Rasa siddhas, Nagas, gold, bhasma and the philosopher's stone

ALCHEMICAL HISTORY

I’ll tell you one very old story.

There was a sadhu living: he was able to make gold, alchemical gold. He could convert copper into gold.

Some followers – greedy people – they were after him; after years of serving he gave the formula to that person.

He made it, done all things successfully; but when he melted the copper and put that substance to it – nothing happened.

He again went to sadhu: sadhu said – give it to me. When sadhu put that melted copper – it happened.

Then he said: see, it is not in your destiny to be able to make gold. I will give you extra vision and you will see.

So with his power he gave him some extra vision and when that disciple or that follower was giving that substance to melted copper – a hand will come and take it away.

It’s a true story.

That’s how Shiva ganas or very high spirits keep gold. Otherwise the balance of the things will be lost.

NEVER ACCEPT DEFEAT!

This is friendly suggestion to the young generation:

I will say – accept the good council from experienced people;

accept good things in life, learn out of it; but never ever accept one thing:

never accept defeat for whatever you have set out to achieve.

Never accept defeat!

But accept good counselling, share the experience, accept good things from elderly people, from your parents, listen to them; accept and respect them.

Never accept defeat.

from what You start your alchemical experiments?

Guruji: I started with mercury.

what was the aim? What You wanted to achieve?

Guruji: nothing: that sadhu in Puri told me some formulas; we were discussing with some relatives – some of them were ayurvedic men; he said – it is impossible to make mercury solid; I said – I can do it; and they began to smile. I went to the market, bought certain things and within 2 hours shew them the result. I needed to confirm this also – that the formula is working. Then my interest started.

how they reacted?

Guruji: silence followed.

they didn’t shouted like “wooow”?

Guruji: you see, Indian men never shout “wow”. They go silent( smiling) of course they were asking how – after some time, but …( smiling)

is it possible to buy all the ingredients just from the market?

Guruji: yes, without purification I did that. You can do it without purification – but it’s not usable. That was the point to prove – and I proved that. Way back in 1984.

after You were successful in certification, what was the next step?

Guruji: then we went for purification - of course it was longer process. But there is no team exactly; in Gwalior there were so many friends and disciples: they were always doing something.

You have always worked with one formula?

Guruji: several.

but the purpose was to make it solid?

Guruji: to make it solid – it’s much easier, but to use it – that takes a very long time. If you know how to make it solid – it’s not too hard. But to use it as rasayana – that is another story. I learn how to make it solid first; then the dedicate things came much later.

from where You took another formulas?

Guruji: I have a lot of ayurvedic books; then my search started.

but You told that there is always some small mistakes in recipes – like with mantras also?

Guruji: of course, but when your understanding is much muchmore - you see things, you can read between lines.

so You used that principles which that sadhu gave You, with other formulas?

Guruji: yes, many times! Then I worked some on my own.

have You ever experimented with liquid gems?

Guruji: no, to get the ingredients for that is nearly impossible. I will give you one thing: wax from the buffalo’s ear – 250 gr: it will take you quite some time to collect it from the buffalo’s ear in needed quantity. It’s very time-taking thing.

why exactly from buffalo, even not from the cow?

Guruji: they all have different properties.

You remember some years back we discussed Padmasambhava, who made his body fire-resistant?

Guruji: I remember the formula, we know it. There is a certain herb – it’s a creeper: you should massage your body every day with the juice of that particular herb without taking a bath for one year; and then your body will become resistant to fire.

for what aim such things are done?

Guruji: to be safe from the fire – what else? For safety.

this not have a quality like rasayana?

Guruji: it will make your body fire-resistant life–long. But one year you will have to go without a bath and every day you’ll have to massage your body.

and the hair also?

Guruji: all, everywhere.

and what about cremation?

Guruji: it will not work.

but body will grow old?

Guruji: it will not stop ageing, only fire.

from where You know the formula?

