the reason of this. But soul has its own identity. Don’t confuse with the soul’s identity and your identity: they are two separate things. Elementary, my dear Watson!(smiling)

the body affects the spirit or the spirit affects the body? For example – like killer or priest?

Guruji: sometimes priests are the worst killers. It comes from the spirit. Dead body can do nothing. It’s so mixed together: if you remove all thieves, all criminals – then there will be no use of policemans or priests. Everything has purpose.

so spirit is the first; but you said – body is like the book?

Guruji: and as a book doesn’t know, who is reading it or what is written in it – only the reader knows, so you don’t know what is inside you – only your spirit knows.

and possible to spirit – write this book?

Guruji: some great spirits – yes. No book is writing itself – somebody’s writing it.

ATMA AND PARAMATMA

one very famous statement about two birds: one is eating sweet berry and another observes – about what it is?

Guruji: yes, it’s also in Upanishadas. That means Paramatma and atma. Atma is enjoying pleasures and Paramatma is just sitting up there.

Vasudeva is in the heart, God is in the heart: so brain is like a device to know the God?

Guruji: that is your consciousness; and consciousness can be your spirit also: uniting atma and Paramatma is the name of the game. First you prepare your atma – so the Paramatmawill accept it. And what is the final liberation? When you won’t even need your spirit to remain alive: because you have already reached to the source of life, which lives inside your heart – Ishwar Himself – and that will be the final exorcism, where even your spirit will not be able to possess you. That is the final liberation! He is already billions years old: he has only one job – he gives us life and takes it away. And Narayana – or Ishwar – is already sleeping inside your heart: nobody is bothering about it, nobody cares about it to wake him up. We were concentrated on spirit and keep ignoring Ishwar inside our heart; and you have to remember, that only in 18th chapter in Gita Ishwar is mentioned. Till then – only atma.

could I ask You about our spirit?

Guruji: it is not exactly ours: it is just coming from somewhere and going back somewhere.

it exists some kind of reality that is always in the shade – we can never saw them?

Guruji: it’s a scientific fact that 99,9% of your physicality is just empty space – but who is perceiving it? It is real, but we don’t see it. So we cannot see 99% of reality and 1% is also a reflection of light, so it is just an illusion. Most of the wisemen of the past: they were saying – it’s all maya, it’s all illusion; they were giving the very accurate statement. That’s why consciousness of the Void is very important to achieve. Then you will have some glimpses of reality. Otherwise – what is real?

so first you will become aware of the existence of the Void and only then you will become aware of the existence of its consciousness?

Guruji: yes; it is very big achievement: to be aware of the Void first. Then after many years of that awareness you start to realise that it is conscious.

TO CAUGHT YOUR DEHI

nada becoming from the mind?

Guruji: from the void – mind will become aware of it. When you’re listening some symphony or some music – it’s not coming from your mind, your mind is just listening to it. Void is everywhere – inside you and outside you also. Not everything is in your mind – it’s a big world outside.

mind have more freedom then dehi – it can travel everywhere?

Guruji: it is sleeping! Only after awakening mind experiencing some freedom.

can we say that Мшыртг and Shakti are the same – about the mind?

Guruji: we can give that example also.

why they are separate if this is the same force?

Guruji: they are not separated: Goddess Lakshmi is sitting with him and he is sleeping. Symbolically – the subconscious mind is sleeping and the conscious mind is taking care of it. And the snake: mind looks like a coiled snake. Conscious mind is taking care of everything. Lakshmi represents conscious mind. Who need to wake up Narayana? There is a line of one very famous bhajan; in Gorakhbodh we established, that dehi also called “hamsa”. All Indians know, that Manasarowar lake – there are so many pulse and the hamsas – swans – go there. But if you somehow caught your dehi – the hamsa – that so many pulse of wisdom will grow on the lake of your mind is floating. Go there, find out the pulse of wisdom: that will entice the dehi and it will continue to explore the lake of the mind – Manasarowar; then one day Narayana maybe also wake up. It’s very symbolic thing.

Dehi is from Alakh Niranjan, beyond carbon.

so the sound of vibration is coming from the mind or from the body?

Guruji: from everywhere – from empty space it is coming. Because of that vibration all the particles are dancing. Let’s say – the void is playing the orchestra and the matter will dance on the tune. And Time is the conductor.

could we see the embodiment of the mind like dehi we see?

