Knowledge, information and wisdom

THERE IS NO KARMA INVOLVED IN IGNORANCE – ONLY THE LACK OF QUESTION

There are three terms in indian mythology or let’s say in indian philosophy: seeker – gasu; siddha, muni and rishi.

Seeker is the one who is trying to find some question: he has no question, but he’s curious –but no question is forming in his mind.

Siddha is one, who us sure, everything is clear in his mind, - and the question in his mind is crystal clear.

Muni is the one, who keeps on pondering on the question to find the answer. He go into silent, because he’s too much thinking to finding the answer and trying to understand the question.

And rishi is – who is found the answer.

In my opinion this might be the thing.

This is another realization of the day: nobody has the question actually.

To realize the question – you’re the siddha from that day, because you know – what is your question. You’re pondering on it to find the answer – you’re a muni then. The day you found the answer – you’re rishi. Find a question! Not many people have questions. I mean the genuine, deep down questions. That is the great realization.

There is no karma involved in ignorance – only the lack of question. That’s why you’re discussing; the moment you realized the question – your journey for self-realization begins. Not many people knows exactly what they want and what question they should have. It’s the turning point: to find the right question finally and then starts seeking for the answer. If you won’t have any question – no answer will come your way. Even answer will come your way – you will not even recognizing, what you’re receive. Most of the yogis wait for the right question.

and the need for investigation?

Guruji: if the person had no question – what he will investigate? There is no motive for investigation. There are motives for investing money – invest – but for investigation – no motive. Only your mind – if it will open up – some questions will become extremely important and finding the answers may become the goal and purpose of your life: then the journey will begin. Not till then. Ignorance is bliss.

NORMAL AND SUBNORMAL

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Can You say over the years that someone is very close or someone reached it?

Guruji: I will say — the level of discussions is now very different and very high; in those days people were asking from whatever books they had read: they were not practicing to the level nowadays we are practicing. Questions were different. I’ve completed more than 40 years of yoga practice — 42 years, a long-long time.

Did You have the feeling that You know everything?

Guruji: No, never! I think my mindset is very different than a normal person — but I think I’m normal. Most of the people are subnormal.

I was not a very talkative person — and now I’m always talking. Maybe some time comes, when we need to talk — and you need good questions and good people asking those questions from their level: only then some good talks will come. And we have got some hilarious moments also: one of my relatives asked me — many of them were not aware what I’m doing: “what have you done in yoga?” I said: not much. — yes, yes, we knew it! (laughing)

Now some breathing techniques like kapalabhati are very popular because they are affecting consciousness so much?

Guruji: It is popular now — then this fashion will pass and new will come.

But it really changes your mind.

Guruji: Anything can change your mind! A good slap on the road is enough to change your mental state. For free! And it will be a moment of self-realisation: when I’m slapped on the road — how I feel? It’s realization, real realization.

Now from my level of understanding I think that one consciousness can meet the other one only by some communication — like talking for example?

Guruji: How water will merge into another water? Imagine the cup of water; how it will merge in the greater body of the water? By crossing the limits. Then only you will merge. That’s why I keep telling: go beyond your physical limits!

There is a word used by Matsyendranath — in Hindi also: avagati, avagat hojan. Suddenly becoming aware: that is cognition. Recognition is when because of your memory you are able to recognize something. But becoming aware is instant, on the spot.

Only after Atit Ghat we will have this ability?

Guruji: I think so, yes. When whatever you observing is not depending on your memory or something you have read before. That awareness can be called cognition.

INFORMATION FOOD

The question was that sometimes the practice is good and sometimes it’s not so good; so I was saying that: you need to analyze the food which you have eaten in the last 36 hours. It will have a direct effect on your mood and your physical condition and affect the practice. Then they said that information is the food for thoughts; so I said: you need to be very careful in assimilating the information in your mind. Because if you get the food that bothers your mind because of the information – that is a much more serious problem than physical food eaten. Be careful about that! That is the only antibiotic you will have.

Just not react to the information?

Guruji: B y understanding that you should reject it and it should not be part of our system. See, remaining aware of some information is ok; but if you take it too seriously – it will become part of your daily behavior and life: then it’s a serious problem. You need to learn to differentiate in that. It is “in-formation”, which is not formed yet, but it is forming; so don’t give it a particular form in your mind, that’s the point.

Could we reject it on the physical level – back to the person, who is trying to apply it?

Guruji: You cannot reject information when you see something and listen to something. The point is how you digest it.

Ok, if someone is constantly coming to you and complaining about everything: could I say – please, don’t come to me any more?

Guruji: No, you should learn to insulate yourself: so he will be more influenced than you by him. We cannot avoid everything in this world. I have very high respect for them (about Krishnaits); but the moment they try to say that our heaven is better than yours. Then it’s a problem. They are all good people.

I want to ask about their food – how will it affect them?