Guruji: it is mentioned in some ayurvedic books.

somebody tried?

Guruji: I think otherwise it will be not even mentioned.

Everybody wants to be forever young, not to grow old – it is desired.

PART 4 |HISTORY

did Your Guru working with mercury?

Guruji: no.

and how You started that?

Guruji: I think my interest was more on instinct. In India mercury is discussed everywhere. It is not like a started to go and read books: when I became interested- then books became start my way. I bought so many of them and I’ve got so many different books. One of my uncles was the very famous ayurvedic doctor and he has a huge collection of ayurvedic books. He died; and after several years I went to see them. All of his books were just lying in a tin shade, openly, exposed to water. sons were not interested, they were trying to sale it as garbage. I said – let me help you, I take all of them. They say – please, please, take them away. So I took them away. It was many books: he might have 90% of the books which were available in Ayurveda. My cousins still don’t know, what they missed. That was my luck.

I think Your motive could pull the money for that experiments?

Guruji: let’s see. I ‘m for the right team together first. Alone you cannot do that.

Nagarjuna was great chemist: his life was taught when we were in the school. When the king ordered him beheaded – they were not able to cut his head with a sword. Then he become bold by this try – and then he said them to put something on the sword and only then his head was cut. That was the story of Nagarjuna. He was also great siddha – his name appears in 84 siddhas. He’s very much respected. Every alchemist gave some different touch to the processes. Same processes – but their methodology is a slightly bit different. You must read everything. There were two Nagarjunas: one was Buddhist monk, who writes more about philosophy. And very accomplished ayurvedic Nagarjuna – he is one of the 84 siddhas.

he describes this wonderful transformation, when the person dives into big cauldron?

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU: THE TRANSFORMATION OF GOLD (Introduction)

what do You think: that knowledge, which is available in Ayurveda manuals, could have some formulas for achieving a very long life span or even immortality?

Guruji: they are full of formulas — but who is studying Ayurveda? Western alchemy could be hardly 2% of the alchemy described in Ayurveda. All books are available: the main problem is how to make it: because the ingredients are almost impossible to collect — and then it’s a very long, time-taking process: at least 30 to 40 years.

so if a person sets the goal and starts to study Ayurveda — he could find it?

Guruji: everything is available.

I’ve heard that some very precious books were stolen by Britishers?

Guruji: no, that was declared illegal. But it must be there — somewhere in the old libraries. Like works of Nityanath; if they stole — then what happened to the British Empire?

but those amazing stories: first, when a sadhu came to You in Puri, then two Naga babas?

Guruji: they never shared the formulas: they demonstrated this — and I got a final luxury: that a person who can create gold — can be the richest man in the world — is living naked and carefree. That was the real message.

they must have gone through many experiments?

Guruji: undoubtedly! They’ve already done it; so they were just doing what their Guru told them to do.

and those formulas are not in any manuals?

Guruji: that triggered my interest: they were creating gold from tin! In all Ayurveda books, in all alchemical talks there is a description of converting tin into silver, not into gold. And those Naga babas were just converting tin into gold.

and very easily?

Guruji: no, it looked easy; but the substance which they were dropping — that was the main point! It was looking like a powder. They were very careful that nobody got a clear look. And also, you should not be rude to show it to a greedy person. I was just thankful that I was able to see that. There are things which are not even described in Ayurveda; but there are people who know that. Only extremely lucky people may discover that.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU: MEETING

I was sitting, looking at the sunset; it was near 5 o’clock or maybe 4:30: it was late afternoon. It was November: winter was beginning. It was a surprise to see Naga babas moving there. They went towards the wall of the engineering college — I just greeted them; and then after about 50 steps they came back. Then they talked: they gave me an address; that we are going to build a Hanuman temple there: you come there and we may need your help. I am sure — they were aware of me. Years before, I saw no single sadhu there; after that, I saw no single sadhu: Naga baba is the rarest of rare community there. We never see them in Gwalior, not a single Naga baba — but they were there. They gave me time and date, and I went there.