Guruji: of course – mind is expressing itself as consciousness. When it will be fully awaken – I’m sure the structure( if we can call it a structure) of the consciousness will become different. Like a child: when he grows up – looks different. He’s the same child – but look different.

but you couldn’t see mind face to face like you see dehi in practice?

Guruji: it is possible, because 2 nd sutra of Yoga Darshan says: then the seer is established in its own form – that is they are talking about awaken mind. Mind is the seer from inside, dehi just animating it. It’s a combination of three major forces. That’s why Triveni sangam in Prayag is considered as holiest of holy: Ganga, Jamuna, Saraswati – three; body is also three – ida, pingala, sushumna.

can we consider dehi as Shiva himself?

Guruji: jiva is Shiva, yes. He comes from beyond the carbon. And all everything else is the play of Shakti. Every lover would like to please the lover, every husband somehow need to make a wife happy, keep her entertain.

so mind can be called Shakti?

Guruji: they are all expressions of Shakti except dehi.

real dehi is the sleeping Narayana?

Guruji: no, he’s the owner of the house. Dehi just comes, switches on the lights, provides electricity and everything, fuel into the car – that’s it. Caretaker. From poetic point of view you can say – Shiva is alone, Shakti is sleeping; He’s trying somehow to awaking Shakti – so they will be together forever after that.

in the final stage the mind and dehi will be one and the same?

Guruji: they will merge together – that’s how the concept of Ardhanarishwar came, male and female together.

when the mind and dehi are together – it’s the consciousness of the void?

Guruji: you’ve already go far in the consciousness of the Time itself.

on what stage we will be aware of the consciousness of the void?

Guruji: if you’re becoming conscious of the void – consciousness of the Void is pretty high realization. We cannot give the level of this state – it’s very high awareness. And maybe I’m the first one to discuss about it.

is it connected with untying of Hridaya and Muladhar granthi?

so consciousness is not travelling, connected with the spirit – it’s just coming to the body?

Guruji: it remains a mystery: it is just like when you go through something – you take the flavour of that thing with you. Maybe consciousness is like a flavour to the spirit, of that particular person; when they come back – the flavour comes with them.

SUPERNATURAL

TALKS ABOUT DEHI

Guruji, who create atma?

Guruji: they are immortal – without

beginning and without end; so the consciousness is without beginning and

without an end.

consciousness is a part of Shakti?

Guruji: consciousness is Shakti herself.

We are using that word – consciousness – but how many people actually

understand, what is consciousness? That’s why we’re trying to develop it so we

can understand one day. Matsyendranath answers, what is chetan? – like a

fragrance of a flower.

why in ancient texts of Matsyendranath kutastha is not mentioned?

Guruji: but he is talking about chetan and

atma. Kutastha is the specific term for atma; otherwise atma goes into so

many different things. Kutastha means exactly that!

why they didn’t describe this circle?

Guruji:

because they are already immortal: that is not instructions manual – that is their discussion, a reference

book for the accomplished yogis.

When you’re

reading the very literary work and somebody is asking – why they not describing

how to write a, they are not mentioning any grammar there – it is like that. It’s

so natural for them and so supernatural to us.

I’m sure

they must be feeling. (conversation about the spirit)

if he’s feeling – I’m feeling too?

Guruji: not necessarily. They have their

own club.

if we feel some energy in vertebra – it means it is some energy of dehi?

Guruji: it may becoming from the food or

drink you’re taken. When you have eaten some food – it also becomes dehi, which

is inside you.

where is my dehi after my death?

Guruji: it goes away in your vayu sharira.

and where is my vayu sharira?

Guruji: depending on how much you were

develop yourself: you’ll find that level there and you will reach there .

dehi always leaves in vayu sharira?

Guruji: yes, he’s essence of any body or

any life. Even ghosts have dehi.

what is ghost?

Guruji: vayu sharira( smiling)

is it exists different types of ghosts?

Guruji: I mean most of the ghosts – they

are like vayu, like air; air element and akash element form their body, so in

hindi we simply call it vayu sharira. But the ghost is the ghost.

so if someone is very developed like You…

Guruji: oh, I’m just starting on the path

it means that we’re talking with Your dehi?

Guruji: you’re talking with me. My dehi is

resting somewhere.

but maybe some connection with dehi?

Guruji: I’m aware of his presence, yes. Recently

I’ve introduced myself and waiting for the response now.

