Govardhan, practice and everyday life

Govardhan is very different.

No big gurus here; only Govardhan Hill is here, and the devotees of Govardhan will come.

There is very high energy here.

For me this is the best place in creation. Nowhere else will you find such a place.

She can come, but be careful of cobras, pythons, hyenas and antelopes. I had an antelope here for three or four years. My workers rescued him from a hunter [wording unclear], very small. He lived with us for four years. Fully grown, he would come inside and demand toast or something; only then he would go out. We had many photographs. Then he began to attack outside people. The forest department came and took him away.

Show her my photographs. [Replies unclear.] He was a full-grown male. You will never see a guru standing with an [antelope?]. [Further exchange unclear.] We rescued him.

Yes, only some monkeys. On my plantation we have a huge plantation; we planted [number unclear] trees. Out of that [number unclear] berry trees are only for [monkeys?]. It is like a jungle now. [Closing exchange unclear.]

If you do not want to attract criminals’ attention, use white. If you want to attract criminals’ attention, use gold. [Response unclear.]

It is a good idea.

Psychologically, if you know more than one language, your mind works better and faster. We are all for developing your mind, so it will help.

Granthi also means a riddle, a mystery.

That is the riddle of the brain and the heart and [unclear], and also of the mūlādhāra. These are very great mysteries.

They are there. We need to understand them, unravel them, discover what is hiding there. Only then some wisdom will come your way.

Then there would be no fun in the game. Even vāsanās are good. They provide entertainment for gods and human beings also.

We are not monks. I have said nothing against vāsanās. But too much of anything is [unclear]. That is it.

If you have no vāsanā, even then you are not immortal; your prāṇa [unclear].

It depends on your previous karma, what type of genetics, DNA and body you will [have?]. Naturally it differs from person to person. I think [first name unclear] Orwell wrote in Animal Farm: all pigs are equal, but some are more equal than others. That is the truth.

It is a very big achievement to understand the true nature of a granthi, to untie the mystery, understand it and find the truth hidden inside. It is a great achievement.

Untie means unravel. When you begin to see the mystery, that is unraveling, untying. It is a figure of speech, but people took it literally. It is not literal.

When [unclear] go to the West and start teaching, then in their translation so many [unclear].

It is a granthi; it is not a granthi, it is a master gland in a way. [Phrase unclear] 98% is sleeping. You need to wake up the giant. All those granthis and mysteries are a process to wake up the giant. You need to prepare many things before waking him. If he has slept so long, after waking he will demand food. What will you supply? You need to prepare everything.

Only when you learn the mysteries of the different granthis will you realise.

Two percent is enough if you use 100% of that two percent. No, we use only two percent of that two percent. First learn to use 100% of that two percent, and you will start to see beyond. I think besides me no one is talking like that. Who will? Only one who has achieved the mystery, who understood. Understanding itself is a big achievement.

I am a simple man, practicing yoga for 44 years. I have done nothing else: no job, no business.

Out of those 44 years, for the last 33 years I have lived in a cremation [ground?], without going out, which you may have noticed for some time.

Are we not prisoners of our own limitations, misconceptions and idiotic ideas? We are prisoners of them. It is even worse. There is only one plus point I find in being a prisoner: food and medical treatment are free.

No, you must follow prison rules; they will not let you practice. [Short replies unclear.] You cannot do yoga there, but you can work out. Here they even removed [exercise equipment?], because they were fighting and killing each other with it.

Maybe, but it is very difficult [ending unclear].

I found out when I was 22 years old what I would do, and I have done nothing else.

It is my privilege to share what I have discovered and experienced.

Of what?

I am not a school teacher. Every person is a unique personality. No one was like you before in creation, and no one will come like you after you. Everybody carries something special, an essence from the Creator. When different people come and talk, I also learn in the process. I have been asked thousands of questions, so my ability to answer has also developed. It is okay. I become bored when people ask idiotic things just out of curiosity. Sometimes it is entertaining, but not that entertaining.

I am always with myself.

I am always with myself.

You see my daily [routine?]. I come down after three, and until 11:30 I am available. Then from 11:30 to the next three o’clock I am alone. How much time do you need? In between my dogs come to rescue me, so I am with my dogs for [duration unclear]. They make me feel good.

I was not searching for joy, but I discovered wisdom is the real entertainment [ending unclear].

You can have lunch here; it is free, and chai also. My mother used to laugh that everybody comes for a free cup of chai, so I added free lunch also.

In summertime it is a big relief for anyone.

That is what they write in palmistry and astrology also.

Muslims do it like this or like this. [Overlap unclear.] Showing this finger is highly insulting. Like this, it would be a highly insulting gesture from me to you. Doing this is not recommended. This finger is usually used [gesture unclear]. Muslims do it like this or with this.

You will agree it is an impact of Hinduism. Christians use a rosary, Muslims use a rosary. We were the first to use it. Hindus have done it for thousands of years. [Fragment unclear.] Why did Christianity take it from us? Why do fathers and different people count beads? Why do Muslims count beads, what for?