They were aware. They demonstrated to me that the final luxury is to leave everything.

when You came there, what did You see?

Guruji: they were just in a hut; they had specially requested the chief of the village — Pradhan; they said: we will do our japa, don’t disturb us: we are observing Hanuman Ji yagya — do not let anybody come inside: so they created this atmosphere before. Then I went there — we went inside; putting our shoes outside. They talked; then he said: we will do this and we will need your help to sell it. Next visit they did it: it was after two days.

so, You came next time; how was it?

Guruji: there was an iron wok on a stove — simple stove; there was some tin; they put it — and tin melting point is very low: it just became liquid — it is nearly 250 degrees; then he says: Swamiji, roti ke daal? Swamiji said: let’s have daal! — and it was gold. I understood immediately they were masters. Then they gave it to me: please, sell it — it is for Hanuman temple.

They made gold only two times; only for the construction of Hanuman temple and the murti. For feeding people they were creating silver: and silver also from tin. Gold was not so expensive then; it was about 2000–2500 rupees for 10 grams.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU: QUALITY OF GOLD

did You feel the smell of herbs or tobacco from the chillum?

Guruji: there was no smell of ganja or tobacco. Very different smell, hard to describe. Later we discovered: when you are pulling on a cigarette, the temperature rises up to 11000 Celsius: that was the easiest way to give fire treatment to that substance.

And the quality of the gold was the best of the best: bithur gold — which is more expensive than 24 karats. It is so soft that if you bite it — your teeth impression will be left on it. Silver also was 99%.

after that You didn’t see them?

Guruji: we became very friendly; and they told me — we will go now. After bhandara was done, temple was done, all pujas were done; we were like friends — but they remained so secret about so many things: they never told their names, they were calling each other “Swamiji”; and they told me not to reveal these things to people — because people may follow us and there may be other consequences. They built maybe 51 temples; or even 108.

And they were not affected by cold at all. They were not looking old also; slim but very fit; long hairs in jatas. One sling bag — that’s it.

When they came, I was recovering from samadhi. I had already started exercising and my mind was in a very different state. I had my first experience in October 1985; and they came in the middle of November. Maybe they were aware of this; even though they never discussed yoga.

they put some shape to this gold?

Guruji: I’m trying to teach the children! Take a brick: there is a cavity in it; they will just pour the substance from the wok into it: it will become a brick-like shape. So simple thing!

I brought money, gave it to them; they hired so many workers and all the materials — and temple started. All circumstances pointed to that: they were aware who I am.

Only that time I saw two Naga babas in Gwalior: never before, never after.

I was just sitting on some stone, seeing the sun setting; they crossed in front of me. Then they came back — and talked.

they started talking?

Guruji: yes, they said: we are just going to build the Hanuman temple: you come. I said — ok: so I went. You see, remaining unemployed gives you a different attitude.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU: GOLD AND SILVER

very strange situation: You come, they give You gold…

Guruji: not on the first — on the second visit.

what was on the first visit?

Guruji: just introduction: this temple, all around. The village chief was very respectful — and he had already created a hut for them.

they talked about gold on the first visit or on the second?

Guruji: no, on the second. And they created that gold on the third visit.

and what did they say: we will create gold?

Guruji: no, that was a different talk — not like that. It’s a different language. Next visit I gave them money; then they created some silver; then again money. They were creating silver for feeding the people. Gold was only for creating the temple. Silver — two times.

they were siddhas?

Guruji: undoubtedly! And no single grey hair anywhere. They were not fair, they were dark in colour — like highly tanned. Only Naga babas can recognize me (smiling).

and see the trust: if you give someone gold and ask to sell it — you will never see that man again!

Guruji: of course! They were smoking chillum — but that was not tobacco, no ganja. It was something different.

what was the colour of smoke?