You’re saying like it’s separate consciousness…

Guruji : yes. Because you have not a

good relationship with that and you have no control of its coming and going

from you: that makes me feel that he doesn’t care. It is upon us – to somehow

make it care. And the only care will come… please, lift your left

hand.(disciple lifts) see – this is care: we already know each other, you have

enough faith so when I say: lift your left hand – you lifted it without asking

anything. This sort of communication, when will start with dehi – then true

belief on each other and true friendship will begin. Now because he’s

temporarily inside you and he knows that after certain time he ready to leave

you – so they don’t want any emotional entanglement. We must somehow be able to

form a communication, then some friendship will begin. That’s why I like

“Arabian nights”: you keep creating interesting stories to dehi and it will

continue to listen to you. It is the best example.

if You are friends with Your dehi – why You’re saying about it like it’s separate?

Guruji: he is separate. You’re friends with

yourself first, then you can be friends with others also. If I’m slightly

beginning to know my own consciousness – then dehi also will notice. It

takes time for the friendship to grow. When we introduce ourselves to

someone or someone introduces to us – from that moment friendship doesn’t

started, it takes quite some time. Till then it is mere acquaintance, he just know.

we have individual characters: are these characters go from our dehi?

Guruji: consciousness and dehi makes

jivatma. Consciousness is there, which makes us different than others.

it means my subconsciousness feels the individual character of dehi?

Guruji: no, it is just sleeping and dehi is

waiting that if your conscious mind is able to wake it up – then it will be

some interest for the dehi to talk. It’s a complicated program: you need to

introduce yourself to the jiva, which is there, and also you need to wake up

your subconscious mind: so there will be somebody who will be able to talk with

the jiva on the same level – only then friendship will develop. We’re trying to

achieve these two things: to wake up our sleeping mind and also to introduce ourselves

to the jiva. Don’t you think – the awakening of your subconscious mind and

awakening of kundalini is one and the same thing? Both needs awakening.

part of our subconscious mind is situated in the earth element in muladhara chakra?

Guruji: main power is in earth element,

yes. The spinal cord is an extension of the brain, it’s not a separate thing.

so if I don’t know my dehi…

Guruji: but you’re aware of it. Simple

thing that you’re alive means you’re aware of a dehi inside you.

but that means that until I know – I’m not the individuality?

Guruji: you’re individual and it has

separate individuality. Only it is providing you with life.

If you go deeply to the origin of the word soul – it means “ which is bound in death”. Nobody is talking about spirit. And when you are surrendering your soul to the certain god, when you’re receiving baptism, that means that you are allowing that particular religion to do things with your dead body. So they may control your spirit. I think soul and body are one and the same. When we use a word we should also go to enough research to find out the exact meaning of that particular word. Assuming something that it will be like that will be always misleading. And in Christianity there is a term – “holy ghost”. Who is holy ghost?

the death is meaning for the new birth?

Guruji: quotation from “Dracula untold”: why distinguish one life from another, when the next is just a continuation from the last? Movies are great teachers.

Scientific knowledge: one gram of your genome is carrying more than four billions gigabytes of information. So this is billions and billions gigabytes of information is stored in everybody. So your body is like a book or a computer. And a book is not aware what is written inside, only the reader knows. Only the spirit knows, what information is there and what a story is written here. When it will read – it will go. The emotions are just the reflections of your genetic condition. What else? All the stories is written in genome. It is like samskaras.

but Kriya yoga can change it?

Guruji: it can give you enough ability to keep writing interesting stories so the spirit will continue to read. Like the 1001 nights.

and when the story ends?

Guruji: the spirit will go.

So it's not the decision of the spirit that you can connect with the source?

Guruji: It’s Ishwar inside your heart that will decide! We keep on talking about spirit and we keep ignoring Ishwar, which is already inside your heart. We discussed so much: now it is time to pay some attention to the Ishwar who lives in our heart. That is the source, main source.

How does it come to our heart? With the spirit or even before?

Guruji: You call it Ishwar or you call it prana. Isha: the most prosperous woman; and I said – Earth is the most prosperous lady, who is her husband. Body is considered as earthly: so the husband lives in the heart ( smiling ), Ishwar.

So: first developing the consciousness and then – rising of Kundalini, finding the true meaning of the earth element?

Guruji: Yes

Then – recognize the consciousness of the Earth?

Guruji: First you recognize the consciousness of Earth, then the power will come.