In India some magic uses this finger. They do magic, point it, and he will remove his clothes and start dancing. It is just to be safe. If somebody points it, they say, “No, do not do it.” [Humorous context; gesture unclear.]

[Phrase unclear] the finger of God. Even Michelangelo did it like this, this finger.

How many fingers do you have? Everybody says five. But we have four fingers and one thumb. Everybody says five.

In India, so many things.

They say this is the mount of Venus. A diamond is to give more power to Venus, so they put the ring on the thumb. You will see many varieties. [Short exchange unclear.]

We started our discussion with granthis, and now we have reached the thumb level. Now what?

[आरम्भ अस्पष्ट] लेख निकलते हैं कि इससे [फेफड़े?] मजबूत होते हैं… bacteria खत्म होते हैं… [आगे अस्पष्ट; स्वास्थ्य का दावा सत्यापित नहीं।]

दक्षिणावर्ती शंख कोई बजाता नहीं है… [अस्पष्ट] बजाओगे, नोक तोड़नी पड़ती है… [अस्पष्ट] बाकी को तो [ढपोर शंख?] बोला जाता है।

हिन्दुओं में यही समस्या है… कल व्रत करना… उसमें यह ज़रूर पूछेंगे कि व्रत में क्या खा सकते हैं। अरे [भूखे?] रह लो एक दिन।

[शंख बजाने और परिवारों के विषय में खंडित कथन; विवरण सत्यापित नहीं।] पहले यहाँ शंख बजाते थे… कूड़े के ढेर लगे रहते थे… फिर [नाम अस्पष्ट] सींग दिया, हम सींग बजाने लगे… सफ़ाई हो गई… वही staff… [शेष अस्पष्ट।]

[अस्पष्ट] बोगनवेलिया… उसके पर चढ़कर… [अस्पष्ट] मैं तो romantic दिमाग… पेड़ को अकेलापन feel नहीं होना चाहिए… [गीत का उल्लेख, शब्द अस्पष्ट।] अमरलता मिलेगी नहीं… तो बोगनवेलिया चढ़ाओ…

यहाँ तो सफ़ाई करने में बड़े युद्ध करने पड़े… मैंने सैकड़ों रातरानी, सैकड़ों चमेलियाँ भी लगा रखी हैं… [शेष अस्पष्ट।]

वो तो मैं सही सलाह देता… अगर आप ठीक-ठाक हैं तो आपसे जो मिलने आ रहा है, आप उसे सही सलाह दें। [अस्पष्ट] भ्रम में डालने से क्या मतलब है?

राजेश खन्ना से मैंने एक ही dialogue सीखा है… [उद्धरण और आगे की टिप्पणी अस्पष्ट।]

It happens with every mahāmudrā three times; the brain is going down [technical wording uncertain].

That is the beauty of yoga. Nobody understands. I think I have already explained it. I have commented on what no one has commented on before.

Unless you train your brain to experience death again and again, how can you hope to go beyond death? [Discussion of yogic experience, not medical instruction.]

Where no logic applies, yoga logic comes.

Forget about that. While doing everything, if delta waves were there, it is an indication of constant samādhi. But this is a technical result, so do not connect [ending unclear].

When you are fully awake and point-seven delta waves are seen in your brain. Waves, mental waves, delta waves. But do not go too technical. No technical, no philosophy. No need. [Numbers and units unverified.]

Now we have those terms. Before, yogis indicated it in a different language. [Brief question.] It was part of their self-realisation. They had to use terms of their time. Now you have medical terms; who understands them? Leave it.

Tell me what a normal person will understand by listening to it. Nothing. Let us leave it.

I think the person who understands nothing is called a normal person. But they believe they are the very image of God. That is normal for them.

Again I will indicate [unclear]: what do we understand by this word “consciousness”? First think on it.

Nothing, yes. What will we experience? Nothing.

If you practice, hard-core practice, you can hope to go beyond limitations. Everybody loves their limitations. So let us [leave/read?] it.

That is the point. How will you understand that? It was a reading on EEG. How can anyone understand? Even scientists and big doctors are not understanding it.

I just walked one kilometre, climbed 34 steps and came down 34 steps. Do you think it is good for my cardiovascular conditioning? [Response unclear.] I climb 100-plus steps every day and come down. Good?