Guruji: it was bluish.

after each meeting You felt that the power increased?

Guruji: I was in a very different type of mental state, but I began to feel better and better. The training became easy and I felt more physical power. Till then I had never lifted men overhead — only in college maybe, one or two lightweights. In 1985 and 1990 I was lifting everyone overhead.

can we say that at first the body of yogi must be treated by mica, then by gold…?

Guruji: yes, chitrikaran; first you create like you cultivate a farm before – soiling the seed; you need to prepare your kshetra – then all science will work. Chitra – create a field, so the seed can be put. It is called chitrikaran.

in what stage of pranayama or Samadhi the body of the yogi became golden body?

Guruji: actually they give a simile – because gold is a noble metal and it is not corruptible, imperishable. So the body of the immortal yogi will become like gold. It will not be corrupted, it will remain like this forever. It was just the example and they translate it like that will become of gold. If there are so many records of these things I’m sure that such things are available and some great men are also there, who has gone through this experience.

Maybe Babaji gives this technic every 1000 years or 2000 years – because there is a vacancy or 2 vacancies open in his group. If you will be successful in yoga – you will be invited to join.

from where You’ve got your knowledge about work on mercury – from books?

MYSTICAL STORY 3

Guruji: no. I was in Puri- I was going to the beach and sit there; and from somewhere sadhu came. He was wearing something like sac – he was just sitting there, very dirty; I was also sitting there – then he begin to come near me day by day. I didn’t notice – then he begin to talk. He talked very interesting things about mercury and he made me write some of the formulas – I don’t know why he was so compassionate. I wrote them down. One of the formulas was to done mercury solid. I was not even interested in that. One day he didn’t come – but these things remained with me.

Then I came back home, went to my Guru, I was initiated. Then one of my aunts died – there was so many ayurvedic men in our relation - they were all gathered there. I’ve noticed – wherever ayurvedic men sit, the topic of mercury will come always. I was supposed to be young man, knowing nothing; they were discussing mercury and I just said – oh, I can make it solid. They all laughed in very sarcastic manner.

I took it up as a challenge and then I thought – the formula maybe work or maybe not work, so I went to the market and found the ingredient luckily, came back, and without even purifying the mercury I tried it and it was done. Then I showed it to them next day – and absolutely silence followed. That’s how it begin.

Then I realized how it is important thing: I mean such old people, practicing Ayurveda for 30-40-50 years saw it for the first time. I thought – it was a blessing from sadhu told me so many things. Then I begin to read on that. I think some sadhus and yogis - they know many-many things then ayurvedic doctors, who are just practicing medicines for running the kitchen. Sometimes I think that I’m blessed or I’m lucky in many ways. Even to find a genuine sadhu is extraordinary.

SECRET LANGUAGE OF ALCHEMISTS

is there any connection between Jupiter and alchemy?

Guruji: Jupiter is the name for mercury also. They address mercury in many ways: one of the name is Guru – who actually takes on everything inside. It is the main property of mercury – it takes everything inside. Sometimes symbolically they call it Guru. Like in Yoga Sutras: Ishwar is a Guru of all. And mercury is the semen of Shiva. They always use the mystic language – so uninitiated will not understand. There is a word in many Ayurvedic things: if you translate it like an idiot – it will be the juice of a virgin. But it’s aloe vera. Also like narsar.

If immortal person will not see dying – how he will realize he is immortal?

HISTORY OF MERCURY

This is from siddhas, from Dattatreya begin: in ancient books like Charaka Samhita mercury is not mentioned. But in the later, when Siddha naths came, which I think Dattatreya started – so many fantastic formulas. Even they are giving how to color your hairs, different formulas for coloring your hairs( laughing). I’ve tried on some dedushkas and it was 50/50 successful.

what happen?

Guruji: the hair changed color but they were standing upright. Something went wrong(laughing).

in Atharvaveda there is no mentioning of mercury?