Guruji: It's very pure, yes.

But I remember one cook that made some sweets – and I cannot eat because he chanted mantras while he was doing it?

Guruji: Maybe his own sweat was on that – that is the main problem, not the mantra. We have so many sweets and every sweet has a different flavor: because the sweat of every sweet maker has a different flavor. They’re giving this sweat while cooking. Pure hand made!

I remember that once when I had a very bad state of mood I was given krishnaits prasad – and suddenly my mood changed and became very peaceful and good?

Guruji: Maybe some very good person did that. Whatever they are doing – they are providing pure vegetarian food and we should be thankful for this.

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Definition of wisdom

My very-very good friend, he was much senior than me that years. He was grand- grand son of Lahiri Mahasaya himself. His name was Shri Banamali. he use to be professor in Benares university, and when I was go to Benares – I visit him, he was living as a retired professor. We was sitting in the room of Lahiri Mahasaya where he use to sit – and we discuss. He use to give the very great definition of what is wisdom. When you become aware of ignorance – that is the beginning of wisdom. The more you know – the more you become aware what you don’t know. That is wisdom. I remember B.Lahiri – he was the great person, great mentor and great friend. I hope he is in the very-very good place now.

This question was asked by one of disciple after seen this video.

We are discussing intelligently.

Guruji, you just described the transformation of the amateur into a master.

Guruji: I just described it.

REAL WISDOM.

Guruji, what do you think, what is really wisdom?

Guruji: Well, I will say, extremely refined emotion , and even more deeply refined thoughts and feelings can be called wisdom.

We spend our lifetimes surfing on the waves of the ocean of consciousness , thoughts and emotions.

And we keep ignoring the depth which is under your feet. When we go deeper, then you will begin to experience real refined emotions and refined feelings.

You need to have depth in thinking.

Think on that.

IGNORANCE IS NOT INNOCENCE!

There is a theory that during the Age of Discovery, Native Americans were unable to perceive the arriving ships of the conquerors until direct contact occurred — simply because such a thing as a ship did not exist within the framework of their consciousness.

If this is true, can we then suppose that an ordinary person, for the very same reason, fails to perceive the subtle world?

Guruji: I think they had no information that other people might exist beyond the ocean. But we are in a better situation, because we have been incarnated — our spirit has come from the other side, so we are carrying that hidden information inside us.

It is up to us: if you are adventurous enough, you may access this information, which is already within you, in the form of your spirit.

And the defeat of the American Indians also teaches us:

you should remain aware of the world, of what’s going on in the world — it is very important.

Ignorance is not innocence!

COLLECT INFORMATION

now it is very popular among people to collect any knowledge which they can – but it also creates a lot of confusion; so we need Your advice: to collect every knowledge that we can – or it must be in some doses?

Guruji: knowledge is just information. How you process it – this is your problem.

Never let printed words replace your own thinking. They are just pointers, on whom you can ponder and thinking.

Writer is writing from his mental state – whatever level he was; reader is reading from his own mental level; if they are not almost the equal level - there will be misunderstanding.

DIGESTION THE SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE

They ask me question, and the answer is: when you eat food – it doesn’t digest instantly; but the process of digestion begins. Similarly, when you go through some great spiritual experience – you will not understand it immediately; but the process of understanding will begin with the experience. So we must have patience.

The process of understanding takes time. The real understanding is called wisdom. Knowledge you can get from reading any book, from hearing someone’s talk – that is just information. Wisdom will come only with experience. Knowledge are more like guidelines.

DEVELOP YOUR MIND, CULTIVATE YOUR IMAGINATION

The power of your mother is sleeping inside after the cord was cut- or the power of the woman is sleeping in your nabhi, and it created your whole body. It has its own consciousness.

how to understand it?

Guruji: in Kriya you already learn; as you will continue to do – slowly, understanding takes quite a lot of time. The understanding is not so understanding; that it is able to understand itself.

There are two words in English: recognition and cognition; yogis concentrate more on cognition – after their level is a little bit developed. So instead of 2% they are able to develop 2,000001%: then they begin to perceive. And I’m amazed; - of course many disciples agree to it – but it is difficult to make people understand that it is your brain which is knowing everything. And you need to develop it.

Even in life for success – you have to have brain. But most of the people are following Kabir das thing: actually he was meaning about the body: without doing anything wrong with the body he returned it exactly in the new condition to the god. But I see many people keep the brain intact, unused – and they return it in perfect condition to the god. And we need to use it to the limit.

Many wise people in India have tried to convey this thing; somebody gave this example – he was a great person: that two disciples were given sitar, to keep it in good condition. One disciple was dusting it every day and kept it clean; other disciple started to play it and became the very accomplished music player; and his sitar also was used and remain absolutely intact.

That’s up to you: how you use the things which you have been given.