Then to merge with the consciousness of the Earth and decide?

Guruji: Then you will realise the var of Earth: “var” means the husband or the companion of Earth. And the power of Earth will introduce you to him.

On that stage you took the decision to attain nirvana or to stay with the Earth?

Guruji: They say – merge with the god, which is inside your heart – so you don’t have to go anywhere. Going inside your heart is a more difficult journey than to go anywhere else.

Guruji, from the beginning who forces the human to practice yoga?

Guruji: Nobody. It is our curious nature.

Every spirit lives for billions of years…

Guruji: Yes, and they have no interest in our life: they give us life – how we use our life is up to us. And it is very good – we have a very curious nature and keep searching for different things; and then the very wise thinkers – they come to this: why are we here? Who are we?

Does it depend on some traces of consciousness which spirit carries from previous life?

Guruji: No, nothing. It’s your own consciousness.

But spirit brings some samskaras?

Guruji: Nothing: just gives life.

Where do the habits and likes and dislikes from the past life come from?

Guruji: They are in your mind. But not always that impulse to develop. It’s a very complicated thing.

Spirit inside us…

if we evolved in our life – our spirit also evolves?

Guruji: they are already immortal, eternal, endless – they are living for billions of years. Their evolution we cannot imagine.

but You said that somebody takes spirits for education?

Guruji: for their education and entertainment. education is not like we understand education.

the possibilities of spirit is the same in every incarnation?

Guruji: but every body teaches different things; we all are carrying some different information.

spirit of great god and of ordinary person…?

Guruji: spirit is spirit. Of the great god or of the normal person – spirit is spirit. He or she is experiencing, how it is to be inside a great god and how it is – to be inside a normal person. Spirits are same.

but time to time You say – powerful spirit?

Guruji: that is from our point of view, not from spirits’ point of view. The sources, from they are coming – they are different.

if we take bhut or pishach?

Guruji: they also have spirit inside; but they were born different. Their spirits are more powerful than ordinary person.

generally – it is possible for spirit to evolve?

Guruji: they can take birth anywhere – from man to pishach. It’s their play.

ok, we’re practicing yoga, do tapas, do so many things – let’s imagine the situation that one day we become Kali ganas or even ShivaJi ganas: is it the development of the spirit?

Guruji: it is development of your consciousness. Spirit is the carrier of it. It’s complicated. You will become a ghost – spirit is already spirit.

ghost and spirit are different?

Guruji: ghost is the carrier of the spirit also. Going in to religion: who is going to heaven? – ghosts are going into heaven or hell. After death – ghosts.

in Christianity it is said that spirit is coming to you from the god?

Guruji: is it mentioned in bible, who created the spirit? It is just an assumption, that spirit is coming from god. It is not mentioned in any religious book, who created the spirit. You have to be very clear – what is your spirit and what is your soul. Why god is after your soul, why devil is after your soul? They don’t talk about the spirit.

When you was a child: did you have a choice, which school you will go or your parents decide it? We don’t have a choice – but we can make the best we have. One thing I like from profit Muhammad: one of his disciples asked – what choice do we have? He said: lift your leg. And he lifted his right leg. He said – now lift your another leg. He said: but I will fall down. Muhammad said: only this choice you have – which one of the leg lift first. Whatever else – there is no choice. All god’s will.

Clothes not can be man; that’s why physical body doesn’t make it spirit. Physical body is like clothes to a spirit. That’s a difference. Hindus believes in reincarnation: spirit is free to take new clothes all the time. If you’re not taking another birth – that means you’re going to live naked, till eternity – which is the very bad idea.

You are alive, that means your spirit is inside. Your mother and father came together to create your body, but they didn't give birth to your spirit, it came from somewhere, just to provide life. And one day it will take it away.

Your soul or your spirit gives you life. When you have life, life gives you consciousness. And with the consciousness, I am, best feeling comes.

Shiva & Shakti.

…soul is Shakti and a spirit is Shiva. In India we gave two names for them: jiva and atma. Together they are called jivatma. Half-man, half-woman – Ardhanarishwar. Jiva considered as Shiva – that’s why it’s immortal. And only in the body the union takes place. According to puranas, it is always Shakti, who is doing hard tapas to get Shiva. Here you can say soul is synonym for a physical body also. You are jivatma; but jiva is immortal, so at the time of physical death it moves on, takes on another atma. So maybe they are doing tapas for the final union.