Guruji: no, only herbs. Dattatreya introduced that. Metallurgy was introduced by Dattatreya. He is very much respected in Nath cult. Maybe this knowledge came from him via Adinath and Matsyendranath. It must be a hidden secret in all the Naths great yogis.

that mercury from the story was not even prepared?

Guruji: it comes up itself from the Earth – few drops in thousand years. Who will wait that long?

and he must be prepared like a yogi?

Guruji: he already achieved the long life, it was after vajra kaya. Not everybody can tolerate that mercury.

ESSENCE OF INDIAN ALCHEMY.

Well we were discussing Alchemy, and I’ve studied the Aurveda thoroughly, maybe, every

book available under the sun on Ayurveda I’ve have in my collection, and I’ve studied them.

The level of Alchemy which Ayurveda described

I’ve never seen anyone even near that…

And I’ve studied different systems of Alchemy from all over the world From Chinese to Europeans to western, all…

They maybe less then two percent of what Ayurveda is described.

I will give you the essence of Alchemy in only one

sentence.

In Hindi they say:

Jo range māyā,

so range kāyā

That means the mercury prepared to that level If it is able to convert base metal into gold, then it is qualified to convert a normal body into extraordinary supernormal body which will live for hundreds or thousands of years.

That is the essence of Indian Alchemy.

You also do research.

And think on that!

back to discussion on rasasiddhas: they also must attain the awakening of kundalini?

Guruji: they attained the very long life by using rasayanas. They may live for 1000 years, 10000 years or even hundreds thousands years – it will take them enough time for practice yoga successfully.

GOLD AND BHASMA

I keep telling everybody: in the beginning gold and silver was the main money. Then it begin to disappear and we were given the pieces of paper: they said – this is money. Now even the pieces of paper are disappearing – only some numbers in your mobile or something – now they are money. I think some day somebody will press a button – and all the money will disappear. Then what will happen? Whatever you will have on your person – that will help you. Be careful!

it exists the personification of gold or god of gold?

Guruji: these are part of the Mother Earth; we also have a certain amount of gold in our system. Maybe if you have gold – that system will be enhanced. It remain without corruption, it’s noble metal, maybe indicator of immortality: you cannot destroy gold. Probably that’s why we’re attracted to it. Slowly it disappearing from financial system – even paper money are disappearing. Some number on account or something. One day somebody will press – and everything will disappear. Gold is suitable for everybody – you can even make some relatives jealous, if you have more than them.

From iron in our body – scientists are saying, ten inch nail can be created. It’s enough in our system.

is it true that gold – if you’ll have it too much – will heat your system?

Guruji: it could. And it will pump your ego as well. Silver will cool down the system.

to use gold in ayurvedic medicines requires very strict discipline?

Guruji: yes, it’s true. Diamond ashes and gold ashes can create the very bad effect – if not taken properly. They are very potent things and requires very strict discipline.

but if you use them properly – benefits are great?

Guruji: it’s very rare to see the real benefit; most of the people I’ve heard – they are all suffering in them. Something always go wrong.

same thing with silver?

Guruji: silver more are used like a carrier for different medicines. Any medicine, any herb is capable of creating problems – at the same time capable of doing good. It will depend on the discipline which is attached with that.

so you cannot just go to the pharmacy?

Guruji: this is not advisable.

could person feel good or bad with gems?

Guruji: yes, sensitive person will always feel it.

what problems can come if you use bhasma without discipline?

Guruji: actually deciding the dose is the main problem. And the dose is very-very minutest. Slightly more than that – and the body will not tolerate. Dangerous consequences will follow. It’s not recommended thing. If you will just eat one diamond – you will be dead in no time. They are very powerful medicines and you have to be very careful when you take them.

so that part of Ayurveda, which is using bhasmas of metals and gems is very dangerous thing?

Guruji: no, it is for masters, those, who’re adept in Ayurveda. They can do it very carefully and successfully. Not just by reading a book – that’s what I’m trying to say.

now the real bhasmas where can be find? In clinics?