One father testing his two sons gave them – let’s say, one rupee each; he simply said: do something- so the whole community will receive something. One son became very angry: with one rupee what I can do? Other person was intelligent; he just bought some incenses in 1 rupee, burn them and just went around the community and everybody felt - how he shared. It is in the brain, and creative brain. And for creativity you must have a highly developed imagination. No imagination – no creativity. So, use whatever you have – to the best.

WISDOM AND AWARENESS

what is wisdom?

Guruji: wisdom is something you learn out of your experience.

what is experience? That was just happened with you?

Guruji: first you reading the information. Then the information which is “in formation” forms completely inside your consciousness and also it extends to experience – then you can call it wisdom. See the word in-formation – which is in the process of forming. Till then it is just information. When it is formed completely inside your mind because you spend enough time on pondering and thinking, assimilating inside you; then if you’re able to experience it somehow also – then it will be called wisdom.

can it happen in opposite way?

Guruji: yes, of course. Basis of this thing is experience. Then it may take some time to understand of what you have experienced. Sometimes it took years just to understand one experience. Then only, when understanding will come – then it will be wisdom. It is your awareness and your exposure to certain things; and awareness and exposure are inside your own consciousness. It goes deep down inside your consciousness and came up with something. Awareness also – you become aware of essence of something. It always happens like this: nobody are conscious enough to understand the experience they have – it always takes time. To digest it, to assimilate it, to understand it. I will give you an example: it is a word in hindi for a man – a man is called “vyakti”. After many years of practicing yoga I’ve realized, that vyakti means expression, who has been expressed. That is amazing meaning of a man. We called him vyakti – who has been expressed. But millions of Indians are using with word without aware, just think it’s a man. In no other language I’ve come across this.

and adami and manushya?

Guruji: adami is from Middle East, the descendant of Adam. We are descendants of Many – so we are called Manushya.

Guruji: only with your own discrimination by developing your buddhi top a certain level when it becomes ritambhara – as Yoga Darshan says: only then you will begin to understand what is what.

but it requires that vision which not depends on light?

Guruji: of course, yes. We see with our understanding also. Even in language: do you see now? - yes, with the mind we see.

what does the quality of the light depends on?

Guruji: source! Whatever the source is – the quality of light will depend on it.

in the case of light could we say that the source remains always still?

Guruji: no, it may be moving all the time.

yes, the Sun is moving…

Guruji: Sun is a different phenomenon. It is giving us light, of course; but don’t you think that all solar system might be working on solar energy? It looks like it. That’s why there are so many different objects – big suns, smaller suns, reflector of sunlight – Moon.

why when we’re going higher in the mountains – the temperature is low but if we go deeper inside the earth – the temperature rising?

Guruji: she is soaking up Sun’s energy, preserving it. Earth is drinking that energy.

go back to our discussion on déjà vu and about the scenario of our life: that the script is already done; so déjà vu is like bugs in program? Why it happens?

Guruji: maybe it is a way to convey some information – that some things are beyond general understanding.

it is considered as a help to a consciousness from the other side?

Guruji: no, it is the message that you had a previous birth and that will be another birth so some memories will always remain. For Hindus it’s a normal thing.

3.BODY IS A SMALL BIT POWER OF THE ORIGIN

kala shariram: how we can translate it? Like the body of time?

Guruji: the fifteen phases of Moon: they are called kal’a. Different expressions of your being can be called kala. Kal’a also mean “art”. Artist in hindi and Sanskrit is called kalakar. Kal’a is the great art, which is being expressed to the world. And there are 8.4 million yonis; so their expression is this body – different art , expressive art is the body.

could we say that body like supporter of consciousness is the greatest mean to know the Time itself?

Guruji: but then body itself is a bundle of information! Billions and trillions of gigabytes of information is stored in our body. Body is like a book. Body is not like bag of flesh and bones, it is carrying great information.

But – it is a representation of the past: body is representing the past. There is another point here: the more you will study past – the more you will become aware of the present also. And maybe even for a better future; but yogis gone beyond that: they subtract the past and begin to cognize.

but when we will subtract all the past and Atit ghat will stop?

Guruji: only cognition will remain, no recognition will be there.

but what will happen with the body? Body will still represent the past then?

Guruji: no, it will be transformed to the super electric body. You cannot say: this electricity is old and that is new; they are almost same.

the body will represent present in that moment?

Guruji: after Atit ghat has taken place – yes. Ever present. I will remind you again: the moment of present is present in the past also and it is present in the future also – and it represented as there also.

Once you are established in the moment of present – you are in all three times.

38. ATTAINING PERFECTION BY THE ENVELOPE OF IGNORANCE

how it is possible to attain perfection with the help of ignorance?

Guruji: by realising what is ignorance; what will remain – will be perfection. If you don’t know the true nature of ignorance – how you will know, what is wisdom? Maybe wisdom begins from the moment you realise your ignorance: that is the trigger point for wisdom.

could we say that body is the envelope of ignorance?