क्रिया कर रहा है… वह कोई पदवी नहीं है… [अस्पष्ट]।

क्रियावान माने जो क्रिया जिसको मिल गई है, जो कर रहा है।

पितरों के लिए बड़े गर्व की बात होती है कि उनका कोई वंशज योग साधना कर रहा है। अभी तक तो मैंने यह देखा है… वो लोग इसके महत्व को ज्यादा पहचानते हैं, ऊपर जाने के लिए। नीचे तो आदमी… [अस्पष्ट]… confusion बहुत है नीचे।

मैं एक कहानी सुनाता हूँ। तीन औरतें गाँव में पानी भर रही हैं। एक बोली, मेरा लड़का अमेरिका में बहुत बड़ा आदमी है, बड़े पैसे कमाता है। दूसरी बोली, मेरा लड़का इंग्लैंड में बहुत बड़ा आदमी है, बड़े पैसे कमाता है। तीसरी का लड़का आया, उसने उसके हाथ से कलसा लिया… [उठाकर ले जाने का शेष अस्पष्ट]… तो तीसरी माँ की तरह पुरुष खुश होता है… point समझ रहे हैं? [तुलना का एक शब्द अस्पष्ट।]

कुलदेवी का… ऊपर जाकर पता पड़ता है कि यही सँभालते हैं, पितर और कुलदेवता और कुलगुरु… सही परम्परा वाला आदमी गुरु है तो उसकी मदद पूरी मिलेगी… [स्वयंभू गुरु के विषय में टिप्पणी अस्पष्ट]… मैंने [बाबाजी?] की कृपा से इतना देखा… अब चुप ही रहता हूँ। जिसको जो करना है करता है, मैं रोकता नहीं। गृहदेवता, स्थानदेवता, कुलदेवता सब रहते हैं।

प्रणाम करो, रोज़ याद करके… और क्या चाहिए? बड़ों को सम्मान ही तो चाहिए। [स्तोत्र पढ़ने का प्रसंग] उसकी ज़रूरत नहीं है… किसी और का रचा हुआ क्यों पढ़ो? अपना ही करो कुछ।

चिड़ियों के लिए पानी रख दिया… [अस्पष्ट] गाय, पक्षी… सब पानी पीते हैं… हवा-पानी पर सब का… [अस्पष्ट] कौवों के माध्यम से आत्माएँ लेती हैं… रोटी डालनी चाहिए… अपने यहाँ तो खूब हैं कौवे। [परम्परागत कथन; शब्द / बोलने वाला सत्यापित नहीं।]

शरीर का ही अन्तिम संस्कार होता है… बलराम का, भगवान कृष्ण का अर्जुन ने संस्कार किया… [महारानियों / संख्या / नाम सम्बन्धी शेष कथन अस्पष्ट।]

गर्गसंहिता वगैरह… और कुछ किताबों में बिखरा हुआ है… [शेष अस्पष्ट।]

अर्जुन ने किया… [व्यास, नारद और अन्य ऋषियों का शेष उल्लेख अस्पष्ट]… आपत्तिकाल में कोई भी करता है… ज़रूरी थोड़ी है कि रिश्ता ही निकले।

[रानियों के लूटे जाने और अर्जुन पर आलोचनात्मक प्रश्न; कुछ शब्द अस्पष्ट] सारी रानियों को लुटने दिया, खुद ज़िन्दा लौटे… इतने बड़े वीर योद्धा थे… क्या जानबूझकर लुटने दिया? चिन्तनीय बात है; इस पर कोई बात नहीं करते। बाद में उद्धवजी ने सबका उद्धार किया, यहाँ लेकर… [शेष अस्पष्ट; पाठ / कथा का सन्दर्भ सत्यापित नहीं।]

वो अवतार थे… शरीर छोड़ दिया, काम पूरा हो गया था… [अस्पष्ट]।

कृष्ण का श्मशान है यह… उनकी महारानियों का… [संख्या / पूरा कथन अस्पष्ट]… श्मशान का बन्दोबस्त… [अश्वत्थामा?] का वंशज… भगवान ने यहाँ बिठाया… भक्त क्या करते हैं? “प्रभु रक्षा करो” और कीर्तन शुरू कर देंगे… [शेष अस्पष्ट; आत्मकथात्मक / धार्मिक दावे सत्यापित नहीं।]

[पहला हिस्सा अस्पष्ट] कुछ करने की… कुत्ता तक पालते नहीं… [शेष अस्पष्ट।]

युधिष्ठिर ने लाखों गलतियाँ कीं, पर एक बात से मैं प्रभावित हूँ उनसे। महाप्रस्थान में गये तो कुत्ता साथ में गया। सारे भाई मर गये, द्रौपदी मर गयी, कुत्ता चलता चला गया। फिर इन्द्र ऊपर से विमान लेकर आये, “चलो, पर कुत्ता नहीं जायेगा साथ।” उन्होंने कहा, “ये मेरे साथ इतनी दूर से चलकर आया है, इसको मैं नहीं छोड़ सकता; मैं भी नहीं जाऊँगा।” युधिष्ठिर की बस यही बात… बहुत सराहनीय बात है। फिर मालूम पड़ा कि यमराज उनकी परीक्षा ले रहे थे… [अन्तिम टिप्पणी अस्पष्ट।]

इतना discussion record हो गया… फिर कोई आयेगा, कोई नया point लेकर तो बातचीत होगी… [शेष अस्पष्ट।]

उस समय कोई भी irritation बर्दाश्त नहीं होता… बड़ी तरह उसको suppress करते थे… [अस्पष्ट]… कभी-कभी blast भी होता था… [बाकी अस्पष्ट; आत्मकथात्मक कथन।]