Guruji: some big pharmacies are making them. And only vip’s can afford them. Gold bhasma is 4-5 times more expensive, than gold. Same with diamond or other gems.

what is the general effect of bhasmas?

Guruji: gold and diamond bhasmas are considered as rasayanas.

ALCHEMY. TO BE WORTHY

You told once that there is always the involvement of Shiva Ji’s ganas in the process of making mercury?

Guruji: yes

so they are like observers or controllers?

Guruji: they are sort of guardians of divine herbs and the whole process. If Shiva is not supporting you - nothing will be successful.

you will simply not find that herb?

Guruji: even if you will find – something will go wrong. I’ll tell you one very old story. There was a sadhu living: he was able to make gold, alchemical gold. He could convert copper into gold. Some followers – greedy people – they were after him; after years of serving he gave the formula to that person. He made it, done all things successfully; but when he melted the copper and put that substance to it – nothing happened. He again went to sadhu: sadhu said – give it to me. When sadhu put that melted copper – it happened. Then he said: see, it is not in your destiny to be able to make gold. I will give you extra vision and you will see. So with his power he gave him some extra vision and when that disciple or that follower was giving that substance to melted copper – a hand will come and take it away. It’s a true story. That’s how Shiva ganas or very high spirits keep gold. Otherwise the balance of the things will be lost.

it explains a lot – because so many people are interested…

Guruji: simply remaining interested is not enough; you need to deserve it also. But interest will give you lot of knowledge – and it will help you pass the time also.

only now I understand why so many failed

Guruji: yes, they were not deserving that.

If you will never become interested in these things – you will never come across such experiences. It’s a fascinating subject! Many people all over India are dreaming about creating gold or finding buried treasures.

so far we heard from You that only sadhus are capable to make gold?

Guruji: not only sadhus. In Benares, inside the Benares University campus there is a Shiva temple also. There are many stone plaques where certain things are written. I think on the first floor – if I remember correctly – there is a marble plaque and there is written that one ayurvedic Vaidya from Benares – his name is given – created 40 kilograms of gold out of copper in front of Mahatma Gandhi and Madan Mohan Malaviya and donated it for their purposes. This name is there.

amazing how he survived after – if the people know that he knew the secret?

Guruji: maybe he did it secretly. And in those days things were different.

the mental level of people who deserve to know these secrets – they don’t want this gold for themselves?

Guruji: rarely. Always for a good purpose – those two sadhus: they were making it for creating 108 temples of Hanuman Ji. And they were living naked. They could be the richest in the world – but what for?

And they were making it from tin: this thing I’ve never read in any ayurvedic book. Silver is mentioned, but to make gold out of tin… I’ve studied so much in this thing – but never come across any formula. And it was easy: you melt it on a stove -you don’t even need a furnace to make copper or something.

what do You think: they made the next step and create the solid mercury?

Guruji: they may have already done it.

as I understand all metal bhasmas were created like rasayanas; but what is the difference between using for example the silver bhasma or mercury bhasma?

Guruji: silver bhasma will never used for kaya kalpa. It maybe the carrier of power of the other medicines. Mercury thing is absolutely different; even iron bhasma is considered as big rasayana. In some formulas it is written that you can live up to the 1000 years with the use of iron.

what about gold bhasma? It is also considered very powerful?

Guruji: it is powerful and it is like a cure for geriatric condition – old age. But I’ve never seen anyone becoming younger with the use of gold bhasma. But it is written. That means it has to be made in a certain way - then it may work.

so mostly it is done with some mistakes?

Guruji: or the hand came and take it away.

so not all the metal bhasmas are rasayanas?

Guruji: gold, iron, copper also – it must be in some book here – you create a special bhasma of copper; and you take one dose. And for 11 years – no disease will touch you. But I’ve never heard anyone making it. But formula is there. It’s a good idea to remain aware of these things. You never know what will cross your path.