Guruji: because our very small conscious mind is not able to understand its great mystery and divinity at the same time. Body is the mother of the consciousness; that gives us a very great status; but we keep thinking it is just flesh and bones or bag of shit. That is illusion.

every new skill make a new neuron connection in our brain…

Guruji: but then there is a limit for learning skills. How many skills you have continued to learn? If you live for 1000 years – than maybe.

I’ve read that in some kind of tantric initiation the disciple is throwing the flower to Shiva’s statue; if it reaches the upper half of the body – Guru teaches him Shiva’s mantra, otherwise – Shakti mantra?

Guruji: I think those Guru who can not decide what to teach his disciples – it’s just an entertainment.

KNOWLEDGE OR WISDOM

what is gyana siddhi?

Guruji: when you have perfected your mind – that is the literal translation of the word. When you have perfected your knowledge means you have gone too deep into the subject and nothing remains more for you to know about it. It will be called gyana siddhi. Knowledge of this particular subject is perfect now.

the knowledge will become a wisdom?

Guruji: only then it will become a wisdom: perfect knowledge can be called wisdom. Have you noticed the difference between the knowledgeable person and the wise person?

wisdom is the knowledge with experience – like You say some time back?

Guruji: yes. Knowledge is just collection of information. Information: which is not formed, but just is in formation. That is knowledge – when it is information. When it formed completely – then it will be called wisdom. Knowledge is the beginning of it, the starting point.

what if you realized that knowledge is bondage?

Guruji: it is written in Shiva sutras. Knowledge is bondage if you remain just going into circles of some information and thinking “I’m a very knowledgeable person”. You have to break this circle and then perfect it and become wise. Till then it will always be a bondage.

There is a story – I think in Sanskrit; three knowledgeable pandits were coming back – they compare here the practical wisdom and the bookish knowledge. They found a man who was going in the same direction – he was grassroots level man. And they found some bones there. One great pandit, knowledgeable man said: I can connect them together and make the skeleton whole. And he did that. The second man said – I have enough knowledge to create all the muscles and nervous system and everything including skin – and he did that. Then the third person said: I can bring him back to life. Grassroots man said: please, let me climb a tree first. Pandit brought him back to life, it was a lion, and he killed them all. But the grassroots man level recognized it is a lion and climb the tree first.

Instinct for survive . So if you’re carrying the information – you also must know, what you’re doing. They were so much into knowledge and learning so they forgot what lion can do. He is the top of the food chain – it’s grassroots level wisdom which are extremely important for surviving. They were great scientists, they could do that – but they failed to recognize lion.

Another story about three pandits – very educated and they were going somewhere. They reached crossroad and didn’t know where to go. There was a businessman, dead, they were carrying him for cremation. In India the very rich businessman is called “Mahajan”. Mahajan can be literally translated as great person. These three pandits said: it is written in books that always follow the way the great man go. So they begin to follow the dead body and reached the cremation area. They stop there again; somehow big camel went there. One pandit said: whoever supports you in a cremation area or in a court of the king – he is your real friend. What should we do? We should hug the friend – and they begin to hug the camel. Then the camel owner came and beat them: he thought they want to steal him. then they feel very hungry – what to do? Somewhere nearby some malpuas were cooked; malpua is the very sweet thing, made from flour and fried in a pure ghee and so many holes appears in it. So the man who was cooking it saw these three brahmins are hungry – so he offered them. Then another brahmin said: no, you should leave everything which has so many holes. (that means if something is not good and not so perfect – you should not use it). So they refused malpuas. Then it was very strong current river there and they need to cross over; how should they cross? Then it is said: when a person is drowning – even a blade of grass can support him. so a blade of grass was floating in the river; one man jump and immediately begin to drown. Two pandits on the bank said: what should we do now? One of them remember from some book: when it is great emergency – the wise man leave the half and took only another half. So they caught his choti, cut away his hand – took the half and leave the half.

The moral of the story is: reading books is very important – but always have some common sense and wisdom. It’s must read stories.

Capacity to analyze any situation on the basis of memory is called intellect.

To consume one’s life in the frustration of not having brought into shape one’s dreams, cannot be termed as wisdom.

Majority of people do not understand until the end of their life, the purpose of their life and end up themselves while leading a purposeless life. Whoever his identified the purpose of his life and endeavored to accomplish it has been recognized by historians.

Those who are afraid of sorrow do not realize that the sorrow, which they fear today, would also be cause of their pleasures of tomorrow. Mansions of joy are built on the foundation of sorrow.

Those who could separate out immorality within morality and morality within immorality could advance in the direction of becoming sagacious. We should realize that whatever is described as either morality or immorality is but a set of social etiquettes formed on the basis of space and time.