IMMORTALS AND EMOTIONS

Yesterday we spoke about the Philosopher’s stone, and you gave a unique description that Guru is a philosopher’s stone. The uniqueness is that if he touches the disciple, with whatever properties, he may also become a philosopher’s stone.

G: In India Philosopher’s stone is called Paras pathar; supposedly the equivalent of the Western Philosopher’s stone, it is, however, believed to be occasionally found in its natural state. Some historic records spoke of accidental encounters with such elements. At the end of 18th century, when the army of maharaja of Scindia was crossing river Morar near Gwalior, the iron chains on the cannon turned into gold ones. Something in that river’s bedrock, or in the sweat of the horses, or a combination of many unknowns, triggered the transformation of the metal naturally – and changed its properties within 40 minutes it took the army to reach another bank… This case was famous, and the chain itself was displayed for a long time – until the gold disappeared in the whirlpool of history, which took the form of the pockets of the heirs…

In Alchemy, in Ayurveda they also give some formulas that you can create Paraspathar or Philosopher’s stone with mercury after you have gone through the 18 processes of it and it is absolutely perfect then it also has this property.

You said something known by every Indian but that might not be known to Westerners: it is well known in India, that eternal life is needed only for Tapasya.

G: There is no other motive to live that long or to create this alchemical work for. How much luxury can you have? If you have one million tons of gold at your disposal, what are you going to do with it? Until - unless you share it with everybody, how much can you enjoy it? There is a limit to it.

Are people so well educated to know it? …

G: They are aware. This is so woven into the grassroots level folklore that almost everybody knows about it. Almost every villager knows about it. They have heard it from somewhere, from sadhus talking, from a father or grandfather – so most of them are aware.

And yet, watching western movies we see the promoted idea to go into eternity, the desire to have a continuous life of consciousness. This concept is very much alive. Why do you think it is?

G: It has actually been discussed, here in India: after you have realized yourself, after you have seen the creator face to face, there is one more thing to cognise. Until - unless you know the creator’s signature, let’s say, the nature of Ishwar, thoroughly, you will never be on intimate terms with Him or Her. Eternal life is needed so that you can actually study the creation of Ishwar. Only by knowing the creation may you have some idea of His true nature. That’s why Rishis live so long: only for this purpose.

So initially one has to dedicate himself to this eternal schooling, say “I have enough curiosity to travel”

G: That’s the point. Until - unless you have the wonderment of a child, you will never have this desire.

Can you clarify forms of immortality? Are there many forms of eternal life?

G: Usually there are only 2 forms. One has an extraordinarily long life, but still such a person can die if someone kills him. Real, true immortality is when one simply cannot die. Non-perishable, such a person can keep on living forever. Only these two types of immortality exist.

ALCHEMY

what can You say of gem bhasmas – from diamond or ruby for example?

Guruji: they work. And the bhasma from diamond is considered very potent. They also have rasayanas effect. But to decide it’s dose is a real wisdom. A little bit more – and you’re gone. It’s much more dangerous than from metals.

which stone is considered as vaikranta?

Guruji: it could be tourmaline. But better to check the meaning and description.

Good story needs good telling. If story is not good – it’s not worth telling.

is it true that if you’re cooking some ingredients for alchemical purposes or even for medicines in copper vessel – and this vessel cracked, it is considered as very auspicious?

Guruji: I will agree with that.

why so? If you broke the vessel – all will be lost?

Guruji: no. it carries some power of the substance. It’s an indication for your success in a process.

the philosophical stone, which is described in western alchemy…?

Guruji: in India we believed it could be found naturally, lucky can find it.

what is it?

Guruji: I will tell you the very genuine story. When kingdom of Gwalior were established by Scindias – Maharaj Scindia was the grand-grand father of current kings. There is a river called Suvarnarekha – nowadays it’s just a small drain. Their army was crossing it. Some elephants were in big chains – and of the chains became gold. It’s real story. They search very thoroughly whole river for a month – but find nothing. And the chain – it was about 60 kgs – all became gold by crossing the river. We believe that paras pathar could be found naturally. And it happen in Gwalior and it’s true. If you will keep the philosopher stone on the person in the mouth – it will transform your body also. But most of the people are concentrating on achieving that. But the real luxury is the very long healthy life. We have enough space – but not enough people and not enough money. We can create a laboratory and keep it in secret. Some free-mind people are working in many Ayurvedic things – we can call them and create the right laboratory with the right fire and all these things. But almost in every book they are saying: more successfully you have done it and consume it – you will achieve the lifetime up to 10000 years; then you break everything, destroy everything and leave that area forever.

RASASIDDHA, YOGASIDDHA, IMMORTALITY

is it true that Ganges in Benares forming the circle?

Guruji: no, it’s a fairy-tale; but Ganges in Benares flowing in the reverse order – from south to north, instead of coming from north to south. It makes a loop there. in “Alchemical body” it could be mistranslation –they are saying that body absorbing mercury, sulfur and all these rasayanas and somehow attains the life of 10000 years or nearly immortality – then it is called rasayanas. Siddha kaya is the actual name.

is it different discipline from kaya kalpa?

Guruji: it is part of it. Successful kaya kalpa will make your body siddha’s – you will get siddha kaya. There are so many references in Ayurveda – even today it maybe possible. And khechari is the first qualification for trying to do things with mercury.

… there are references about two nagas: one was Naga siddha – he was the master of rasayana and another was the Buddhist philosopher. Many people confused that it was one person – but they were different people.

that Nagarjuna, who was Naga siddha – really live for 600 years?

Guruji: I’m sure about it. Those were the days when many alchemists and siddhas were roaming around the world – magical time! He went to China to avoid unnecessary disturbances, because when you’re experimenting in alchemical things you need very peaceful thing, focused mind and concentration- unnecessary irritation will simply create disturbances. You have to avoid them. And I think – there are some mystery in China also: he was in touch with the siddhas from China also. Rishi Vasishtha went to China to learn about Shakti worshipping. In Rudra Yamala it is clearly written, that Devi herself told him without appearing: go to China, there are some of my greatest devotees there, they live like normal life – householder life, live with the wife and everything – but they see me every day. From vedic point of view it was never seen. Then rishi Vashishtha go to China, but to whom he went – that remains a mystery. They were talking about tao that times, that tao is the way – the way to achieve nirvana, the way to achieve immortality, like the rivers try to find the way.

so it was much before Buddhism came to China?

Guruji: much before. If we go by our puranas – Buddha was the incarnation of Vishnu, who incarnated to create confusion and he did it successfully.

GREED IS THE GREAT INSPIRATION

is it possible to become Shivagana only by using the certain type of mercury?

Guruji: I will agree on that because the mercury is the seed of Shiva and sulfur is supposed to be the seed of Shakti. If you use them wisely – anything is possible.

it could be done only by alchemy?

Guruji: you cannot achieve alchemical things without tapas. They compliment each other. I’ve seen many ayurvedic doctors, very accomplished ones – but because of they have absolute zero knowledge in yoga – most of their efforts failed. Otherwise you will have extreme success in that – especially with mercury and sulfur.

is it true that when practitioners’ body becomes like Shiva’s body – all his body secretions could transform everything?

Guruji: yes, it is described that you can even piss and the stone will turn into gold. I believe it – because the body already have digested different types of mercury and different types of poisons.

but for what it is done?

Guruji: to create some devotion in people, to inspire them – otherwise such beings are no need to do that. Greed is the greatest inspiration for many people.

They will think – how it can be that just because of piss the stone become gold – and that thought make them to do great tapas – and after that they will become different type of people.

Greed is the great inspiration you can have. It is the most positive use of greed.